OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #11

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  • #921
That could explain it, what model was the truck?

I thought the truck was a 1997 GMC Serria 4x4 (don't know if it is a 2500 or a 1500.) I, however could be wrong .

I cant tell by anything shown in pictures that the truck is a 4x4 and I cannot see any of the badges on the truck to clue me in as to anything else.

I thought we had more pictures of it for some reason.
 
  • #922
I agree the lack of a reward seems odd, but there have been odd statements and/or behaviors from just about everyone connected to Bobby and Sherilyn. If this were a WPP case, offering a reward seems like a no harm/no foul kind of deal because, if their relocation and identity change were well enough done, no one would ever claim the reward. And I can tell you that a big reward doesn't necessarily draw that much attention.

I don't understand the point of a reward. It seems unlikely that someone with details of a murder would keep them secret but reveal them because of the reward. Does that frequently happen?
 
  • #923
The point of a reward is that you never know, it only takes one sometimes-regardles of whether or not it has worked for others. When it comes to your own son and grandchild I would think you would do anything and whadaya know Star said she would do anything, but I guess she meant anything but put up a reward. If the family didn't get the $32,000 and could not afford to offer the money or if they used the money to hire a PI, I might not be so sure they were alive and well.

23 days, 9 days left
 
  • #924
I don't understand the point of a reward. It seems unlikely that someone with details of a murder would keep them secret but reveal them because of the reward. Does that frequently happen?

I don't find the lack of a reward odd, because there are many, many cases that involve no reward. And I don't know what the frequency is re: rewards, but I do think that it can sometimes lead a friend or relative of the perp (if there is a perp) to come forward with information.

I think LE often has contradictory feelings re: rewards being posted because they sometimes get inundated with useless leads and/or a future prosecution can be hampered by credibility issues for someone who provided info to get a reward.
 
  • #925
I don't find the lack of a reward odd, because there are many, many cases that involve no reward. And I don't know what the frequency is re: rewards, but I do think that it can sometimes lead a friend or relative of the perp (if there is a perp) to come forward with information.

I think LE often has contradictory feelings re: rewards being posted because they sometimes get inundated with useless leads and/or a future prosecution can be hampered by credibility issues for someone who provided info to get a reward.

In those many, many cases the family may not be able to afford to offer one or may use their funds to hire a PI. The Jamison family got a $32,000 windfall and did neither-but given my theory, I don't find it odd they didn't either.

IF LE can't handle the tips and such, then the family could have hired a PI
 
  • #926
The key thing posted over the past couple of days that affected my thinking on this case was that the Jamisons were headed away from the well site. If someone was headed "up" the road, causing them to pull up, then they would have have had to back up in order to allow the other vehicle to turn around.

So, that implies to me that they were following another vehicle. If the other vehicle pulled up short, what would the Jamisons have thought? How would they have reacted?

I believe the truck was found at the location somewhere around 2:15 into the YouTube video OkieGranny posted on the previous page (forgive me, but I don't know how to quote more than one thing), so the road has already widened into the plateau. Originally I had thought it was near the 1st widening in the road (when the driver slows down in the video), but based on the pic of the truck, it was at the entrance to the well site plateau.
 
  • #927
Got a good night's sleep and am back to work on the timeline. Also, am finally diving into the cesspool that is Topix; may need a Silkwood-style shower afterward.

Found another thing that IB and I can agree on, in post #95 here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wilburton-ok/T8L2IG2GC6RCCQ8BS/p5

Remember IB's successor, Sheriff RB, the dim bulb interviewed in the OETA video? IB called him "a horrible sheriff" in this post.
 
  • #928
Do we think that they just met up with someone who was posing as a person selling land? This person was a killer? Was there even any land for sale up there? Could they have overdosed and the child just died of exposure? Perhaps the killer took their gun? No COD yet here?
 
  • #929
Do we think that they just met up with someone who was posing as a person selling land? This person was a killer? Was there even any land for sale up there? Could they have overdosed and the child just died of exposure? Perhaps the killer took their gun? No COD yet here?
No COD yet - no ID of remains yet for that matter. Yes there was land for sale. I think they made known they had money on them one day and were followed therefore the next day by someone who had heard, or overheard. If we posit drug-taking - drugs do tend to make one incautious at times, especially meth, which causes one at times to feel invulnerable. And no, I don't think they walked where they were found. (Or found evidently, pending ID.)
 
  • #930
I'm no real estate mogul ;) but can someone explain to me how you go about purchasing property with a bag of money? Do people really just go and meet someone up in the middle of no where with cash to make that kind of transaction? I dont mean to sound snippy, am I missing something here? Every house I've bought involved piles of paperwork, the bank, a lawyer... etc. Its not like going out and buying a used TV.
 
  • #931
Well, huh. I see on Topix that Sherilyn's BFF shares my latest possible theory, or at least she did in mid-2010.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p25

Hey, you grizzled veterans of the Jamison case, does anyone remember any info on a former member of Sherilyn's family working in Bristow at the time the family disappeared, from any source other than the BFF?
 
  • #932
No COD yet - no ID of remains yet for that matter. Yes there was land for sale. I think they made known they had money on them one day and were followed therefore the next day by someone who had heard, or overheard. If we posit drug-taking - drugs do tend to make one incautious at times, especially meth, which causes one at times to feel invulnerable. And no, I don't think they walked where they were found. (Or found evidently, pending ID.)


Although my experience with drug users is limited I'll share my opinion. The Jamison's behavior certainly suggests a dysfunctional family and drug use. They appeared to have no visible source of income, yet they reportedly traveled to Mexico and a number of other States to spend time in their time share properties. People with mental problems such as Mrs. Jamison frequently self medicate with drugs in addition to their prescribed drugs to cope with their problem which almost always worsens the situation. Assuming that Mr. Jamison was seriously disabled with a broken back we can also assume that he took or was taking pain medications. Unfortunately, this frequently leads to an addiction to narcotics. Obviously, LE will have information on this subject that has not been made available to the public.

Based on their behavior and medical history my guess is that there is a high probability that they were regular users of drugs although the drugs did not necessarily include meth. It is more difficult to form an opinion as to whether they were meth users. In many ways they acted like meth users, but in many ways they didn't.

The things that suggest that they were not completely consumed with meth use are the following. 1 – They managed to hold on to $32,000 cash; 2 – I have not read where anyone has said that they have seen the Jamisons use meth or admit that they have used meth; 3 – They owned a home and time share properties; 4 – They managed to conduct family business; 5 – There has been no report of finding any meth or meth paraphernalia among their possessions; 6 – They apparently attended church at times.

If they were meth users, it is my opinion that they were not yet completely consumed with it. Generally speaking, thoroughly addicted meth users who are not independently wealthy cannot hold on to any cash, someone always knows of their use of meth, they don't own much property of any kind because everything gets sold to buy meth, they are unable to conduct family business, and there is some evidence of meth use such as needles or other paraphernalia, and they don't go to church.

The above is my opinion based on what I have read up to this point in time. If a reliable source told me today that they were in fact hard core meth users, I would have to say that I'm surprised that they were able to function as well as they did. Maybe the forensic examination of the bones will reveal the answer.
 
  • #933
Well, huh. I see on Topix that Sherilyn's BFF shares my latest possible theory, or at least she did in mid-2010.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p25

Hey, you grizzled veterans of the Jamison case, does anyone remember any info on a former member of Sherilyn's family working in Bristow at the time the family disappeared, from any source other than the BFF?
Am grizzled veteran but can't remember Bristow due to inexact memory and fact I tend to let mapists and cipherers do the heavy lifting, and rely on mtrooper, soul, little, "and them" (and you) for actual case knowledge - I'm sort of a Sleuth Lite.

At least in 02/13 BFF was warming up to another theory of the case; see

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10


and following for white supremist (oops sorry lol, j/k) supremacist angle via "mystery phone call."
 
  • #934
I'm no real estate mogul ;) but can someone explain to me how you go about purchasing property with a bag of money? Do people really just go and meet someone up in the middle of no where with cash to make that kind of transaction? I dont mean to sound snippy, am I missing something here? Every house I've bought involved piles of paperwork, the bank, a lawyer... etc. Its not like going out and buying a used TV.

Possible – yes, likely – no. If the Jamisons were confident that the owners were the true owners of the property and that there were no unacceptable liens or other problems that would affect the marketability of the land, they could have handed the owner the cash and the owner could have handed the Jamisons a deed which they could have filed in the County Clerk's office.

Because the Jamisons had been in contact with a real estate agent it is doubtful that there was going to be this kind of a transaction. Unless the Jamisons did some independent research they might have not even known who the owners were. My experience with real estate agents is that you deal through them and sometimes don't see the other party. I suppose that the Jamisons could have given the real estate agent the cash in the wilderness, but the agent would have probably nervously given them a receipt and then proceeded with the transaction in the normal way. I don't believe that the Jamison's expected to conclude the transaction in this way because I thought that I read somewhere that the Jamison's obtained the gps coordinates from the agent, but did not want the agent to show them the property.
 
  • #935
Am grizzled veteran but can't remember Bristow due to inexact memory and fact I tend to let mapists and cipherers do the heavy lifting, and rely on mtrooper, soul, little, "and them" (and you) for actual case knowledge - I'm sort of a Sleuth Lite.

At least in 02/13 BFF was warming up to another theory of the case; see

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10

and following for white supremist (oops sorry lolol, j/k) supremacist angle via "secret phone call").

From my reading of FTJ, the BFF seemed to firmly believe, until the remains were found, that Sherilyn and Bobby were killed and Madyson was abducted and still alive somewhere. Taken by a pedophile, if I've interpreted the inferences correctly. So I was surprised to find this earlier theory of hers, as it's pretty much the same idea I've been turning over and over in my head the past few days.
 
  • #936
From my reading of FTJ, the BFF seemed to firmly believe, until the remains were found, that Sherilyn and Bobby were killed and Madyson was abducted and still alive somewhere. Taken by a pedophile, if I've interpreted the inferences correctly. So I was surprised to find this earlier theory of hers, as it's pretty much the same idea I've been turning over and over in my head the past few days.
Surprised too as I hadn't seen that one either; like some/many/maybe most of us, BFF has rocked the theorizing first one way then another, it appears. Of her theory that Madyson was still alive, captured by pedophiles, I was extremely dubious to the point of scoffing - then thought, as I posted somewhere above, that one can't fault those who do hold out hope, especially for a child. That theory also presents an unspoken admission perhaps: that the Jamisons were foolhardy and had made themselves vulnerable enough to allow themselves to be eliminated and could not protect their child. Lots of layers there - few if any suggested by other statements of BFF about them over the years.
 
  • #937
So if the road was so narrow where the truck was parked, what did the people that saw it do? Did they back down and turn around? Numerous times?? Did they see it from a different vantage point?

My vote
85% murder
14% exposure
1% Bigfoot, snake or other animal, WPP (in that order)
 
  • #938
The "special bullets" (and ghosts and demons) first appeared in the Oklahoman's 02 May 2010 story...

I noticed in the Oklahoman article today that former sheriff IB again referred to the possibility the Jamisons were "scammers" - cited were the lawsuits and the disability payments to both; this to me raised the question without stating it directly that Bobby's injuries from the wreck were possibly not severe as advertised. (Also the $65,000 settlement appears a bit low for truly debilitating injuries - perhaps the insurance company, though doubtful, paid off so as not to have to face the possibility of a runaway jury if the matter came to trial?)
This is info I've been looking for!
Can you tell me where you got this settlement information? Was it for his accident? Did he ever settle with his dad/mom over years of unpaid labor? I'd be interested to see the families balance sheet. It's been said they had interest in 5 time-shares?
 
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Hmm, wfgodot, just stumbled across your highlights from a BlogTalk Radio program about the Jamisons that aired in 2010. I don't suppose anyone kept a link to that episode?

I haven't been able to find it by googling. Maybe it didn't get archived, or maybe I just haven't hit upon the right combination of keywords yet.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5814799&postcount=130

ETA: Does anyone have approximate dates for when the handyman moved in and out of the Jamisons' home? Now that I need that info (for the timeline), I can't find it. "During the summer" is not specific enough.
 
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