OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

[Oriah]

Good to hear that you're still in contact... I just can't imagine what they're going through. I can't remember if I mentioned this previously, but Lauria's dad reminds me so much of my dad... After seeing their cases on Vanished with Beth Holloway and Unsolved Mysteries. It's almost like they could be brothers... Just based on how Mr. Bible talked and acted. It made me even more connected to this sad case.

Do you know if Lauria's mom is interested in joining WS? Also, Oriah, do you know if any large-scale searches are being planned in the future? I saw in the past that you got the ball rolling. If any type of search is planned, please let me know... I'd love to help.

For some reason, I have a feeling that the killing of the nurse, DeAnna Dorsey, has something to do with all of this. This is rural, northeastern Oklahoma. A random shooting like that, with her connections to everything, just seems really, really odd... Especially since it happened right after she got back from taping in California. Sorry if this has been repeated, but something about the nurse shooting really makes me wonder.
And that, again, leads me to LE. The former mental patient of the hospital shoots her to death, after the taping, and the police show up and shoot him to death. Something just doesn't fit there.
But, it's obvious Jeremy Jones knows something. This would be a lot easier if I wasn't questioning LE involvement.

BBM: Omg- a large scale search in Oklahoma? I'm sorry- did you mean to say a manhunt? That's about the only way to drum up a large scale search in OK, in my experience.
(Which, btw, I don't understand, because most of the Oklahomans that I know are lovely, caring people who help one another out.)

Small scale searches, however- now that we've had luck with.

 

[wfgodot]

The fire was reported at 6:00 AM by a motorist. I can't remember Jeremy Jones' release and lock-up times exactly, and can't find them. I know it was stated on the Vanished with Beth Holloway episode that aired... The agent for OSBI stated that it would've been hard for Jones to start the fire, commit the murders, and hide the bodies.

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Ottawa County deputies had arrested Jeremy B. Jones at 3:59 a.m. on Dec. 30, 1999, 2 1/2 hours before the mobile home where Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman had been staying was found on fire, court records show.
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According to Ottawa County Jail records, Jones remained in jail until 10:23 a.m. Dec. 30, 1999, when a bond agent secured his release on charges of public drunkenness and possession of drug paraphernalia.
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http://bit.ly/tUoW6f

good collections of full articles about the case, no longer available from their original publishers online,

are here: http://bit.ly/vf28hN

and here: http://bit.ly/rMP73H

 

[Oriah]

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good collections of full articles about the case, no longer available from their original publishers online,

are here: http://bit.ly/vf28hN

and here: http://bit.ly/rMP73H

I was never able to track down this bondsperson. Anyone else have any luck with that?

 

[M86]

Thank you, Oriah and wfgodot...
My initial suspicions may be correct. My jaw is on the floor right now.

 

[Oriah]

Thank you, Oriah and wfgodot...
My initial suspicions may be correct. My jaw is on the floor right now.

Ya'll, I have been tossing around the idea of trying to nail this case down a bit by branching out to the Shawnee and Seneca-Cayuga tribes and their tribal tribunals. Cherokee, despite a great connection, has not produced much just yet (except a lot of concern over drugs. )
Any thoughts on this? wfgodot?

 

[M86]

Ya'll, I have been tossing around the idea of trying to nail this case down a bit by branching out to the Shawnee and Seneca-Cayuga tribes and their tribal tribunals. Cherokee, despite a great connection, has not produced much just yet (except a lot of concern over drugs. )
Any thoughts on this? wfgodot?

Oriah, do you believe that someone from the tribes/reservations are involved? I've read that it's difficult to do searches due to the reservations. I know that NE Oklahoma/SE Kansas is a vast countryside of little.

 

[Soulmagent]

Can anyone tell me why they do not think Tommy Sells could have commited this crime?

I myself cannot remove him as a possible culprit in this case. The only thing that bugs me about this the missing collection.

Tommy sold cars worked on cars ,etc.. Tommy commited murders of people mostly in mobil homes ,Tommy claimed he did this, he also said he would not go to another trial so his leading the investigtors arround could be an intentional misdirect. Or he could have wanted extra attention. Tommy cleaned up his evidence from crime scene ,the abscene of water would have prevented that from happening ,which would explain why Tommy might have lite a fire. Tommy also seemed to like dogs.

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, do you believe that someone from the tribes/reservations are involved? I've read that it's difficult to do searches due to the reservations. I know that NE Oklahoma/SE Kansas is a vast countryside of little.

It is a NIGHTMARE.
It's like having to get permission from 1000 different (and very territorial) gods.

And if you manage to accomplish that, and you FIND something? Good luck in notifying the appropriate deity.
Because this is what you usually get: :Bennymonkey:

 

[Oriah]

Can anyone tell me why they do not think Tommy Sells could have commited this crime?

I myself cannot remove him as a possible culprit in this case. The only thing that bugs me about this the missing collection.

Tommy sold cars worked on cars ,etc.. Tommy commited murders of people mostly in mobil homes ,Tommy claimed he did this, he also said he would not go to another trial so his leading the investigtors arround could be an intentional misdirect. Or he could have wanted extra attention. Tommy cleaned up his evidence from crime scene ,the abscene of water would have prevented that from happening ,which would explain why Tommy might have lite a fire. Tommy also seemed to like dogs.

I think it's possible that Sells commited this crime.
But some of the things that hang me up about him are:
I think he would have taken the purse. I think he would have taken anything of monetary value (but not the arrowhead collection- I don't think he would have known it's value, unless he was told by the Freemans.) And if whoever stole the arrowhead collection intended to use it for financial purposes, I think they would have pawned it somewhere in OK.
Also I don't think he would have taken the girls with him- I think he would have assaulted in the home and then murdered them there.
The LE involvement in the case is...inescapable, imvho.

And I think he's made a lot of false confessions, intermingled with real.
What I can't understand about Sells, is why he would do that.

 

[M86]

I think it's possible that Sells commited this crime.
But some of the things that hang me up about him are:
I think he would have taken the purse. I think he would have taken anything of monetary value (but not the arrowhead collection- I don't think he would have known it's value, unless he was told by the Freemans.) And if whoever stole the arrowhead collection intended to use it for financial purposes, I think they would have pawned it somewhere in OK.
Also I don't think he would have taken the girls with him- I think he would have assaulted in the home and then murdered them there.
The LE involvement in the case is...inescapable, imvho.

And I think he's made a lot of false confessions, intermingled with real.
What I can't understand about Sells, is why he would do that.

I'm not entirely familiar with Sells. Was he in the area? I know he admitted to this crime. Does he have any solid connections with NE Oklahoma?

And yes... I just can't escape the LE suspicions... Way too many things add up, and local LE/OSBI do not have the best track record.

 

[Soulmagent]

Yes Sells has a solid OK connection,and a reported drug connection. The missing collection does not match up with his method ,that said neither would missing purse. I have only heard about murder weapons ever being taken from his crime scenes.
He was also known to remove victims from their homes and cover evidence of his crimes. Another thing that hits home with Tommy is that the pattern of his murders often occur (or alledged to have occurred) in consecutive days of one another. The murder of Katy Harris happend the day after this murder. That murder resulted in his conviction to death row.



http://www.allserialkillers.com/tommy_lynn_sells.htm

I also do not think it is impossible that Tommy lynn sells did not have "friends " in LE in this part of oklahoma. I would venture to guess though the automotive dealer in which he worked as well as the drug trade. that however is purly speculation.:waitasec:

 

[wfgodot]

Ya'll, I have been tossing around the idea of trying to nail this case down a bit by branching out to the Shawnee and Seneca-Cayuga tribes and their tribal tribunals. Cherokee, despite a great connection, has not produced much just yet (except a lot of concern over drugs. )
Any thoughts on this? wfgodot?

Whoa! sorry, missed this. Probably the only way that tribal help would be especially forthcoming is if one of the missing persons were a tribal member, and I am not sure if either Lauria or Ashley were.

Even then - well, even then, and not to be cynical, but good luck with tribal involvement. Anything in it for them?

 

[Oriah]

Whoa! sorry, missed this. Probably the only way that tribal help would be especially forthcoming is if one of the missing persons were a tribal member, and I am not sure if either Lauria or Ashley were.

Even then - well, even then, and not to be cynical, but good luck with tribal involvement. Anything in it for them?

Technically, Lauria is I guess.
*sigh*

I already hit up the Cherokee with the arrowhead collection (among other issues.) They seemed to have an interest in that. Maybe others will too? Someone made some $$ off of it somewhere- and that's sacred stuff to some.

ok- back to beatin' that dead horse...

 

[wfgodot]

Technically, Lauria is I guess.
*sigh*

I already hit up the Cherokee with the arrowhead collection (among other issues.) They seemed to have an interest in that. Maybe others will too? Someone made some $$ off of it somewhere- and that's sacred stuff to some.

ok- back to beatin' that dead horse...

Oh yeah, forgot about the arrowheads - they "melted in the fire," I think was OSBI's take on that, along with all glass and other things possibly related to their display. (Or wound up in someone's trunk and were carted out of there.) Tangible item, those arrowheads!

 

[M86]

Oh yeah, forgot about the arrowheads - they "melted in the fire," I think was OSBI's take on that, along with all glass and other things possibly related to their display. (Or wound up in someone's trunk and were carted out of there.) Tangible item, those arrowheads!

I think I read something about the arrowheads being "melted" in the fire... which, to me, is absolutely ridiculous. It'd be interesting to know if Ashley's money in the Tupperware container in the freezer was found or not. If it was, it'd provide a little insight... If it is missing, the person/persons responsible for all of this must have knew the family very well. Would a fire like that melt a fridge/freezer?

Thank you everyone for the dialogue... This case disturbs me so much. The fact that an entire family (4 people), and a nurse (if she is connected) are dead just makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Oriah]

Oh yeah, forgot about the arrowheads - they "melted in the fire," I think was OSBI's take on that, along with all glass and other things possibly related to their display. (Or wound up in someone's trunk and were carted out of there.) Tangible item, those arrowheads!

Yeah, uh huh. The OSBI needs to brush up on their arson investigation skills.

I actually did a ridiculous amount of research on the arrowhead collection a couple of years back, trying to figure out where they would be. It's a key piece of evidence in my mind.
Even called a couple of anthropologists to try and figure out if it's possible they 'melted' in the fire (they laughed at me.)
Then I called a friend who's a fire dept chief- we work with accelerant dogs sometimes- to see what the practical impact of an accelerant would have on the collection. He laughed at me too, and said "Bone and stone. What do you think?"

Final analysis: the arrowheads did not 'melt' in the fire, OSBI. Find them, and we've found the trail to the murderer(s).

 

[M86]

Yeah, uh huh. The OSBI needs to brush up on their arson investigation skills.

I actually did a ridiculous amount of research on the arrowhead collection a couple of years back, trying to figure out where they would be. It's a key piece of evidence in my mind.
Even called a couple of anthropologists to try and figure out if it's possible they 'melted' in the fire (they laughed at me.)
Then I called a friend who's a fire dept chief- we work with accelerant dogs sometimes- to see what the practical impact of an accelerant would have on the collection. He laughed at me too, and said "Bone and stone. What do you think?"

Final analysis: the arrowheads did not 'melt' in the fire, OSBI. Find them, and we've found the trail to the murderer(s).

I really wish the FBI would have been called in. Is it too late? Sigh... Probably.

 

[Oriah]

bumping for Ashley and Lauria:
Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible Part 1 UM - YouTube

 

[M86]

bumping for Ashley and Lauria:
Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible Part 1 UM - YouTube

Thank you, for posting that. I've seen the youtubes of the Robert Stack versions. I've seen the Dennis Farina's Unsolved Mysteries on TV on this. And on Vanished with Beth Holloway, but I think her show tanked.

Unfortunately, my DVR took a crap, and I lost the UM episode, and the Vanished episode. The Vanished episode was great... I just can't find it online now.

I wonder what OSBI is doing, currently, about this case? This just needs to be solved. This case screams epic fail on LE. Have the Bible family consulted a private investigator?

 

[Oriah]

Thank you, for posting that. I've seen the youtubes of the Robert Stack versions. I've seen the Dennis Farina's Unsolved Mysteries on TV on this. And on Vanished with Beth Holloway, but I think her show tanked.

Unfortunately, my DVR took a crap, and I lost the UM episode, and the Vanished episode. The Vanished episode was great... I just can't find it online now.

I wonder what OSBI is doing, currently, about this case? This just needs to be solved. This case screams epic fail on LE. Have the Bible family consulted a private investigator?

It does scream epic fail, and I don't say that often considering I am very supportive (and usually defensive) of LE. But really...how do you leave an unstable crime or accident scene to be 'processed' by private individuals- and family none the less.

As for hiring a PI- I believe they have in the past.