GUILTY OK - Jeremey Lake, 19, fatally shot by off-duty Tulsa PD officer, 5 Aug 2014 *arrest*

[Pennyiq]

I'm confused about everyone continuously claiming he hid the gun and the car. The gun was turned over to police the day after the shooting by Kepler's attorney. They literally handed the smoking gun over to the cops. If they wanted to hide it or destroy it, they could have.

Same thing with the car. It was parked somewhere in a parking lot accessible to the public. Just because cops didn't know where and SK wouldn't tell them doesn't mean it was hidden. He has a constitutional right to remain silent and I'm sure his attorney told him not to answer any questions. Using the word "hidden" suggests that it was their intent at the time to put it some place it wouldn't be found. Again, if they'd wanted to hide the car, they could have. All they would have had to do is park it in someone's garage and close the door. Or take the license plate off. Or drive it somewhere obscure out of town. Or drive it into a lake. Leaving it in a parking lot in Tulsa city limits is hardly "hiding" it. Why was it there? I don't know. It was at a hotel, right? Maybe that's where SK met up with his lawyer to talk about everything before the lawyer drove him to the jail to turn himself in.

Why did he turn himself in? Because the alternative was to be arrested by the police in public or to try to run and hide from them. You're accusing him of hiding evidence (which is a false description of what actually happened) and criticizing him for NOT hiding from the cops.

Discrediting someone as a reliable witness just because they have mental health issues is wrong. But on the other hand, some mental health issues can potentially make someone a legitimately unreliable witness. It depends on the issues and the context, and we don't have enough information at this time to know which it is.

And I don't think they are claiming his defense is that the witness has mental health and/or credibility issues. I think they are claiming that he has a defense, and also that the witness has credibility issues.

 

[colette]

I see a plea bargain in the future.

 

[Woodland]

Why did he turn himself in? Because the alternative was to be arrested by the police in public or to try to run and hide from them.[/B] You're accusing him of hiding evidence (which is a false description of what actually happened) and criticizing him for NOT hiding from the cops.

Snipped, bolded and underlined by me - is this inside info or your opinion? Find it difficult to tell from the post. His mindset is a mystery to most at the moment. Imo.

Have not read a post here criticizing 'not' hiding from the cops. Maybe a link would help. Tia.

 

[Woodland]

Further to the defense lawyers comments - imo I thought the 'mental health' issues he cited was a direct threat to the witnesses. In other words, I read the comments as, you have past issues, so I will put you on the stand and tear you limb from limb in front of the public at large. Imo - very nasty. Who is the lawyer to say that at this point in time?

Hiding the vehicle seemed childish to me - jmo.

 

[Woodland]

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...tulsa-shooting-at-100-block-of-north-maybelle

From link at post #1 -


Kepler fled in a black 2007 Suburban, police say.

According to the police report, investigators called the Keplers and spoke with Gina, who said she and her husband would surrender to police, leaving the gun in the trunk of her car; however, investigators have been unable to locate the car and the weapon.

Police say the Keplers are not cooperating with the search for the vehicle and weapon.

I always park my vehicle in my driveway or garage when I'm not using it.

 

[Lovejac]

From link at post #1 -


Kepler fled in a black 2007 Suburban, police say.

According to the police report, investigators called the Keplers and spoke with Gina, who said she and her husband would surrender to police, leaving the gun in the trunk of her car; however, investigators have been unable to locate the car and the weapon.

Police say the Keplers are not cooperating with the search for the vehicle and weapon.

I always park my vehicle in my driveway or garage when I'm not using it.

Hmm. So they did hide the car and the weapon.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Aunt of Jeremey Lake says witness of Kepler case is asking for money to give testimony

TULSA - Aunt of Jeremey Lake says a witness is asking for money in return for his testimony.

~Snip~

Pamala Wilkens, aunt of Jeremey Lake, says Mills and his wife have called her several times and left threatening messages.

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...er-case-is-asking-for-money-to-give-testimony

Seems they were given a Protective Order against Josh Mills so they must have been able to document/record the calls to show a Judge. Way to invalidate testimony! Wow.

 

[nightwatch]

Aunt of Jeremey Lake says witness of Kepler case is asking for money to give testimony

TULSA - Aunt of Jeremey Lake says a witness is asking for money in return for his testimony.

~Snip~

Pamala Wilkens, aunt of Jeremey Lake, says Mills and his wife have called her several times and left threatening messages.

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...er-case-is-asking-for-money-to-give-testimony

Seems they were given a Protective Order against Josh Mills so they must have been able to document/record the calls to show a Judge. Way to invalidate testimony! Wow.

This case is odd in many ways, the daughter and now a witness demanding money. Hmm.. Jmo

ciao

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_18d43ac8-3feb-5230-bb2d-9af10860562d.html

The teenager shot and killed allegedly by an off-duty Tulsa police officer last month died as a result of two gunshot wounds, one of which traveled through his heart after entering through his neck, according to an autopsy report released Tuesday...

The knife, according to the autopsy report, was a black pocketknife that was in the right front pocket of Lake’s cargo pants.

Lake, according to the report, had no alcohol or drugs in his system when he was killed.

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_18d43ac8-3feb-5230-bb2d-9af10860562d.html

So the knife wasn't even out when they killed him

 

[colette]

From OkieGranny's link:

Kepler, according to testimony given by police investigators during that bond hearing, had inside his home a report detailing a time Lake had been arrested while still a juvenile. On that report, police said, Kepler had hand-written Lake’s address, the home outside where he ultimately died.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_18d43ac8-3feb-5230-bb2d-9af10860562d.html

 

[Woodland]

So Kepler looked up JL's juvenile record (only available to LE), found his address and drove over to his house with a loaded gun. Then fired it at JL and his own daughter.

Serious control issues on the part of Kepler, imo, considering he had removed his daughter from his home a short time prior to the shooting. Wonder how he is spending his time awaiting trial.

 

[Hatfield]

So Kepler looked up JL's juvenile record (only available to LE), found his address and drove over to his house with a loaded gun. Then fired it at JL and his own daughter.

Serious control issues on the part of Kepler, imo, considering he had removed his daughter from his home a short time prior to the shooting. Wonder how he is spending his time awaiting trial.

All JMO of course...
Yea, everything I read about the male officer is that he just got very angry once he found out the daughter was seeing this guy and I think he even told her to stay away from him before that day.

It sounds to me that once he found out she was not at the shelter on that particular day, he just went over to his house and found them both there, and in a fit of rage shot at both of them. Killing the boy and missing the girl.

And its not like he turned himself in right away. The wife first said she would bring the gun in her trunk to LE and she shows up without the gun. His vehicle goes missing and he does too at least for X number of hours after the murder.

I am disappointed he was allowed bail at all since I have not seen any evidence to suggest he had any good reason to kill this boy and shoot at the girl. It seems cold blooded murder IMO.

I had read where it was known they were very strict with their children. Its one thing to be strict but its quite another to shoot at or towards your children when they dont do what you want them to.

Again, all just my opinion based on reading about this case.

 

[Woodland]

Can't help but see Kepler went ballistic when he found out his daughter had left the shelter he dropped her off at, and instead was living at the residence of the new bf. Kepler's actions of tracking down the bf's address and taking the loaded gun over there seem to stem from his realization his daughter had left the shelter. His daughter wasn't as miserable as he wanted her to be?

Have no idea how he could consider that a problem - for him. Cold blooded murder looks correct to me as well Hatfield.

 

[menmo]

I'm going to withhold judgement on the parents right now.
We have no idea how bad things had gotten with their daughter, if there were phone calls or threats made to the parents. We just don't know. Sometimes when people have done everything they can for someone they really can and do snap.
No, that doesn't make it okay but it could make it understandable to me if he was at his breaking point and she just kept pushing.


JMO

 

[Woodland]

Problem is, if the daughter kept pushing, why look up the juvenile record of the new bf? Then track down his address with a loaded weapon in his vehicle? He needed the juvenile record to find his current address? Then pick up that loaded weapon and shoot the bf who was standing near his vehicle?

Why not just let the phone ring? Being the adult and all.

The new bf was contributing to the happiness of his daughter imo, and that pissed him off to no end. She was suppose to be miserable in his plan, imo.

Daddy had control and anger issues imo. Mom sleeping in her cruiser while on duty? Depression imo.

 

[menmo]

Problem is, if the daughter kept pushing, why look up the juvenile record of the new bf? Then track down his address with a loaded weapon in his vehicle? He needed the juvenile record to find his current address? Then pick up that loaded weapon and shoot the bf who was standing near his vehicle?

Why not just let the phone ring? Being the adult and all.

The new bf was contributing to the happiness of his daughter imo, and that pissed him off to no end. She was suppose to be miserable in his plan, imo.

Daddy had control and anger issues imo. Mom sleeping in her cruiser while on duty? Depression imo.

I agree about being the adult and all but for the life of me I think the daughter might have kept coming around, bothering the sister, coming in the house, etc. and making herself and her boyfriend at home while they weren't home. I just keep thinking there must be so much more to this than a mad dad. We don't know if phone calls were made by the daughter or the boyfriend saying do this or we'll do this, to the sister, or any other family member. I've watched her FB and she seems like she is walking on a street of destruction and I don't think that happened because of this situation but because she chose that walk before she ever left their home. I personally think if this boy had a juvenile record that alone is more worrisome. I don't see it as he went to hunt him down and kill him and I don't believe he shot at his daughter trying to kill her either. I just can't get there on this one.
Mom sleeping in her cruiser while on duty? Maybe she can't get any sleep worrying about this daughter.

ETA: I hope I'm right and there is much more to this story and he was pushed over the edge. If not then God help us all.


All JMO

 

[Woodland]

In that case, I would have to ask myself what would a rational person do if they thought someone was entering their house when they were not home?

There is no evidence someone was entering the Keppler home while they were not there - so same speculation as the question.

Imo, maybe planning for some help would be in order? Although this would not be the first cop to go over the edge and ignore his oath. They are people and 'it' happens.

So far the daughter is a victim - she was shot at by her father, at least according to the charges. Her behavior at other times and in other situations may come back and bite her later in life. Who cares? Being shot at, at that moment is not her behavior issue. Imo that is. Mind you, I recently saw a 'viral' video of a really dumb girl (imo) acting like a fool on a subway in New York and the situation escalated to a brawl due to her behavior - she is lucky not to have been shot imo.

Seems to me, on both sides of the 49th parallel, cops can't be wrong to some people. Some just can't comprehend that sometimes they are. Jmo.

 

[Woodland]

In that case, I would have to ask myself what would a rational person do if they thought someone was entering their house when they were not home?

There is no evidence someone was entering the Keppler home while they were not there - so same speculation as the question.

Imo, maybe planning for some help would be in order? Although this would not be the first cop to go over the edge and ignore his oath. They are people and 'it' happens.

So far the daughter is a victim - she was shot at by her father, at least according to the charges. Her behavior at other times and in other situations may come back and bite her later in life. Who cares? Being shot at, at that moment is not her behavior issue. Imo that is. Mind you, I recently saw a 'viral' video of a really dumb girl (imo) acting like a fool on a subway in New York and the situation escalated to a brawl due to her behavior - she is lucky not to have been shot imo.

Seems to me, on both sides of the 49th parallel, cops can't be wrong to some people. Some just can't comprehend that sometimes they are. Jmo.

 

[menmo]

In that case, I would have to ask myself what would a rational person do if they thought someone was entering their house when they were not home?

There is no evidence someone was entering the Keppler home while they were not there - so same speculation as the question.

Imo, maybe planning for some help would be in order? Although this would not be the first cop to go over the edge and ignore his oath. They are people and 'it' happens.

So far the daughter is a victim - she was shot at by her father, at least according to the charges. Her behavior at other times and in other situations may come back and bite her later in life. Who cares? Being shot at, at that moment is not her behavior issue. Imo that is. Mind you, I recently saw a 'viral' video of a really dumb girl (imo) acting like a fool on a subway in New York and the situation escalated to a brawl due to her behavior - she is lucky not to have been shot imo.

Seems to me, on both sides of the 49th parallel, cops can't be wrong to some people. Some just can't comprehend that sometimes they are. Jmo.

I believe that cops can be wrong, they're only human.
I've dealt with a difficult child, now adult. It's like hanging on by a shoestring sometimes wondering what's next.
There is never any justification with me, in any situation to harm someone, unless yours or another persons life is in danger.

JMO