OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #2

[Sillybilly]

Eufaula, not Weleetka

Right !! Thanks for that correction wfg ... I get some of these cases mixed up, and will try to do better after my nap :dance:

 

[little726]

Hi Little great thought ! I don't think we ever did get an actual address or location to this property ....

I just don't know where to look.

 

[dreamweaver]

Hi Little great thought ! I don't think we ever did get an actual address or location to this property ....

I remember very early on in the thread that someone had the address of where the truck was located.

 

[wfgodot]

Right !! Thanks for that correction wfg ... I get some of these cases mixed up, and will try to do better after my nap :dance:

I understand! I've lived in OK twelve years and have yet to be clear on the difference between Atoka, Checotah and Wewoka, even though they're a goodly distance apart.

 

[little726]

I remember very early on in the thread that someone had the address of where the truck was located.

Thanks, dreamweaver. I'm looking for it now.

 

[MeoW333]

I don't buy the murder suicide one bit. Have they tried to verify the authenticity of this note? Anyone could have written it.

Why do I say i don't buy it at all? The guy could not walk very far in that terrain. If they found no bodies anywhere near the truck, then they did not get out and walk very far. Someone else was there and took them somewhere and killed them. I see no indicia of a voluntary disappearance.

I agree with you completely, i doubt this was a murder-suicide. Why would they drive the distance to commit a murder suicide when the easiest way would be to do it at home while half the family slept?
There are no bodies.

If there is any truth to the rumor about the note, i hope LE has done handwriting analysis to determine it was not the wife's and if it really was there and that's why we see a lack of LE doing anything about this case, it may have been the perp wrote it.

It may seem odd that they were going to make a transaction with a large sum of cash.
Mr. Jamison was getting SSD i believe and so was his wife. Both of them would not be allowed to have more than $2,000 in each of their accounts. If they had more, they risk the govt taking it away as they were receiving SSD.
This would explain why the Jamisons kept cash on them and were going to do a cash transaction.
It would also put them at risk if people knew they did this, potential for being robbed.

Did we ever hear if LE actually went through with their word to find the guy who had lived with the Jamison's a year ago who was making racist comments about Native Americans? (The wife was First Nation)

 

[wfgodot]

I don't buy the murder suicide one bit. Have they tried to verify the authenticity of this note? Anyone could have written it.

Why do I say i don't buy it at all? The guy could not walk very far in that terrain. If they found no bodies anywhere near the truck, then they did not get out and walk very far. Someone else was there and took them somewhere and killed them. I see no indicia of a voluntary disappearance.

I agree that the murder-suicide angle is dubious. I posted that quotation from Topix merely to display one of the dollar amounts bandied about as having been found in the truck.

And, true, there's no evidence they disappeared voluntarily; but, as well, there's no evidence they were abducted, or became lost during a walk, or fell prey to mine shafts, or were waylaid by poachers, or pot harvesters, or meth cookers - no evidence about any of these that we know of.

However, the fact that the Jamisons had apparently decided to move to an isolated area, far from friends and family, seems only a bit short of a decision to take it one step further and voluntarily disappear entirely.

 

[Sillybilly]

I agree that the murder-suicide angle is dubious. I posted that quotation from Topix merely to display one of the dollar amounts bandied about as having been found in the truck.

And, true, there's no evidence they disappeared voluntarily; but, as well, there's no evidence they were abducted, or became lost during a walk, or fell prey to mine shafts, or were waylaid by poachers, or pot harvesters, or meth cookers - no evidence about any of these that we know of.

However, the fact that the Jamisons had apparently decided to move to an isolated area, far from friends and family, seems only a bit short of a decision to take it one step further and voluntarily disappear entirely.

BBM

I could understand them attempting to distance themselves from family dysfunction and society in general ... but I still can't fathom them voluntarily disappearing and foregoing a guaranteed monthly disability income to rely solely on their savings (unless there was a substantial amount of money left over after the purchase to carry them comfortably into self-sufficiency).

 

[wfgodot]

BBM

I could understand them attempting to distance themselves from family dysfunction and society in general ... but I still can't fathom them voluntarily disappearing and foregoing a guaranteed monthly disability income to rely solely on their savings (unless there was a substantial amount of money left over after the purchase to carry them comfortably into self-sufficiency).

I agree, especially about giving up the disability income. It's just that, with what we know (which isn't much), an indicator of their intent seems to be that of seeking to isolate themselves via a land-buy in a relatively difficult to access region in the hills outside an obscure community in southeastern Oklahoma.

Perhaps they went one step beyond. Perhaps only by disappearing entirely could they be free of whatever it was that drove them from Oklahoma City to Eufaula, and then from Eufaula to their vanishing point, where not even footprints were found at the site of their abandoned vehicle, according to the sheriff.

A big deal to me remains just what was the "substantial amount" of money left behind. Until that is known, all bets are blind bets.

 

[wfgodot]

Topix Update:

There's a rather impressive, lengthy series of comments (six in all) by "Thank You" addressed to Sherrilyn Jamison's mother, Connie, posted today on the Missing Eufaula Family - KFOR Topix thread:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/eufaula-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p7

The poster seems to feel there is much amiss with land sales in the region:

"Had I not discovered this tragedy we would be on our way there right now completeley ignorant of the danger we could have been putting ourselves in. That gives me the creepiest feeling."

Well worth a look-see.

 

[dreamweaver]

Topix Update:

There's a rather impressive, lengthy series of comments (six in all) by "Thank You" addressed to Sherrilyn Jamison's mother, Connie, posted today on the Missing Eufaula Family - KFOR Topix thread:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/eufaula-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p7

The poster seems to feel there is much amiss with land sales in the region:

"Had I not discovered this tragedy we would be on our way there right now completeley ignorant of the danger we could have been putting ourselves in. That gives me the creepiest feeling."

Well worth a look-see.

Thanks for the link.
I have not checked that topix in quite awhile.
I hope she does check in with WS.
I also hope she reports all this to
OSBI.

 

[MeoW333]

I agree that the murder-suicide angle is dubious. I posted that quotation from Topix merely to display one of the dollar amounts bandied about as having been found in the truck.

And, true, there's no evidence they disappeared voluntarily; but, as well, there's no evidence they were abducted, or became lost during a walk, or fell prey to mine shafts, or were waylaid by poachers, or pot harvesters, or meth cookers - no evidence about any of these that we know of.

However, the fact that the Jamisons had apparently decided to move to an isolated area, far from friends and family, seems only a bit short of a decision to take it one step further and voluntarily disappear entirely.

If they wanted to disappear, they could have easily done it without abandoning their truck, money, and dog. Especially the dog, it was the little girl's pup, and the mother was a known animal lover. They would have at least took the puppy with them. In my heart, i truly believe that the Jamison family, being animal lovers would not abandon their dog inside their truck if they wanted to "take off" and disappear. They would have took their pup with them.

Not to mention both the Jamisons were getting SSD, which would be their source of income, so unless they had a ton of money hoarded away somewhere which is unlikely imo, they would have to stay on the grid to continue to get their disability checks.

 

[MeoW333]

Topix Update:

There's a rather impressive, lengthy series of comments (six in all) by "Thank You" addressed to Sherrilyn Jamison's mother, Connie, posted today on the Missing Eufaula Family - KFOR Topix thread:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/eufaula-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p7

The poster seems to feel there is much amiss with land sales in the region:

"Had I not discovered this tragedy we would be on our way there right now completeley ignorant of the danger we could have been putting ourselves in. That gives me the creepiest feeling."

Well worth a look-see.

wfgodot, this is extremely interesting, the comments say:
(i hope this post is allowed to stay as lord knows when the comments will get lost on there and imo this is important)

Thank You

Denton, TX
|#137
11 hrs ago


Hello this post is for Connie the mother of Sherrilyn. The board I found her comment on does not allow posts anymore. Connie I am hoping this message reaches you because what you said about what you think happened to your family helped me make the decision to avoid going up that mountain to look at some land. We found an opportunity to buy land on Craigslist. It started seeming weird to me when we asked for an exact location of the land and were told the GPS is a little unreliable in this area (what exactly that means I do not know, if land is surveyed wouldn't there be reliable GPS coordinates?) So the woman who works in the office sent us a map with a location marked which was right in the middle of robbers cave state park. I had previously determined the exact location of the land by matching the curve in the creek from the map of the land on their website to the same distinctive curve on a google map (the land is actually 2 miles due east of the southeast corner of Robbers Cave State Park boundaries.) I had both maps up on separate pages and I was toggling back and forth until I matched the size and position of the google map to the website map.I got an exact match on the creek curve, so I already knew the exact location when they sent us the wrong location within the boundaries of robbers cave state park. It certainly could have been a mistake on the part of the office worker but it got me researching.

Thank You

Denton, TX
|#138
11 hrs ago


Thank you continued:

On a lark I typed Red Oak into youtube the day the office worker sent us the map with the wrong location. I was looking for area footage but found the news story about the Jamison family.

What got me is one of the news reports said their truck was found 7 miles NE of Wilburton. All other media stories reported the location the truck was found as Red Oak but this one report said 7 miles NE of Wilburton it was the only specific location reported.)I measured out 7 miles to map scale on a piece of paper and held it up to the computer screen on a due NE trajectory from Wilburton. 7 miles NE of Wilburton falls exactly on the north side of the creek curve I used to determine the location of the land we were looking at buying.

Thank You

Denton, TX
#139
11 hrs ago


Thank You continued:

The other thing that got me was Panola. Every report said Panola Mountain. I could not locate Panola Mountain on a topographical map but we were told to turn up into those mountains just past Panola road. The location of the land we were going to look at is such that there is only one way in or out.(and the only reason I know that is because I matched the creek) and I guess the seller expected us to go look at the land without knowing the exact location before we met the woman who was supposed to show us where it was so we could pick out which plot we wanted. I didn't like that. I didn't like that we were not provided an exact location and I did not like that no arrangements were spoken of in relation to a title search or whatever is supposed to happen to prove the land you are being sold is owned by the seller. I did however look up county tax records and found the land is owned by the company presented on the website.

Connie, I will never know if harm would have come to us on that mountain. Because of what you wrote I realized that whether foul play, accidentally stepping on the wrong property or just having our car break down or a medical emergeny I realized the potential for needing help and not getting it in a timely fashion on that mountain was highly probable.

Is it just be or does it seem like maybe LE in that area are good ol' boys and the FBI needs to be sent in to clear things up?

#1 Local people had talked to the Jamisons and knew they were there looking at land
#2 The amount of time it took to report the truck with the puppy in it, sounds more like the ATV rider not wanting to get involved in his neighbor's business than anything else.
#3 Small area, news travels. I'm sure word got around that they were there to buy land, possibly a cash transaction.

Whoever is involved in this gig, needs to be caught. IMO, it is very likely the Jamisons may have found out about the land on Craigslist.

The news there has to get an "okay" from LE to publish something??!!!

So the sheriff does nothing about this case or missing family, never mind a little girl went missing and could be endangered.
This disgusts me to no end.
It's obvious foul play was involved. If LE can't solve this or at least try to, then they need to ask for help. It seems there, that if the media has to get an "ok" from LE to report something, the LE there gets a break from having pressure being put on them to solve these cases.

Most likely some of those locals know what happened or have some rumors about what happened that are based on truth. Why the sheriff lets this case sit for so long and does nothing, is beyond me. It reflects horribly on their department.

This case needs to get national media attention so that this family can be found and there can be some type of resolution, they deserve that.
Pressure needs to be put on the Sheriff and if he can't handle it, he needs to hand over the case to someone who will actually work on it instead of not doing anything at all.

It wouldn't be the first time people were killed and robbed over a Craigslist scam. If it keeps happening in that area..

What the poster on Topix mentioned sounds very hinky and the people "selling" this land need to be checked out. Its a set up for disaster.

 

[wfgodot]

If they wanted to disappear, they could have easily done it without abandoning their truck, money, and dog. Especially the dog, it was the little girl's pup, and the mother was a known animal lover. They would have at least took the puppy with them. In my heart, i truly believe that the Jamison family, being animal lovers would not abandon their dog inside their truck if they wanted to "take off" and disappear. They would have took their pup with them.

Not to mention both the Jamisons were getting SSD, which would be their source of income, so unless they had a ton of money hoarded away somewhere which is unlikely imo, they would have to stay on the grid to continue to get their disability checks.

I'm mainly hoping that the Jamisons did disappear voluntarily because it would mean they are still alive.

 

[dreamweaver]

LE probably can trace the IP address of the Topix poster.
If her story is credible, then LE can look over Craigslist person
who had land to sell, check out the story.

 

[webrocket]

Is it just be or does it seem like maybe LE in that area are good ol' boys and the FBI needs to be sent in to clear things up?

#1 Local people had talked to the Jamisons and knew they were there looking at land
#2 The amount of time it took to report the truck with the puppy in it, sounds more like the ATV rider not wanting to get involved in his neighbor's business than anything else.
#3 Small area, news travels. I'm sure word got around that they were there to buy land, possibly a cash transaction.

Whoever is involved in this gig, needs to be caught. IMO, it is very likely the Jamisons may have found out about the land on Craigslist.

I found the general post about the questionable land sales in the area to be of interest. However, I part with one aspect of it - if the perp were a crooked land seller, he would have taken their money, either by outright theft or theft by deception, i.e. taking their money and handing them a worthless deed.

Here there was no land transaction that we know of and their cash was left behind in the truck. So in my view, and it is just my opinion, the perp was NOT a crooked land seller.

 

[wfgodot]

Well, here appear to be our choices:

* voluntarily disappeared
* murder - suicide or
i) uxoricide
ii) mariticide
iii) filicide
* overcome by elements
* lured by land deal, killed
* former tenant did it
* followed, killed - robbery/revenge
* death by poacher(s)
* death by drug element
i) stumbled onto pot harvest
ii) stumbled onto meth lab
iii) during drug purchase or sale
* random killing
* family-involved murder
-----
* kidnapped, held
* LE involvement

What am I leaving out?

 

[webrocket]

I don't think they stumbled upon a pot field or meth lab, not because they are not in the area rather, the time and place seem off.

There was no pot field or meth lab where the truck was found otherwise LE would have seen it too. Had they stumbled upon a drug operation previously, then I'm not sure they would have been able to leave on their own free will.

Having said that, now that I think about it, it is possible they stumbled across something further up the road and were chased back. I don't recall reading that LE thought the car was run off the road, but it is possible that occurred. After they were pulled over, they were removed and eliminated. Even so, I don't know why the hypothetical druggies would leave the truck on a road that leads to or from their operation. That being said, I am leaning against them being the victim of a drug operation.

 

[wfgodot]

I don't think they stumbled upon a pot field or meth lab, not because they are not in the area rather, the time and place seem off.

There was no pot field or meth lab where the truck was found otherwise LE would have seen it too. Had they stumbled upon a drug operation previously, then I'm not sure they would have been able to leave on their own free will.

Having said that, now that I think about it, it is possible they stumbled across something further up the road and were chased back. I don't recall reading that LE thought the car was run off the road, but it is possible that occurred. After they were pulled over, they were removed and eliminated. Even so, I don't know why the hypothetical druggies would leave the truck on a road that leads to or from their operation. That being said, I am leaning against them being the victim of a drug operation.

Since they'd been to another location first, perhaps they stumbled upon something there - doesn't take long to disassemble a meth lab or to clear a small patch of pot though; anyway, they disappeared long before it was noticed that they had, allowing for plenty of time.

If they were taken, perhaps the perps were worried about returning to the location to remove the truck; perhaps they had been spotted at the scene already. Perhaps they figured that the vehicle would just set there for days, without any questions.

If drugs are the scenario I definitely lean toward meth, as OK is a hardcore meth state with plenty of open spaces for cooking same.

Baffling.

 

[dreamweaver]

I don't think they stumbled upon a pot field or meth lab, not because they are not in the area rather, the time and place seem off.

There was no pot field or meth lab where the truck was found otherwise LE would have seen it too. Had they stumbled upon a drug operation previously, then I'm not sure they would have been able to leave on their own free will.

Having said that, now that I think about it, it is possible they stumbled across something further up the road and were chased back. I don't recall reading that LE thought the car was run off the road, but it is possible that occurred. After they were pulled over, they were removed and eliminated. Even so, I don't know why the hypothetical druggies would leave the truck on a road that leads to or from their operation. That being said, I am leaning against them being the victim of a drug operation.

Photos of truck shows it sitting on the dirt road.
It doesn't look to be a two lane road, and the pickup is in the roadway. Another truck might be able to squeeze by it.
There is an embankment right next to the right.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=11356491
This link has a small pic of the truck.

They did see another property on this trip.