OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10

[Pensfan]

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The demons ... other then that I havent seen any evidence of schizophrenia ,or paranoira.

It isnt paranoira if someone really out to get you.. and it does appear someone got them. past drug issues ,no mention of anyone having evidence of current drug issues I have seen. Starr installed the camera (so that is her paranoira not theirs)

I might be overlooking some issues or signs of the condition you describe because it is not my feild so could you explain, being specific about Bobby's symptoms and how they displayed themself in what we do know their actions were that day? It might help us consider expanded possibilites.

About a year ago?, I read an article from a local paper that described the very bizarre behavior of Bobbie Jamison. I can find it at this time, but I don’t have a subscription, so I can’t read all of this old article now.
http://newsok.com/article/3458229#ixzz0pfSEHFGG
From this article, Bobby was exhibiting very bizarre behavior including moving his family into some type of storage box near his home and spray painting “warnings” to demons on his new home, the storage box. He lost weight and was asking preachers about methods to kill the demons (he was hallucinating that the demons were attacking or going to hurt him).

Paranoid schizophrenics are usually NOT violent. When drugs/alcohol are added to the equation though, their tendency to become violent dramatically increases.

Some have suggested that perhaps he had an opioid addiction r/t his chronic back pain/surgery and perhaps his bizarre behavior was related to this, but opioid addiction do not usually present themselves like paranoid schizophrenia. Many people with chronic pain drink heavily, but alcohol addiction doesn’t present itself with schizophrenic symptoms either. Long- term, heavy drinkers can have alcoholic encephalopathy (Wernecke- Korsakoff Psychosis) and experience bizarre symptoms (confusion/memory loss), but not usually hallucinations.

Many schizophrenics do have a duel diagnosis (a mental health problem and a substance abuse problem).
http://helpguide.org/mental/schizophrenia_symptom.htm

 

[Pensfan]

Here is an portion of the article where the demons were discussed:

Demons and spirits
Gary Brandon, a Eufaula pastor, told investigators the Jamisons were engaged in spiritual warfare. He said Bobby Jamison told him he often saw "two to four spirits on the roof” of their lakeside Eufaula home.
Once, Bobby Jamison called Brandon to inquire whether there were "special bullets” he could use to shoot the spirits, the minister told investigators. He told the pastor he was reading the "satanic bible” for a natural remedy.

Investigative notes show Sherilyn Jamison told Brandon there were "three to four spirits” in the house, including children named Michael and Emily, and that Madyson often talked to Emily’s sister — a spirit that had wings. Sherilyn Jamison wasn’t afraid, though. She believed she had the gift to cast out demons.

Graffiti on a massive storage container outside their home also prompted questions. One message reads: "3 cats killed to date buy people in this area … Witches don’t like there black cat killed.”

http://newsok.com/familys-fate-remains-mystery/article/3458228

This article also stated that Bobbie's wife had been diagnosed as bipolar at one time. Wasn't it her gun that was missing? Individuals with bipolar disorder have a very high suicide rate of 15-20%.

 

[Simply Caustic]

bumping for the Jamisons....

 

[Soulmagent]

Signs demons are following you.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_signs_of_demons_following_you

Demons and possesions.
http://www.bible.ca/su-demons.htm

What are demons and how to deal with them.
http://www.yutopian.com/religion/theology/Demons.html

The reading of these links has been interesting keeping the many questions of this case in mind when comparing demon posessions.
It would actualy make this case make more sence. Things such as how did Bobby get rocks in back of his truck and why was the roomate ever allowed in the home in the first place would be explained away . Everything would just fit neat and tidy under the demon did it. Still wouldnt explain why the demon would want rocks in the back of the truck. Or where the the demon took there bodies after he/they moved into them.

So does anyone know where we can contact the nearest ancient or supernatural being who is capable of destroying demons , to latimere county OK?

Also thank you Pensfan for responding, I just cant trust what that guy says. I notice he did not go on disapeared and I also havent seen him pled for information of a missing family with whom he personaly knew and he is a pastor . A pastor who has people he knows come up missing should be assisting in their plight somehow. IMO. Never the less I am looking up where to hide from demons to see if I become enlightend.



Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_signs_of_demons_following_you#ixzz1jye9Cv00

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I made my last significant post, immediately before the earthquake. And understandably, my post was immediately forgotten. So, here we go again, and hopefully with no natural disasters immediately following:

I suggest the following scenario-

The Jamisons were looking for land in the region.
The Jamisons were told or otherwise made aware of land available in the area they were interested in, by someone who had an ulterior motive.
The Jamisons brought cash with them to pay for the property (the amount of money in the bag may be important).
The family was met at their vehicle by the perpetrator, who led them along the trail determined by the tracking dog or dogs.
Along the way they snapped a photo of their daughter.
The perpetrator led them to the watertank area where HE had a vehicle ready.
The perpetrator then produced a weapon and kidnapped the family.
The primary motive was to silence one of the parents and the remaining two people were potential witnesses; the motive was not robbery or perversion.
The three missing people are somewhere within a few miles of where they disappeared.

I do not think that drug dealing or delusional visions are involved. I would look for a more common 'human' motive. Maybe someone who has something to lose if the targeted person remained alive and talking.

This is not intended to discourage those who think the family may still be alive, somewhere. There is always that chance and unless and until the family is found, no scenario should be ruled out.

I keep hearing about the the Jamisons seeing spooks and ghosts and whatever, prior to their disappearance. What is the SOURCE of this claim, and DO the relatives of the Jamisons generally support this metaphysical interpretation of the McStay family?

 

[Oriah]

I agree, Mr Noatak. Only thing I think is a variable to your scenario, is drug involvement.
And um, LE. But that's moo- of course.

(Oh and I hope no more natural disasters either!)

ETA: I also think that if the Jamisons were murdered at the site by the water tower- they were moved later on.

 

[wfgodot]

No earthquakes here this morning (yet) though after experiencing the 5.6 I say, "That all you got? Brang 'em on."

 

[wfgodot]

I keep hearing about the the Jamisons seeing spooks and ghosts and whatever, prior to their disappearance. What is the SOURCE of this claim, and DO the relatives of the Jamisons generally support this metaphysical interpretation of the McStay family?

The source of the claim lies in this Sunday Oklahoman article (05.02.10), available here in its entirety, and for free:

EUFAULA COUPLE, MISSING SINCE OCT. 9, TOLD PASTOR OF SEEING SPIRITS ON ROOF, IN THEIR HOUSE

 

[Pensfan]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I made my last significant post, immediately before the earthquake. And understandably, my post was immediately forgotten. So, here we go again, and hopefully with no natural disasters immediately following:

I suggest the following scenario-

The Jamisons were looking for land in the region.
The Jamisons were told or otherwise made aware of land available in the area they were interested in, by someone who had an ulterior motive.
The Jamisons brought cash with them to pay for the property (the amount of money in the bag may be important).
The family was met at their vehicle by the perpetrator, who led them along the trail determined by the tracking dog or dogs.
Along the way they snapped a photo of their daughter.
The perpetrator led them to the watertank area where HE had a vehicle ready.
The perpetrator then produced a weapon and kidnapped the family.
The primary motive was to silence one of the parents and the remaining two people were potential witnesses; the motive was not robbery or perversion.
The three missing people are somewhere within a few miles of where they disappeared.

I do not think that drug dealing or delusional visions are involved. I would look for a more common 'human' motive. Maybe someone who has something to lose if the targeted person remained alive and talking.

This is not intended to discourage those who think the family may still be alive, somewhere. There is always that chance and unless and until the family is found, no scenario should be ruled out.

I keep hearing about the the Jamisons seeing spooks and ghosts and whatever, prior to their disappearance. What is the SOURCE of this claim, and DO the relatives of the Jamisons generally support this metaphysical interpretation of the McStay family?

The delusions/hallucinations of either the wife or the husband could be responsible for their disappearance (both bipolars and schizophrenics can have them). An unmedicated bipolar can be dangerous as well as an unmedicated schizophrenic. In the article posted above it states that the wife didn't take her bipolar medicines. It is unknown if the family understood what terrible things could happen if she did not take her medicine or if Bobbie's "crazy schizophrenic" behavior was not evaluated and treated.

(The wife's gun was missing and she was last seen as being very emotional. She told a friend that she was leaving her husband according to Topix posts. Even if her gun wasn't missing and this didn't happen with her friend, if she was not taking her meds, she might be very depressed, very delusional, and very dangerous.)

 

[MELANAISE]

The delusions/hallucinations of either the wife or the husband could be responsible for their disappearance (both bipolars and schizophrenics can have them). An unmedicated bipolar can be dangerous as well as an unmedicated schizophrenic. In the article posted above it states that the wife didn't take her bipolar medicines. It is unknown if the family understood what terrible things could happen if she did not take her medicine or if Bobbie's "crazy schizophrenic" behavior was not evaluated and treated.

(The wife's gun was missing and she was last seen as being very emotional. She told a friend that she was leaving her husband according to Topix posts. Even if her gun wasn't missing and this didn't happen with her friend, if she was not taking her meds, she might be very depressed, very delusional, and very dangerous.)

Did I miss something here? Where did we find factual information that BJ is indeed schizophrenic? From what I gather, you are basing that off of comments made by a pastor who has never publicly come forward other than the written word in this article. From what I understand, he agreed to do the Disappeared show and then was a no show for his interview. I think its careless to state this as if he had some sort of medical diagnosis.

 

[Simply Caustic]

The delusions/hallucinations of either the wife or the husband could be responsible for their disappearance (both bipolars and schizophrenics can have them). An unmedicated bipolar can be dangerous as well as an unmedicated schizophrenic. In the article posted above it states that the wife didn't take her bipolar medicines. It is unknown if the family understood what terrible things could happen if she did not take her medicine or if Bobbie's "crazy schizophrenic" behavior was not evaluated and treated.

(The wife's gun was missing and she was last seen as being very emotional. She told a friend that she was leaving her husband according to Topix posts. Even if her gun wasn't missing and this didn't happen with her friend, if she was not taking her meds, she might be very depressed, very delusional, and very dangerous.)

I honestly have nothing to say on the bipolar/schizophrenic discussion, as I am a tax paralegal and woefully uneducated in such matters. I will, however, comment on two things:

1) Topix posts are to be taken with a huge chunk o' salt in regards to the Jamison case. I am sure you are aware that Topix is a free-for-all on a good day...but for some reason, the whackos really come out in re: the Jamison's. I've been reading on Topix since the case began, but sadly, have found very little valuable information on there that's proven to be true. In fact, there are many falsehoods on there - IMO, more than your average Topix board.

2) I agree with several here who have posted that the pastor isn't entirely squeaky-clean in my opinion, when it comes to 'why did he come forth?' For example, I think that some of this was for shock value. That's my personal opinion, I have no link to back it up, but I would cite the previous poster's who stated he did not show up for his interview for Disappeared, nor did he organize any type of event around trying to find the Jamisons, no prayer vigil, etc. He did, however, come forth with some shocking claims that only, IMO, damaged the Jamison's reputations a bit. I don't think he did it for that purpose, but I do question what benefit came from his announcement re: spirits etc.? How did that HELP in any way?

(Note: I suppose if he is convinced that they are gone as a result of a murder/suicide/what have you, he may have come forth to save the taxpayer's and those charitably inclined from wasting any time and resources trying to find them...although, IMO, this is unlikely. Didn't have that flavor of an interview, to me).

 

[little726]

I honestly have nothing to say on the bipolar/schizophrenic discussion, as I am a tax paralegal and woefully uneducated in such matters. I will, however, comment on two things:

1) Topix posts are to be taken with a huge chunk o' salt in regards to the Jamison case. I am sure you are aware that Topix is a free-for-all on a good day...but for some reason, the whackos really come out in re: the Jamison's. I've been reading on Topix since the case began, but sadly, have found very little valuable information on there that's proven to be true. In fact, there are many falsehoods on there - IMO, more than your average Topix board.

2) I agree with several here who have posted that the pastor isn't entirely squeaky-clean in my opinion, when it comes to 'why did he come forth?' For example, I think that some of this was for shock value. That's my personal opinion, I have no link to back it up, but I would cite the previous poster's who stated he did not show up for his interview for Disappeared, nor did he organize any type of event around trying to find the Jamisons, no prayer vigil, etc. He did, however, come forth with some shocking claims that only, IMO, damaged the Jamison's reputations a bit. I don't think he did it for that purpose, but I do question what benefit came from his announcement re: spirits etc.? How did that HELP in any way?

(Note: I suppose if he is convinced that they are gone as a result of a murder/suicide/what have you, he may have come forth to save the taxpayer's and those charitably inclined from wasting any time and resources trying to find them...although, IMO, this is unlikely. Didn't have that flavor of an interview, to me).

I agree with everything you posted, caustic! I also feel it didn't help the Jamison family one bit, saying they were seeing spirits! To me, Pastor Brandon seems to be a "spirit" himself! He shows up to make a statement like that about the Jamisons, then disappears!

 

[Soulmagent]

I agree, Mr Noatak. Only thing I think is a variable to your scenario, is drug involvement.
And um, LE. But that's moo- of course.

(Oh and I hope no more natural disasters either!)

ETA: I also think that if the Jamisons were murdered at the site by the water tower- they were moved later on.

I think they were dead when they reached the water tower. I firmly believe Bobby jamison not to have driven the truck in there last. The picture was taken at the first location correct.

I thnk it is way past time for them to have been located, I find it nuts OSBI has not used the media to help solict tips or any information about the case.

 

[Pensfan]

For what it is worth, this is what these facts almost always mean:

-bipolar patient + missing gun + that person disappears/doesn't answer phone/text = that person has committed suicide

This is similar to another very sad scenario that mental health professions hear about every day: (I am sharing the following. It doesn't apply to the Jamison's situation.)

-Major Depression patient + recently filled bottle of antidepressants (has large quantity) + that person disappears/doesn't answer phone/texts = that person is in the process of a suicide attempt or has successfully killed himself

Pensfan
verified old psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[Pensfan]

I honestly have nothing to say on the bipolar/schizophrenic discussion, as I am a tax paralegal and woefully uneducated in such matters. I will, however, comment on two things:

1) Topix posts are to be taken with a huge chunk o' salt in regards to the Jamison case. I am sure you are aware that Topix is a free-for-all on a good day...but for some reason, the whackos really come out in re: the Jamison's. I've been reading on Topix since the case began, but sadly, have found very little valuable information on there that's proven to be true. In fact, there are many falsehoods on there - IMO, more than your average Topix board.

2) I agree with several here who have posted that the pastor isn't entirely squeaky-clean in my opinion, when it comes to 'why did he come forth?' For example, I think that some of this was for shock value. That's my personal opinion, I have no link to back it up, but I would cite the previous poster's who stated he did not show up for his interview for Disappeared, nor did he organize any type of event around trying to find the Jamisons, no prayer vigil, etc. He did, however, come forth with some shocking claims that only, IMO, damaged the Jamison's reputations a bit. I don't think he did it for that purpose, but I do question what benefit came from his announcement re: spirits etc.? How did that HELP in any way?

(Note: I suppose if he is convinced that they are gone as a result of a murder/suicide/what have you, he may have come forth to save the taxpayer's and those charitably inclined from wasting any time and resources trying to find them...although, IMO, this is unlikely. Didn't have that flavor of an interview, to me).

If this pastor had stated that the Jamisons were seeing demons and HE had rescued them or rescued them in the past (promoting himself or his church), I would be suspicious of why he mentioned this. The pastor didn't seem to be promoting himself though. I think the pastor shared this knowledge because he felt to understand their disappearance/locate them it might be important to know.

 

[JackAMW]

Just looked at the girl's photo for the first time that was taken just before they disappeared, noticed something obvious when I zoomed in, she has what appears to be an injury and dark red mark on her left chin and jaw, missing teeth top front and what could be broken teeth on left side of mouth. Photoshop the photo and the injury stands out as if she had been hit there very hard. She is in agony seems to be, distressed and cold
Now if this is the last photo taken and left in the truck, why? As a sign for help or to throw folks off?

 

[Pensfan]

Just looked at the girl's photo for the first time that was taken just before they disappeared, noticed something obvious when I zoomed in, she has what appears to be an injury and dark red mark on her left chin and jaw, missing teeth top front and what could be broken teeth on left side of mouth. Photoshop the photo and the injury stands out as if she had been hit there very hard. She is in agony seems to be, distressed and cold
Now if this is the last photo taken and left in the truck, why? As a sign for help or to throw folks off?

Six years of age is when deciduous teeth usually become loose/fall out so the permanent teeth can erupt/appear. Their little girl was six. Permanent teeth often have ridges on the edges when they first erupt because they haven’t been worn down by usage. Ridges are normal on new permanent teeth.

In this photo, their little girl appears to have an a brownish area (unwashed face? or fading bruises?) near her mouth. She might have eczema? or a red mark? on her cheek. Her hair is unbrushed, but unbrushed hair and a dirty face are frequently normal in 6-year-olds.

 

[little726]

I think they were dead when they reached the water tower. I firmly believe Bobby jamison not to have driven the truck in there last. The picture was taken at the first location correct.

I thnk it is way past time for them to have been located, I find it nuts OSBI has not used the media to help solict tips or any information about the case.

I'm not convinced the Jamisons went up that mountain road the second day. The neighbor might have seen the truck drive by, but it wasn't the Jamisons in the truck. Did the neighbor say he SPOKE to them on the second day?

It's that darn oversized Barbie doll that makes me think this. I think it was used as a decoy and made to look like Madyson sitting in the childs seat.

 

[JackAMW]

I'm not convinced the Jamisons went up that mountain road the second day. The neighbor might have seen the truck drive by, but it wasn't the Jamisons in the truck. Did the neighbor say he SPOKE to them on the second day?

It's that darn oversized Barbie doll that makes me think this. I think it was used as a decoy and made to look like Madyson sitting in the childs seat.

Have not heard about the doll but I dont know much about the case and the paticulars anyway, but I like that explanation, yes, very good

So if they went there one day and was seen the next or at least the truck, someone would have had to know their routine and that the neighbor had seen them. In that case the perp would have to be someone close to them or that had studied them or it was themselves with help which brings to mind, why didn't the neighbor see another vehicle?

 

[JackAMW]

Six years of age is when deciduous teeth usually become loose/fall out so the permanent teeth can erupt/appear. Their little girl was six. Permanent teeth often have ridges on the edges when they first erupt because they haven’t been worn down by usage. Ridges are normal on new permanent teeth.

In this photo, their little girl appears to have an a brownish area (unwashed face? or fading bruises?) near her mouth. She might have eczema? or a red mark? on her cheek. Her hair is unbrushed, but unbrushed hair and a dirty face are frequently normal in 6-year-olds.

I can buy the teeth thing but the discoloration along the the jaw line indicates bruised area with welt pattern on cheek and her composure is not a happy one, but I just hit on something, thanks!