OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #2

[webrocket]

Well the court site is down for scheduled maintenece....But I am 100% sure that what I read yesterday (which I could only see page one for some reason) he stated that he was divorced from Starlet and that he had no surviving spouse, and it also mentioned that he was unsure if he had surviving children due to his son being reported missing on Oct. 18th. So it HAD to be after Bobbys dissappearance. I thought that it was his will, but I will check and post when the site comes back up. I think Starlet had the most to gain if she didn't know that he had changed his will after the divorce. With both of his surviving child and grand child out of the way, and her thinking that she has not been excluded from the will, she then would be the beneficiary. Right? I am not a lawyer, just thats how I would think it would be. Starlet and Bobby Sr. were both VERY familiar with the court system, they had sued and been sued MULTIPLE times.

I think what you read was the complaint filed by either Starlet or Jack Raymond and not the will itself. In the complaint someone would make allegations they believe they can prove. I doubt Bobbie Dean rewrote the will after his son's family disappeared but who knows?

 

[little726]

So I called the courts help desk and apparently the site is going to be down at least the rest of today. She told me to try back over the weekend or on monday. And I am not sure if Starlet is Bobby's bio mom or not. I thought that someone posted earlier that they had been married for 40 years, and Bobby is 44 so it very well could be a different mother....Hmm I will keep digging, I am also trying to find out Starlet's last name.

Starlet's maiden name http://www1.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=037-MLI 1800251&County=037-

 

[little726]

I read what I could yesterday on Bobby Dean's will and it stated; Stormy, would be the sole heir to his property and money. But, if for any reason something happened to her, it would be divided between his 7 siblings.

These aren't the exact words, but it's the way I understand them.

 

[webrocket]

I read what I could yesterday on Bobby Dean's will and it stated; Stormy, would be the sole heir to his property and money. But, if for any reason something happened to her, it would be divided between his 7 siblings.

These aren't the exact words, but it's the way I understand them.

Odd that Bobby Dean would skip his son and leave all the money to Stormy. But the change seems to preclude any money going to Starlet which was probably the intent rather than to cut out son and granddaughter. He could always cut out his son and granddaughter without having them bumped off.

 

[webrocket]

Odd that Bobby Dean would skip his son and leave all the money to Stormy. But the change seems to preclude any money going to Starlet which was probably the intent rather than to cut out son and granddaughter. He could always cut out his son and granddaughter without having them bumped off.

Well one or more of the contingent beneficiaries got involved to change the order of things.

 

[webrocket]

Starlet's maiden name http://www1.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=037-MLI 1800251&County=037-

thanks for getting me that information. Her maiden name was Vadder. I used that surname to see if there are any Vadders in OK who were incarcerated or on parole and it came up blank. Just seeing if Starlet had any bad boy brothers but apparently none in the clink or on parole.

 

[little726]

Odd that Bobby Dean would skip his son and leave all the money to Stormy. But the change seems to preclude any money going to Starlet which was probably the intent rather than to cut out son and granddaughter. He could always cut out his son and granddaughter without having them bumped off.

For some reason, there is "bad blood" between father and son.

The will also states that Starlet will not get a penny from his estate.

It would be nice if the OK court site would stay up and running. There is alot to read on the will.

 

[little726]

Well one or more of the contingent beneficiaries got involved to change the order of things.

Jack Raymond Jamison, changed it. Some how, he found out Starlet had tried to put the will through probate.

 

[little726]

What is the normal amount of time to wait until you file for probate?

 

[dreamweaver]

For some reason, there is "bad blood" between father and son.

The will also states that Starlet will not get a penny from his estate.

It would be nice if the OK court site would stay up and running. There is alot to read on the will.

Bobbie filed suit against his dad for cheating him out of money when working at a service station.
Is that what you mean? Or is there something else?
:waitasec:

 

[webrocket]

Jack Raymond Jamison, changed it. Some how, he found out Starlet had tried to put the will through probate.

Jack Raymond did not change it unless you are saying he either forged a new will or exerted pressure on Bobby Dean to change it.

The probating of the old will is a matter of public record so as soon as Jack Raymond learned Starlet had filed to be the administrator of the estate, Jack filed papers to vacate that and to probate what he considered the most recent will of his deceased brother.

Now if Stormy was the sole beneficiary of Bobby Dean's estate, then that might answer a question posed by someone here, and I am paraphrasing "why would anyone want to kill a small child"?

 

[little726]

Bobbie filed suit against his dad for cheating him out of money when working at a service station.
Is that what you mean? Or is there something else?
:waitasec:

Yes, I remember about him cheating his son out of some money. I just think there was something else going on between them.

Sorry, I can't come up with a better answer for you.

Why did Bobbie's dad have so much dislike for him? I mean, leave your own family out of your will!!! I know people do it every day, but there's always some underlying reason.

 

[little726]

Jack Raymond did not change it unless you are saying he either forged a new will or exerted pressure on Bobby Dean to change it.

The probating of the old will is a matter of public record so as soon as Jack Raymond learned Starlet had filed to be the administrator of the estate, Jack filed papers to vacate that and to probate what he considered the most recent will of his deceased brother.

Now if Stormy was the sole beneficiary of Bobby Dean's estate, then that might answer a question posed by someone here, and I am paraphrasing "why would anyone want to kill a small child"?

Starlet showed the court a will dated; NOVEMBER 24,2004. The will JRJ has is dated; OCTOBER 27, 2008.

There are 2 wills.

Also, the address Starlet submitted for the young Jamison family is; 4115 Kim Drive, Del City OK 73115. It is the same as her home address.

 

[webrocket]

Starlet showed the court a will dated; NOVEMBER 24,2004. The will JRJ has is dated; OCTOBER 27, 2008.

There are 2 wills.

Also, the address Starlet submitted for the young Jamison family is; 4115 Kim Drive, Del City OK 73115. It is the same as her home address.

Thanks for those details.

The surrogate will have to determine which is valid.

As for Starlet using her address it is not as bizarre as it may seem. There were alot of documents on the court's website and to the extent she is claiming personal entitlement to the money then so be it.

As for using her address for the missing son and granddaugher, it is not as strange as it may seem. She may be claiming that she standing in the shoes of the missing son and granddaughter so since they will not receive any mail in their absence, she is using her mailing address instead.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I can't speak about other states, but in PA you can open an estate (submit the will for probate) as soon as you can gather the will and the resources. You need a stack of death certificates because various offices need copies, you have to deal with filing fees, newspaper notices, etc. So there is money involved. I'm executor of my mother's estate and it took me 3 months to have the heart to start the process. It's very final. After the estate is opened, there is a waiting period (4 months or so) before the executors can distribute money to the heirs and a waiting period before the estate can be closed.

So in PA, anyway, the faster you present the will and open the estate, the faster the heirs get the money. In some cases, speed might be necessary, if minor children are involved or if the deceased has complicated business and economic affairs. With my mom, things were a lot simpler and there was no hurry. While the change of heirs is important, it would be just as interesting to think about who the original executor(s) was/were and whether that changed. Executors have the responsibility of making a lot of decisions as to how to dispose of property and liquidate assets--e.g., an executor could decide to sell property using a questionable appraisal value or no appraisal at all. Lots of opportunity for mischief, if the executor is not honest.

 

[little726]

Thanks for those details.

The surrogate will have to determine which is valid.

As for Starlet using her address it is not as bizarre as it may seem. There were alot of documents on the court's website and to the extent she is claiming personal entitlement to the money then so be it.

As for using her address for the missing son and granddaugher, it is not as strange as it may seem. She may be claiming that she standing in the shoes of the missing son and granddaughter so since they will not receive any mail in their absence, she is using her mailing address instead.

The addresses I posted was taken from the 2004 will. Sorry about that.

 

[little726]

I can't speak about other states, but in PA you can open an estate (submit the will for probate) as soon as you can gather the will and the resources. You need a stack of death certificates because various offices need copies, you have to deal with filing fees, newspaper notices, etc. So there is money involved. I'm executor of my mother's estate and it took me 3 months to have the heart to start the process. It's very final. After the estate is opened, there is a waiting period (4 months or so) before the executors can distribute money to the heirs and a waiting period before the estate can be closed.

So in PA, anyway, the faster you present the will and open the estate, the faster the heirs get the money. In some cases, speed might be necessary, if minor children are involved or if the deceased has complicated business and economic affairs. With my mom, things were a lot simpler and there was no hurry. While the change of heirs is important, it would be just as interesting to think about who the original executor(s) was/were and whether that changed. Executors have the responsibility of making a lot of decisions as to how to dispose of property and liquidate assets--e.g., an executor could decide to sell property using a questionable appraisal value or no appraisal at all. Lots of opportunity for mischief, if the executor is not honest.

I'm in NY. So some can take a long, long time! Thanks.

 

[mysticrose]

I want to say thankyou to webrocket , little, trooper and anyone else contributing to the finding of the will and probate going on super work !

Pure speculation here in regards to this will this information may just answer my question as to why someone would want an entire family gone, what would be the motive for that.
If what we are reading is correct Madyson stood to inheirt her grandfather's estate, if something were to happen to her then it would be divided among grandpa's siblings. if something only happened to Madyson, Bobby could have stepped up and fought for a share of the estate...
Another stickler would be that Bobby had already filed suit in regards to the sale of the gas station and therefore would be entitled to at least half of what that was worth if he could have proved it and with his father passing away he probally would have won.

With everyone out of the way there is know one to challenge the will on Madyson behalf and therefore the siblings will split the money.
One thing though is that no one knows for sure what has happened to the family and that may hang up this probate for quite sometime unless someone just happens to come upon the bodies of the family ...

now wouldn't that be convenient

It might also answer why we have not heard from any of Bobby's immeidate family pleaing for help in finding them because they are involved in their disappearence......jmo

 

[mysticrose]

I wonder how long Bobby's father has been sick and how long it was know he may pass away more sooner then later ....total hink !

 

[webrocket]

I just realized something and it may color the competing views of who might have had the greater interest in seeing son and granddaughter disappear. This may all sound convoluted but I am working through a thought process here.

Keep in mind that papa Jamison was always free to cut people out of his will at any time for any reason, if he did not want his son to take any money, then he always had the power to redo his will.

I do not know what the law of intestacy is in OK (i.e. dying without a valid will in place and I'm not referring to Bobby Dean). I think if he did not change the will after they vanished, then it was entirely possible that upon Bobby Dean's death, Starlet would have taken the money as surviving heir of Stormy or that the money would have been divided between Starlet and Stormy's maternal grandparents.

Bobby Dean may have consulted with an attorney who would have advised him on exactly what would happen if in fact his son and granddaughters predeceased him. So it is not unexpected that he would want to keep the money away from Starlet and to keep the money in his family as opposed to half of Stormy's share going to her maternal grandparents.

In any event, if Bobby Dean changed his will after they disappeared, his later decisions would not have been known to the person or persons who did them harm. Therefore, whoever did them harm would have based their decisions on documents in existence at the time they disappeared on the hope nothing would change.