GUILTY OK - Jeremey Lake, 19, fatally shot by off-duty Tulsa PD officer, 5 Aug 2014 *arrest*

[Lovejac]

I personally don't think she's innocent at all. Only Jeremy is innocent in my eyes.

What I can't get past is, if she's been causing such problems for her parents, lying, acting out, etc. Bad enough that they've reached their limit and dropped her off at the homeless shelter, how are they just going to automatically believe her if she tells them Jeremy is hitting her, raped her, prostituting her, whatever?

As for what neighbors and coworkers say about their character? Doesn't mean much to me after following thousands of cases here at WS where people said the same things about convicted murders, rapists and molesters.

Even if she did tell her parents that Jeremy did something horrible to her, I still feel as an officer of the law, ESPECIALLY being an officer of the law, they should have gone through the proper channels, like a regular civilian would have to. Report a crime, file an order of protection, etc. Not try and take the law into their own hands. JMO

 

[SilkySifaka]

And I think the fact he shot at her is being forgotten too. This was a man who wanted to kill. He killed an innocent boy and there is nothing that excuses that, i dont care what she said to him.Call LE if it was something illegal like rape. Shooting at his daughter is a crime too. Maybe he meant to scare her to stop her. Who knows, he didn't hit her. But its not ok.

Daughter can be years of bad, I was years of bad myself as a kid. Thankfully I grew up. gained respect for my parents and love them dearly, but someone could have diagnosed me with rad during the bad years based on actions if not psychology. However I can't think of one thing i did that could excuse my dad for shooting my boyfriend. I think there is an elephant in the room people aren't mentioning, all I will say is it wasn't any surprise to see his fb photo. I expected a difference in race and that could answer all the questions about why dad went off his rocker. Racism still exsists.

 

[Pennyiq]

Lovejac, I agree with you there. I'm not going to say I completely agree with how the situation was handled. But that's very different than thinking he was out for blood just to control his daughter. That latter is first degree murder. The former is probably just manslaughter. Still a crime, still most likely going to get time, but a lesser crime.

SilkySifaka, I don't believe he did shoot at his daughter. I discussed that in my first post. Her stories are extremely inconsistent. Josh's testimony seems unreliable. The alleged graze wound on the younger brother who had been sitting on the porch looks nothing like a bullet graze wound. I read one (and only one) news article that said you could see a mark from a bullet on the house, but it didn't show a picture so I have no faith in it. Especially on a brick house. And even if it was a bullet mark, unless they pulled a bullet from it that they could link to Kepler's gun, how are we supposed to know it wasn't from something else? That isn't exactly a low crime area.

I get that lots of teens are bad. I just don't think you really get what a diagnosis of Reaction Attachment Disorder means. I've worked with RAD kids before. This isn't your typical troubled teen behavior. Most troubled teens get into their mid-20s and start to realize mom and dad weren't evil and actually kinda knew what they were talking about. RAD kids become sociopaths as adults if the RAD isn't effectively treated. HUGE difference. Troubled teens would most likely diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, not RAD.

Symptoms of Attachment Disorder:
-superficially engaging and charming
-indiscriminately affectionate with strangers
-does not trust caregivers or adults in authority
-does not develop morals; no empathy, remorse or compassion
-resists all efforts to nurture or guide them
-acts out negatives, provoking anger in others
-lies, steals, cheats and manipulates
-destructive, cruel, argumentative and hostile
-extreme control problems
-cruel to animals, siblings
-poor peer relationships and lacks a conscience
-tries to separate adults - gets them into fights - divides them
-engages in hoarding or gorging on food
-has a preoccupation with fire, blood and gore

Compare to signs of a sociopath: http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/sociopath-symptoms.html

Again, some typical "troubled teens" can seem to do this (lie, manipulate), but it's on a totally different level. Plus, RAD is usually diagnosed before the teenage years.

Setting up a confrontation like this would be consistent with a RAD kid or sociopath adult. I'm not saying she intended for Jeremey to die, but I do think she intended there to be some kind of confrontation.

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/victims-family-waits-charges-against-officer-coupl/ng36B/

We learned today the Tulsa County DA’s office hasn’t filed charges yet against the off-duty officer who shot and killed his daughter’s boyfriend last week...

They say they believe the District Attorney will charge the Shannon and Gina Kepler with what they deserve—and aren’t worried the fact that they’re police officers will cloud anybody’s judgment. “Whatever the circumstances, he’s the one that pulled the trigger and took his life. And he needs to pay,” says Wilkins. “We just want them to do the right thing. They know what the right thing is,” says Morse.

While they wait, they’re urging their community to channel their anger and pray for all involved.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_30f66b57-db5d-5dc5-8424-12e0e9de24d1.html

The memorials stand as visible reminders of the shooting that took the 19-year-old’s life, but family members and friends are trying to move beyond the tragedy and are preaching forgiveness, even as they seek it themselves...

“As time goes on, we are working and really praying to forgive this person who took Jeremey’s life,” Wilkins said. “And it will come to pass”...

Wilkins said she harbors no ill will toward the Tulsa Police Department, nor does she hold it responsible for the loss of her nephew because both officers were off duty when he was killed. “We still have a lot of trust and respect, because there’s many wonderful men and women in law enforcement who take that oath to obey, protect and serve — and they do a wonderful job,” Wilkins said. “My prayers go out to a lot of them, too, because people were just shocked on both sides.”

http://www.newson6.com/story/262888...eportedly-shot-killed-by-tulsa-police-officer

Few details have come out since the arrest of off duty officer Shannon Kepler, who is accused of the murder. His wife Gina was arrested as an accessory, but she’s now bonded out of jail.

Lake's family said they believe they'll get justice in the case and they're willing to wait for it.

"I'd like to have it right now, but I'm just letting it take it like it’s supposed to, do the court thing, let them file the reports and keep us informed about what's going to go on and hear the facts and let the truth come out,” said Lake’s father, Carl Morse.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

~Snipped for space~ Daddy should have been enjoying a beer and or a nice dinner in peace and quiet.

Jmo.

Even if he could have been doing something along those lines, I have to assume he was actually worried sick about his daughter and how she was living on the streets. I would go so far to say it seems he was consumed with it. It probably made the situation a million times worse as a police officer knowing for a fact what lurks around the dark corners of the city and the likelihood his daughter would have chosen this lifestyle with or without his tough love approach.

 

[Woodland]

Seems to me daddy took her to the shelter, effectively putting his daughter on the streets. I agree he may have been consumed with something, but worried sick about how his daughter was living on the streets? Worry seems contrary to his first action and it doesn't seem to be an action she chose, rather it was chosen for her.

I suspect the daughter was suppose to stay at the shelter, in his opinion, and be uncomfortable and do without until she asked her parents if she could come home. Her personality, or lack of it (which I have not seen stated by a professional btw) can't be used by her father as a defense to shoot some guy she met and moved on from the shelter with. Not on the USA anyway.

Anyway, he won't be able to exercise control of her or anyone else for the foreseeable future.

Jmo.

 

[Pennyiq]

Woodland, why do you think he is that controlling? Is there one single thing out there suggesting he was a controlling person? I honestly don't see how you can assume that based on what other people have said about him - including other cops. It seems like you've decided what you think happened and are filling in the holes with whatever evidence is needed to make it fit instead of looking at the evidence to decide what happened. That's extremely dangerous.

 

[Woodland]

Seems your question is directed at the poster Pennyiq rather than the post. So I'll pass.

 

[Gardenlady]

Holy crap, this is messed up.

This poor family has lost a lovely young man because of these two poor excuses for parents. Who the hell puts their kid out in a homeless shelter when they don't need to be?! They're cops, they have to know the ish that goes down I some of those places!! :facepalm:

And who the hell murders the kid their daughter is with?! Cripes! Thank god these two are no longer policing the streets or parenting kids!


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[Pennyiq]

You'll pass at helping me understand why people, including you, assume he's a controlling person? Why? It would be hypocritical of me to criticize people for not considering all the evidence in drawing their conclusions if I didn't seek out all the information myself. My conclusions are open to change if evidence suggests they are incorrect. I won't stand by them til I'm blue in the face. I'll stand by them until I'm shown a reason I shouldn't, and I'm asking you to show me that reason. If you're going off your personal feelings or a gut reaction, that's fine. I'll respect that as long as everyone is honest about what it is. I won't challenge it. But so long as I think we're all operating under the principle that evidence should guide conclusions, and not the other way around, then we should all be challenging each other, and responding to questions. That's how different ideas and possibilities come to light.

 

[SilkySifaka]

You'll pass at helping me understand why people, including you, assume he's a controlling person? Why? It would be hypocritical of me to criticize people for not considering all the evidence in drawing their conclusions if I didn't seek out all the information myself. My conclusions are open to change if evidence suggests they are incorrect. I won't stand by them til I'm blue in the face. I'll stand by them until I'm shown a reason I shouldn't, and I'm asking you to show me that reason. If you're going off your personal feelings or a gut reaction, that's fine. I'll respect that as long as everyone is honest about what it is. I won't challenge it. But so long as I think we're all operating under the principle that evidence should guide conclusions, and not the other way around, then we should all be challenging each other, and responding to questions. That's how different ideas and possibilities come to light.

Well I am not wood land but a couple of things stand out to me re controlling.
1. He gave his daughter to a homeless shelter, a place rife with sex abuse and drugs. There is no excuse. It isn't tough love, its putting her in a situation that is likely she will get raped or abused.
2. He shot the boy he saw his daughter with (who luckily had managed to move out of the shelter and in with him). I can see only 3 reasons, race, loss of face because daughter was getting on fine without him or fury that someone decided to look after her.
3. He shot at her.
4. He is LE, he is taught to always be in control but more it makes him especially culpable as he knows the dangers she was put in and he knows gun safety and he knows you don't shoot people even IF daughter had said something he didn't like about young man. If it was a crime, call for back up.

I would definitely say controlling.

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news...-killed-daughter-boyfriend-tulsa-ok/14258993/

Tulsa prosecutors formally charged Shannon Kepler Monday with the Aug. 5 killing of 19-year-old Jeremey Lake. Kepler was also charged with one count of shooting with intent to kill because prosecutors say he shot at his daughter during an alleged confrontation in which Lake was killed.

Kepler's wife, Gina Kepler, was not charged Monday because prosecutors said there wasn't evidence to support it. She'd been arrested along with her husband on a complaint of being an accessory after the fact of murder

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/tulsa-police-officer-charged-lakes-family-relieved/ng5Gs/

The family of a Tulsa shooting victim believes police are on the right track. Those who knew Jeremey Lake have been hoping for justice. Now charges have been filed against Tulsa police Officer Shannon Kepler, who is suspected of firing the fatal shot.

Lake's family members said the last few weeks have been hard for them. Monday, they said they were finally able to take a small sigh of relief.

Kepler is being charged with first-degree murder and shooting with intent to kill.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

TPD Officer Shannon Kepler Pleads Not Guilty In Tulsa Teen's Death

Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:16 AM CST
Updated: Aug 19, 2014 11:27 AM CST

Shannon Kepler's attorney says they have a perfect defense.

He says the only two eye witnesses are teenagers - one with a mental disorder and one with a history of mental illness and violence.

"There is not one credible eyewitness at the scene. This is all about politics, and it's ugly," said Richard O'Carroll, Shannon Kepler's attorney.

http://www.newson6.com/story/263167...kepler-pleads-not-guilty-in-tulsa-teens-death

 

[Woodland]

So was SK at the scene or not? Did SK fire the gun or not? He hid his vehicle from LE for a few days until LE found it - was the weapon that killed Mr Lake in it?

Maybe this will get political and ugly.

 

[OkieGranny]

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/kepler-released-jail-bond

A veteran Tulsa police officer, charged in the off-duty fatal shooting of his daughter's boyfriend, is out of jail on a bond of $825,000.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see it getting political. It is already ugly.

I want to hear his defense. Maybe it will explain a few things or raise other questions, but his attorney seems to believe whatever it is will help him.

 

[OkieGranny]

http://atlantadailyworld.com/2014/0...ith-murder-of-teen-daughters-black-boyfriend/

Judge Cliff Smith also ordered 54-year-old Shannon Kepler to turn over any firearms in his house to authorities if he were to post bond; not leave Tulsa County unless he had written permission from the court; and make no attempts to contact either his daughter, Lisa Kepler, or family members of the victim, 19-year-old Jeremey Lake.

Prosecutor Steve Kunzweiler sought a bond of $1.5 million for the first-degree murder and shooting with intent to kill charges, telling Smith during a hearing that Kepler planned the shooting and “tried to get away with it” after the alleged crime occurred.

 

[Woodland]

Found this article interesting -

He cited the reason for keeping quiet as a truce he made with the district attorney’s office.

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...hannon-kepler-remains-quiet-over-case-details

Yet lawyer O'Carroll speaks out later claiming no reliable witness exists due to 'mental issues'.

http://www.newson6.com/story/263167...kepler-pleads-not-guilty-in-tulsa-teens-death

Kepler's attorney says the only two eye witnesses are teenagers - one with a mental disorder and one with a history of mental illness and violence.

Ripping apart a witness for a mental disorder seems out of line imo - SK was there and fired a gun or he wasn't there and didn't fire a gun. He can't be there and fire a gun, only to get off because a witness has issues. Why did he turn himself in? Why did he hide his vehicle?

 

[Linda7NJ]

This case is fascinating.


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