OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #9

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  • #561
They havent been retired that long ,I found where in march or may of this year they had a causes facebook page set up and were asking for donations. The google cache is still available I believe but the page expired itself.

Ummm...Ok, I'm lost.
Q: Causes Page for, Whom? The missing Jamison Family?
Q: By Whom? LE? Sherilyn's friend Niki?

Not sure which you're referring to Soulmagnet, Thanks!

If you the missing Jamison Family and by Niki S. then, I don't know about a "causes pae", but the Find the Jamisons page, and Looking for the Jamisons page are both still up. I just joined the Find the Jamisons page a week or so ago. I know Niki had a yard sale to raise money for the effort. Personally, I've never seen a "fund" set up for donations, but I did track down an address (nothing formal like Bank of X to the Attention of ABC fund/trust, only one person's name and addy info).

-- Praying for the MISSING Jamison Family, Where ever They May Be! --
 
  • #562
Here is the website for OETA TV: http://www.oeta.tv/

They will be airing the story on the missing Jamison family on, Friday September 16, 2011, at 7:PM.

For the people who live out of town, it will be posted on Youtube.

I will 2nd that, "Thank you Little726" for posting the notice. I asked that question earlier on the Finding the Jamison's FB page (as some of Us non-Okie w/TV's *coughs and winks at Wfgodot*..aren't in the coverage area! *smiles* so, Thanks again!

I'm separating out my posts today, as one was "eaten" by the Net earlier (my reply 2 Oriah-so one is coming *winks*). All my fault, not the system, but still it's frustrating to re-do, anyways, just trying to keep w/posts, hence my separate ones at the mo'. *smiles*

-- Praying for the MISSING Jamison Family, Where Ever They May Be!--
 
  • #563
Ummm...Ok, I'm lost.
Q: Causes Page for, Whom? The missing Jamison Family?
Q: By Whom? LE? Sherilyn's friend Niki?

Not sure which you're referring to Soulmagnet, Thanks!

If you the missing Jamison Family and by Niki S. then, I don't know about a "causes pae", but the Find the Jamisons page, and Looking for the Jamisons page are both still up. I just joined the Find the Jamisons page a week or so ago. I know Niki had a yard sale to raise money for the effort. Personally, I've never seen a "fund" set up for donations, but I did track down an address (nothing formal like Bank of X to the Attention of ABC fund/trust, only one person's name and addy info).

-- Praying for the MISSING Jamison Family, Where ever They May Be! --


The cause page for the search and rescue group that retired and is unavailable for proffessional consult with peers.

What address for donations did you track down?

Asking for donations is a public plea which makes the information public ,so you can link us to the address ,or site or post right?
 
  • #564
Ummm...Ok, I'm lost.
Q: Causes Page for, Whom? The missing Jamison Family?
Q: By Whom? LE? Sherilyn's friend Niki?

Not sure which you're referring to Soulmagnet, Thanks!

If you the missing Jamison Family and by Niki S. then, I don't know about a "causes pae", but the Find the Jamisons page, and Looking for the Jamisons page are both still up. I just joined the Find the Jamisons page a week or so ago. I know Niki had a yard sale to raise money for the effort. Personally, I've never seen a "fund" set up for donations, but I did track down an address (nothing formal like Bank of X to the Attention of ABC fund/trust, only one person's name and addy info).

-- Praying for the MISSING Jamison Family, Where ever They May Be! --
I assumed you meant FB but didn't find it there. Do you have a link? TIA...
 
  • #565
AROUND THE STATE WITH OK LE!

Valley Brook police chief charged with drug trafficking
Valley Brook Police Chief Melvin Martin Fisher Jr., 47, was arraigned Wednesday on
charges of drug trafficking and possession charges, according to Creek County court records.


Poster comment: "Par for the course."

More at Daily Oklahoman link above.
 
  • #566
wfgodot!! It wasn't his!
See, he had just busted a drug trafficking ring earlier that week and kinda forgot about the evidence he'd seized and placed in his vehicle...

(Wait, this is sounding kinda familiar. Wonder where the chips are now?)
 
  • #567
Is there something in the water in OK? Except for wfgodot, of course. :angel:
 
  • #568
Is there something in the water in OK? Except for wfgodot, of course. :angel:

Yes. It's a virus. And actually an epidemic in many places, not just OK.

It's called SFYMDTTIGITGW-1.

(Otherwise known as "Stop Flushing Your Meth Down The Toilet It Gets In The Ground Water.")

Fortunately I think wfgodot only drinks bottled water. I don't know about Bobbles though.

Hey- new theory! Maybe that explains how Maizy survived for so long in the truck- she was drinking that water from the cooler! And she wasn't hungry, because she was high. What do ya'll think?
 
  • #569
I think at least that makes some sence...(insert whatever emoticon fits your mood here)
 
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Yes. It's a virus. And actually an epidemic in many places, not just OK.

It's called SFYMDTTIGITGW-1.

(Otherwise known as "Stop Flushing Your Meth Down The Toilet It Gets In The Ground Water.")

Fortunately I think wfgodot only drinks bottled water. I don't know about Bobbles though.

Hey- new theory! Maybe that explains how Maizy survived for so long in the truck- she was drinking that water from the cooler! And she wasn't hungry, because she was high. What do ya'll think?
How funny...I was thinking it must be the meth when I posted that.

And that theory...that's the best one I've heard yet, but did Maizy clean and reorganize the contents of the truck?
 
  • #572
Well, see Maizy first had a little break with reality (due to the water), during which time she tossed the truck. But then when she realized what she'd done, she took some oxycontin in order to calm down. And then she fell asleep for a couple days, which is why no one noticed her for days, and why she did not eat the cheese popcorn. But then she woke up, and had the munchies- so she ate the hotdogs that were in the cooler. But then the whole cycle started over again, because the hotdogs had been sitting in the water in the cooler all that time.
It's a vicious cycle, I tell ya.
A vicious cycle.

Jeez. In all seriousness...poor Madyson. :(
Where are you, little one?
 
  • #573
Your curiosity will not like this then, curiosityscat... because I don't know there to be a blessed thing taken as evidence in the Jamison's case that has remained solely with LE.

Not the money, not the vehicle, not the phones, not the dog, not anything found inside the vehicle, not the case file, not the ICE report, not the ATF report, not the SAR reports, not the keys to the vehicle, not the chips, lol- nothing. Oh- well maybe the prescription bottles are hiding somewhere in a locker.

I think the best we've got is fingerprints. :innocent:

******
Oriah - Ok, sorry, had pre-op testing and I got a bit frustrated having "lost" my last attempt to post my reply to you..so, here goes (again)!

My 1st reaction was, that's just crazy! However, upon further consideration..*shrugs*..I'll say this, and the following is JUST MY OPINION (I do not know the inner working of LE):

* EVIDENCE I UNDERSTAND LE RELEASING:
- TRUCK - they are so small of an agency, I can actually see that without evidence of an actual crime, that they released the vehicle to the next of kin )if that even happened that way), as they would have no where to store the vehicle. Even if they had, where would they securely keep it and for how long would they be required to do so, under what type of liability if it wasn't "maintained" in working condition. I know some/most ppl won't agree with me on this, but I can understand the "logic" behind the vehicle release. I may not think it was the "right" move, but at least there is a thread of common sense to it.
- KEYS - needed to drive the truck, so if they release the truck, duh..*chuckles*
- DOG - Maisy (or is it Maizy?)..Of course they would release the dog, as I'm sure they couldn't actually keep it at the station, and I sure wouldn't want local OK LE (or any other, no offense) left in charge of the care and feeding of a family's pet. It's just that I'm sure a pet (not their own) is not exactly a "priority" to any of them on a daily basis. Hence, someone had to take it. Unfortunately, I'm believe (just my thoughts) that is was probably give the dog to a relative/family member or send it to the pound (which I'm sure would have gone over fabulously with the public and media). Now, should they have first done all they could to collect any evidence on the dog, heck yeah!, do I believe that happened? H*77 No!

* EVIDENCE that should NOT have been RELEASED:
- MONEY - This one is tricky, with no proof of the "missing" family's demise, I feel that they should have maintained the money in evidence, as the true "owners" should have been required to pick it up in person. Lacking that and without a probate court order, it should not have been released to anyone. The actual physical cash serves LE no purpose other than:
--- Taking photos of it
--- Checking for Fingerprints
--- Recording the serial numbers
--- Checking with the banks associated with the found bank bags in the truck and/or the Jamisons known banks, in order to verify the amount given to the Jamisons. Along with checking to see if the cash was provided in sequential numbers, because if it was and if 1/2 the cash given to the Jamisons was missing from the amount found, then at least it would give LE a place to start tracing/tracking down someone who obviously had to have had contact with them at sometime within a day or so of their disappearance.
- CELL PHONES -craziness! There is no reason LE should have released those phone!
- ICE Report (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) - Again, would love for someone to explain this one to me, as in, why exactly there is one? (Other than hey, a person by the name of xyz, and description info. is missing from this area, please contact Mr. Xyz if sighted).
- ATF Report - not sure why there was one. That's Alcohol, Tabbacco, Firearms, and Explosives, so what's up with there being an ATF Report, as there was no Alochol, Tabbaco, Firearms or Explosives involved on this case. An unaccounted for firearm yes (ok, .22 Caliber SN# is 🤬🤬🤬 and reported to be owned by missing person), otherwise, what am I missing?
- TRUCK ITEMS - Stuff inside, papers, clothes, etc. should all have been kept and not released, period, (What LE dept. does that? Sounds crazy to me! I mean you hear about cold cases, and they then look at "evidence", like boxed up, in evidence bags evidence, not just photos!)
- Rx PILL BOTTLES - unquestionably the bottles and any contents
- CHIPS - (well, the BAG anyway! *rolls eyes*..I pretty positive they could do without the cheeses popcorn or whatever it was inside, don't wanna draw "rats" to the OK LE office now do we?)

QUESTIONABLE RELEASES:
- SAR Report - I could see the release of a limited amount of this information, as I would imagine that any search team coordinators would need some information to "go on". However, common sense tells me, give a SAR team a set of coordinates, a map with the area to search and that's it; then accumulate the resulting data and do NOT release that cumulative information from various searches to anyone.

That's my 2 cents if anyone cares to know it! Again, sorry it's taken me a bit to get back on this (and I'll answer Soul's "donation" question too) just had a busy day yesterday, and no feeling so grand today, apparently that fridge full of pre-op yogurt I bought yesterday does not like me, at all..ugh! I hate wasting money like that, that stuff is just too expensive (by the wasted fridge full)! Alrighty, so more later!
 
  • #574
The cause page for the search and rescue group that retired and is unavailable for proffessional consult with peers.

What address for donations did you track down?

Asking for donations is a public plea which makes the information public ,so you can link us to the address ,or site or post right?

In answer to questions by Soulmagnet & Cazzie about donations and the facebook page:

Ok, let me clarify, and I apologize for any confusion.

1st - Prior to today (and having "looked" for it last night and today), I had not seen a request for any donations.
- I have seen that a 'fund raising' breakfast was held in the past.
- I have seen that a 'fund raising' yard sale was held this last weekend.

The address I found previously I did so by just happening upon it. I actually had to look around in order to find any "donation" request address (last night and today), as I said, I had only ever seen a statement of "fund raising" efforts.

I will say there is a " Find the Jamisons" Facebook page with the following description:

"FIND THE JAMISONS - Non-Profit Organization - Midwest City, OK"
FACEBOOK PAGE for Find the Jamisons:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIND-THE-JAMISONS/124182170931194

On the FB page it states the following:
"ANYONE WANTING TO MAKE A DONATION TO HELP FUND SEARCHES, U CAN MAKE A DONATION TO -
FIND THE JAMISONS
TINKER FEDERAL CREDIT UNION
MIDWEST CITY, OKLAHOMA
73110"
URL: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIND-THE-JAMISONS/124182170931194?sk=info

I couldn't find the Organization listed the 1st place I looked on the Oklahoma State Non-profit Organization Search (however, I was not using a "file number", so maybe that's why it didn't show up or maybe it's under a different name than: "Find the Jamisons"):
https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/charityInquiryFind.aspx

With regard to that prior address I found, it's out there, but I'm not comfortable posting that person's specific address info, and it is not the proper "donations" address.

I will say that there is a business listing for Find the Jamisons, as follows:

http://wimgo.com/oklahoma-city-ok/find-the-jamisons/business/708343294

I hope that answers your questions.
 
  • #575
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Oriah - Ok, sorry, had pre-op testing and I got a bit frustrated having "lost" my last attempt to post my reply to you..so, here goes (again)!

My 1st reaction was, that's just crazy! However, upon further consideration..*shrugs*..I'll say this, and the following is JUST MY OPINION (I do not know the inner working of LE):

* EVIDENCE I UNDERSTAND LE RELEASING:
- TRUCK - they are so small of an agency, I can actually see that without evidence of an actual crime, that they released the vehicle to the next of kin )if that even happened that way), as they would have no where to store the vehicle. Even if they had, where would they securely keep it and for how long would they be required to do so, under what type of liability if it wasn't "maintained" in working condition. I know some/most ppl won't agree with me on this, but I can understand the "logic" behind the vehicle release. I may not think it was the "right" move, but at least there is a thread of common sense to it.
- KEYS - needed to drive the truck, so if they release the truck, duh..*chuckles*
- DOG - Maisy (or is it Maizy?)..Of course they would release the dog, as I'm sure they couldn't actually keep it at the station, and I sure wouldn't want local OK LE (or any other, no offense) left in charge of the care and feeding of a family's pet. It's just that I'm sure a pet (not their own) is not exactly a "priority" to any of them on a daily basis. Hence, someone had to take it. Unfortunately, I'm believe (just my thoughts) that is was probably give the dog to a relative/family member or send it to the pound (which I'm sure would have gone over fabulously with the public and media). Now, should they have first done all they could to collect any evidence on the dog, heck yeah!, do I believe that happened? H*77 No!

* EVIDENCE that should NOT have been RELEASED:
- MONEY - This one is tricky, with no proof of the "missing" family's demise, I feel that they should have maintained the money in evidence, as the true "owners" should have been required to pick it up in person. Lacking that and without a probate court order, it should not have been released to anyone. The actual physical cash serves LE no purpose other than:
--- Taking photos of it
--- Checking for Fingerprints
--- Recording the serial numbers
--- Checking with the banks associated with the found bank bags in the truck and/or the Jamisons known banks, in order to verify the amount given to the Jamisons. Along with checking to see if the cash was provided in sequential numbers, because if it was and if 1/2 the cash given to the Jamisons was missing from the amount found, then at least it would give LE a place to start tracing/tracking down someone who obviously had to have had contact with them at sometime within a day or so of their disappearance.
- CELL PHONES -craziness! There is no reason LE should have released those phone!
- ICE Report (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) - Again, would love for someone to explain this one to me, as in, why exactly there is one? (Other than hey, a person by the name of xyz, and description info. is missing from this area, please contact Mr. Xyz if sighted).
- ATF Report - not sure why there was one. That's Alcohol, Tabbacco, Firearms, and Explosives, so what's up with there being an ATF Report, as there was no Alochol, Tabbaco, Firearms or Explosives involved on this case. An unaccounted for firearm yes (ok, .22 Caliber SN# is 🤬🤬🤬 and reported to be owned by missing person), otherwise, what am I missing?
- TRUCK ITEMS - Stuff inside, papers, clothes, etc. should all have been kept and not released, period, (What LE dept. does that? Sounds crazy to me! I mean you hear about cold cases, and they then look at "evidence", like boxed up, in evidence bags evidence, not just photos!)
- Rx PILL BOTTLES - unquestionably the bottles and any contents
- CHIPS - (well, the BAG anyway! *rolls eyes*..I pretty positive they could do without the cheeses popcorn or whatever it was inside, don't wanna draw "rats" to the OK LE office now do we?)

QUESTIONABLE RELEASES:
- SAR Report - I could see the release of a limited amount of this information, as I would imagine that any search team coordinators would need some information to "go on". However, common sense tells me, give a SAR team a set of coordinates, a map with the area to search and that's it; then accumulate the resulting data and do NOT release that cumulative information from various searches to anyone.

That's my 2 cents if anyone cares to know it! Again, sorry it's taken me a bit to get back on this (and I'll answer Soul's "donation" question too) just had a busy day yesterday, and no feeling so grand today, apparently that fridge full of pre-op yogurt I bought yesterday does not like me, at all..ugh! I hate wasting money like that, that stuff is just too expensive (by the wasted fridge full)! Alrighty, so more later!

Curiousitycat, one reason the ATF might have been involved is, Bob Sr. had a bunch of guns missing. Supposedly, Bobby Jr. took them for safe keeping. They are listed in the link I posted for Bob Sr. Will. I would go look for the link, but I have to go out.
 
  • #576
Cazzie said:
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Originally Posted by curiosityscat
Ummm...Ok, I'm lost.
Q: Causes Page for, Whom? The missing Jamison Family?
Q: By Whom? LE? Sherilyn's friend Niki?

Not sure which you're referring to Soulmagnet, Thanks!

If you the missing Jamison Family and by Niki S. then, I don't know about a "causes pae", but the Find the Jamisons page, and Looking for the Jamisons page are both still up. I just joined the Find the Jamisons page a week or so ago. I know Niki had a yard sale to raise money for the effort. Personally, I've never seen a "fund" set up for donations, but I did track down an address (nothing formal like Bank of X to the Attention of ABC fund/trust, only one person's name and addy info).

-- Praying for the MISSING Jamison Family, Where ever They May Be! --
I assumed you meant FB but didn't find it there. Do you have a link? TIA...
curiosity, I meant the "Looking for the Jamisons" page you mentioned. Have a link? I don't think I ever saw that one, and couldn't find it in FB so thought maybe it was a website.

I'm very familiar with the Find the Jamisons FB page.
 
  • #577
WTH?

Valley Brook Police chief stays in job for now despite arrest
Valley Brook police chief will keep his job — for now — following his Labor Day arrest on drug charges in Creek County.
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The affidavit shows that Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers searching the 2000 Cadillac Escalade that Fisher was driving found 20 grams of methamphetamine, an ounce of marijuana, a “large” crack rock, digital scales, four tabs of Ecstasy, and numerous pills that have yet to be identified by authorities.
---
quite a bit more at Daily Oklahoman link above
 
  • #578
wfgodot- I TOLD you. He forgot to explain about the bust, and the subsequent evidence he had seized during it, that he stored in his vehicle! I mean, it happens. Ya know?? I mean, I am really forgetful. Sometimes I can't remember where I left my keys. Or my chips. Sometimes I even forget if I fed the dogs! :banghead:

Jeez, I am frustrated. Can anyone tell??

WTH?

Valley Brook Police chief stays in job for now despite arrest
Valley Brook police chief will keep his job — for now — following his Labor Day arrest on drug charges in Creek County.

quite a bit more at Daily Oklahoman link above
 
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Curiousitycat, one reason the ATF might have been involved is, Bob Sr. had a bunch of guns missing. Supposedly, Bobby Jr. took them for safe keeping. They are listed in the link I posted for Bob Sr. Will. I would go look for the link, but I have to go out.

Little726 -
I do recall hearing about that incident between Bobby Dale Jamison, Sr. and Bobby Jamison, Jr. And while I'm sure those firearms were probably listed on Sr.'s will; I still don't "get" the whole ATF thing. I can't imagine local LE would call out the ATF for a "rumored" .22 that no one had any proof someone having in their possession (unless an empty holster would fall under "proof of current possession") that Shirelyn had on her at the time of her disappearance.
And while I guess as I said earlier, I could get writing an ATF report that a .22 caliber gun, SN# 🤬🤬🤬, was believed to be in possession by Shirely Jamison at the time of her disappearance (no proof), I do not see how that same applies for the firearms Bobby Jr. Is supposed to have taken into safe keeping fir Bobby Sr., Unless those firearms were loaded into their truck (as seen on video surveillance) and the Jamisons had them with them when they all went missing. I'm not saying that is they case, I'm just saying "what if", and that anyone that has seen the entire video would be able to tell. Because if no firearms were found in the truck or home, the best a report could say is that the firearms are presumed "missing", unless LE had traceable SN#'s to report for each. Otherwise, seems like such a report would be futile. As even if a same caliber firearm is used in the future, there is no telling (without someone's direct knowledge of it's origin) that the firearm was one of the "missing" Jamisons firearms, i.e. No way to tie them together, and the pc system would doubtfully make a "match", so what would be the point of the ATF report, as it would be just a bunch of supposition not based on facts, (as that I know of), no one has proof of any of the Jamisons having/possessing the firearms at or around their disappearance.

I find it hard to believe that an ATF report could state any more than Bobby Jr. Was believed to be in possession of. X, Y, and Z, firearms of X-X-X caliber, SN#'s xxxxxx (as in reality, it is all just hearsay anyway, unless any actual firearms were found (in the truck or home, which I know nothing about either way, I'm just saying).

My point is, other than stating general suppositions (as the local LE would have no facts or guns to report unless guns were actually found), so why ever would there "be" an ATF report? I would think LE would need "proof of possession" in order for them to care enough to take the time to write up and submit that type of report to the ATF (and local LE don't seem to be that motivated).

Q: Does anyone have a copy of the ATF Report (or ICE Report) or a link to them they are willing to share (I may have missed)?

Just a point of curiosity on my part, the "why"/justification, was any report written at all (in both the case of the ATF and ICE reports). Although I can understand the ICE 'Be on the Look out For' request if it was that at all.

Just looking for clarity and understanding is all. *smiles*

Thanks for mentioning the Sr. vs. Jr. Firearm incident, I had forgotten about it when I made my earlier post. *smiles*...*thumbs up*..way to keep me on my toes..a good thing! And very helpful, so please feel free to point things out when I miss them. (Easy to get lost in the maze sometimes).

Anyone with the ATF and ICE reports, please share the reports or links.
Thanks and I hope you and yours have a Great Weekend!
 
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