Found Deceased OK - Mark Chastain - Billy Chastain - Mike Sparks - Alex Stevens - Left A Home on Bicycles - Okmulgee *arrest* #2

[FrostedGlass]

Lets ask another question where were the four men before the ping was produced at the salvage yard? Were they on a bike trail and if so how close was it to the salvage yard? Where are their bikes. Where are those trailers they were lugging around? If they were on a bike trail then how far is it from that empty lot?

I'd be surprised if there are bike trails in the area. From the 6th St. addy where they left from, it's a couple blocks to the west, then south to the scrap yard = about a mile. A bike was found but I'm a bit confused as to whether it was in the scrap yard or the salvage yard. Either way, there should be DNA on it.

 

[Wallendo]

I wonder why the dumpster business specifically, of his various businesses, was the one liquidated.

A business can be sold very quickly. Real estate tends to be more complicated and takes longer. If the real estate was owned by a corporation, the sale could be quick (the corporation is sold but the land still belongs to the corporation). The lawsuit suggests that the real estate was owned jointly by the Kennedy's. If this is correct, it would have to go through all the complexities of a real estate transaction.

I don't how much veracity to apply to the lawsuit details (as few as they are) since the lawyer, despite his claims to the contrary in his filing, doesn't seemed to have done much research - the whole situation of the gun which his client recognized as her own gun based on a picture on a website and which turned out not to be related to this case in any way, for example.

 

[SLouTh]

Seacat explained that the loved one thought the gun belonged to the deceased. Law enforcement confirmed to Seacat Tuesday that the gun in question does not belong to the deceased and was not sold to the shop by Sandra Kennedy.


This. It gets tricky, statements reported and then recanted. SO a gun that was sold to the pawn shop DID NOT belong to a victim's wife. If I did not read that here, I would be making that connection/assumption. UGH.

Yes I am glad that has now been clarified …


However, does it suggest that possibly 2 guns are missing??

Was a gun taken on the bike ride??? And is that gun now known to be missing, along with the gun that was used in the fatal shootings?

Or just a small town rumour that went crazy?? Someone thinking they recognised a gun …. That wasn’t correct….

IMO and just posing the question ….

 

[FrostedGlass]

Sorry to ask a question that may have already been answered, and I have missed it …

Has any physical evidence like blood been actually found at the selvage premises owned and operated by Joe???

Listening to the press conference by the Sherif, I was under the impresssion that the shootings and “violent“ crime scene were at the block adjacent to the selvage yard, and those 3 blocks surrounding Joe’s Business were owned by different people.. have I got that correct??

The Sherif also stated there was no evidence of the bodies being weighted down in the water IIRC???

Is the river edge on any of the adjacent blocks,(where the violent event occurred) or were the bodies transported to the river edge somehow.??
Or do we not know for sure???

Many thanks…

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IIRC, the sheriff said they searched with dogs and found no evidence in the scrap and salvage yard.
The violence was on one of the adjoining properties. I haven't seen it stated which one.
The sheriff did say there appeared to be no evidence of weighted-down bodies.

From the scrap yead, it's less than a mile and half to the nearest access point of the river. The road is S 205 but I can't tell by the map if there is easy access to the river. From there, it's about 2 and 3/4 mile to the bridge. I think it would be very difficult for the body parts to travel together through all the bends in the river.

Have we ever heard if they were found up or down stream from the bridge. I remember the sheriff saying the area appeared to be a dump site.

 

[Friday Fan]

A bike was found but I'm a bit confused as to whether it was in the scrap yard or the salvage yard. Either way, there should be DNA on it.

I believe a bike was found at the salvage yard, but it didn't not belong to another of the four guys.
If you look at Street View of the salvage yard, in 2021 there is a lavender bike in a truck. There also appears to be another bike.

Also it seems that stuff doesn't really move very fast at this salvage yard. It's very likely they found the same bike as the bike seen on street view.
Things are rusty and weeds are growing around some of the salvaged goods. To me it doesn't look like much business gets done at this place and it looks more like a dump than anything. It looks like they crush metal in the back, but who knows how long that crushed metal has sat there?

My hunch is: He originally opened this salvage yard with the intent to transfer things to his larger salvage yard outside the city. It was easier for residents of Okmulgee to bring their junk here rather than his other place. This particular salvage yard is actually zoned residential. JK does not own the property. IOW: It's an informal set up.

 

[TwinkieDefense]

Thanks @Slueth876 for bringing in this article. Many odd details popping up, and to me, this is another. Why drive half way across country to jump off a balcony? Was there no structure tall enough between Oklahoma and Florida? Was there another reason for going there? Was he escaping a more lethal situation in OK - way worse than capture by police? Leaping from a balcony after allegedly murdering, cutting up, then discarding four (in a shallow body of water no less) doesn’t seem logical to me. Maybe, though, that’s as logical as you can be after doing all that. I’m starting to agree with others that maybe this is way more than meets the eye at first, as in, involving only one perpetrator.

Person-of-interest in killing of 4 Oklahoma men said he planned to jump from hotel balcony

Joseph Kennedy II, a person of interest in the killing of four in Oklahoma, told Daytona Beach Shores police he planned to jump from a hotel balcony.

www.news-journalonline.com

 

[Peppery]

The article is a bit ambiguous about that ….. The wife did apply for divorce the same day he was arrested in Florida ….. but it doesn’t say which court house was used for the divorce IMO

RSBM

She must have filed for divorce in Oklahoma, unless she lives in florida.

“There must also be proof that the marriage actually exists to begin with, and that at least one party has lived in Florida for the past six months.”

State of Florida.com | Filing for Divorce without an Attorney

File for divorce without an attorney in Florida, saving time, money, and hassle.

www.stateofflorida.com

 

[SLouTh]

Thanks @Slueth876 for bringing in this article. Many odd details popping up, and to me, this is another. Why drive half way across country to jump off a balcony? Was there no structure tall enough between Oklahoma and Florida? Was there another reason for going there? Was he escaping a more lethal situation in OK - way worse than capture by police? Leaping from a balcony after allegedly murdering, cutting up, then discarding four (in a shallow body of water no less) doesn’t seem logical to me. Maybe, though, that’s as logical as you can be after doing all that. I’m starting to agree with others that maybe this is way more than meets the eye at first, as in, involving only one perpetrator.

Person-of-interest in killing of 4 Oklahoma men said he planned to jump from hotel balcony

Joseph Kennedy II, a person of interest in the killing of four in Oklahoma, told Daytona Beach Shores police he planned to jump from a hotel balcony.

www.news-journalonline.com

Great question ..and some speculation follows …

Either he is guilty, and can’t live with himself..

OR he thinks he is being “framed” and is not guilty and thinks that due to his past history its too easy to set him up …. That would be depressing ..

And /or The thought of spending his retirement years in jail is too much to bear??

It does seem too much for 1 person….. the mutilation and disposal more so than possibly using an automatic weapon for the shooting…..

All IMO

 

[Friday Fan]

Thanks @Slueth876 for bringing in this article. Many odd details popping up, and to me, this is another. Why drive half way across country to jump off a balcony? Was there no structure tall enough between Oklahoma and Florida? Was there another reason for going there? Was he escaping a more lethal situation in OK - way worse than capture by police? Leaping from a balcony after allegedly murdering, cutting up, then discarding four (in a shallow body of water no less) doesn’t seem logical to me. Maybe, though, that’s as logical as you can be after doing all that. I’m starting to agree with others that maybe this is way more than meets the eye at first, as in, involving only one perpetrator.

Person-of-interest in killing of 4 Oklahoma men said he planned to jump from hotel balcony

Joseph Kennedy II, a person of interest in the killing of four in Oklahoma, told Daytona Beach Shores police he planned to jump from a hotel balcony.

www.news-journalonline.com

He also told police that his friend let him borrow the vehicle. So I call the jumping off the balcony story BS.
I guess if I killed four people, I would feel kinda desperate and wouldn't know what to do, maybe I would drive away. I think the planning to jump off the balcony is a BS "mental health" defense.

 

[Cryptic]

Either he is guilty, and can’t live with himself..

OR he thinks he is being “framed” and is not guilty

Or perhaps a third possibility- in between guilty and being framed....

JK was safeguarding something illegal for somebody higher up the criminal food chain than himself (does not need to be cartel, could just be Ozarks meth ring).

Upon getting word of the impending "lick", JK calls up the food chain, perhaps reminding them he is on a suspended sentence and thus cant really get involved with handling the "lickers".

The "merchanidise" owner sends down some uhmm..."inventory control specialists". JK was not present, and was expecting them to use warning shots etc. Instead, the specialists go extreme, very extreme- even by JK's standards.

Fearing arrest and having to testify up the criminal food chain, JK flees in a panic?

 

[carbuff]

That makes sense. But, wouldn't the decomp start right away though. I think it would. Plus from what I understood was that the water wasn't all that high and was consistant though that period of time. So I'm still left with WHAT????? HOW????

Yes, decomposition starts right away, but it takes a while to build up enough gases to cause human remains to float. Five days is about the right time frame in warm weather; it can take longer if it's cold.

I don't know anything about the depth. I'm speculating based on other cases I've followed. However, people posted pictures of the river being very muddy, which would have obscured visibility. Also it wouldn't take that much water to cover the remains. A couple of feet would be enough.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I believe a bike was found at the salvage yard, but it didn't not belong to another of the four guys.
If you look at Street View of the salvage yard, in 2021 there is a lavender bike in a truck. There also appears to be another bike.

Also it seems that stuff doesn't really move very fast at this salvage yard. It's very likely they found the same bike as the bike seen on street view.
Things are rusty and weeds are growing around some of the salvaged goods. To me it doesn't look like much business gets done at this place and it looks more like a dump than anything. It looks like they crush metal in the back, but who knows how long that crushed metal has sat there?

My hunch is: He originally opened this salvage yard with the intent to transfer things to his larger salvage yard outside the city. It was easier for residents of Okmulgee to bring their junk here rather than his other place. This particular salvage yard is actually zoned residential. JK does not own the property. IOW: It's an informal set up.

Thanks. I'll bring some info forward. This is from the Oct 17 press conference:

A very methodical search was conducted Saturday at the salvage yard on 20th St, as well as surrounding properties. Nothing remarkable was observed inside the salvage yard, but evidence of a violent event was discovered on an adjoining property. The owner of both salvage yards, Joe Kennedy, is considered a person of interest
..
Reporter - Have you found the bicycles yet?
Chief - We have not. We still are missing the bicycles. And unfortunately I have no description of the bicycles. At least one, and we believe all of the boys, had multiple bicycles and there's no way to know which ones they were on.

Reporter - Can you tell us what evidence was recovered at the second salvage yard or property nearby?
Chief - We're not releasing that yet.

Reporter - Is that property where the event happened - Is that his property as well or just the salvage yard?
Chief - No, it is not his property. That property belongs to... the properties surrounding the salvage yard, and maybe for ease, I have since discovered that Mr. Kennedy referred to the South 75 location as the salvage yard an' the 20th St. location as the scrap yard. Which may make it easier to keep track of what we're talking about. So the scrap yard belonged to Mr. Kennedy. The property surrounding the scrap yard belongs to three different businesses.

Reporter - That property you're talking about is the one where the violent event looks like....
Chief - That's correct. It was on one of the other pieces of property.

 

[Ed Teach]

Yes, decomposition starts right away, but it takes a while to build up enough gases to cause human remains to float. Five days is about the right time frame in warm weather; it can take longer if it's cold.

I don't know anything about the depth. I'm speculating based on other cases I've followed. However, people posted pictures of the river being very muddy, which would have obscured visibility. Also it wouldn't take that much water to cover the remains. A couple of feet would be enough.

The area is very rural. Read not a lot of traffic at all. No rain in Oklahoma for a long while until the past few days. Shallow and dirty river. The person who reported something suspicious probably smelled it...stopped and looked...and said oh crap I better call the sheriff.

I think my last post is where the confusion about the wife being in Florida is coming from. I based my statement on an earlier post where someone had sleuthed a property or something owned by JK in Florida...I was wondering why he fled for Florida and assumed maybe his wife was there at a vacation home or something. I'll go back and try to find that right now.

 

[Ed Teach]

Found it...post #912 thread 1.

"While looking at addresses, I noticed that the female listed on the properties, a female of the same age and name lives in Melbourne Florida, with a prior post office box in OK, the same as JK.
I wonder if he was headed there, it is directly south of where he was apprehended."


Wonder if she is going to say they are separated? Wonder if they can pin an aiding and abetting a fugitive on her and maybe get a plea deal out of her (she tells them what he has told her)? Maybe this is why the lawsuit has been filed? Information the police have told the families but not released to the public?

 

[blessedandobsessed]

Or perhaps a third possibility- in between guilty and being framed....

JK was safeguarding something illegal for somebody higher up the criminal food chain than himself (does not need to be cartel, could just be Ozarks meth ring).

Upon getting word of the impending "lick", JK calls up the food chain, perhaps reminding them he is on a suspended sentence and thus cant really get involved with handling the "lickers".

The "merchanidise" owner sends down some uhmm..."inventory control specialists". JK was not present, and was expecting them to use warning shots etc. Instead, the specialists go extreme, very extreme- even by JK's standards.

Fearing arrest and having to testify up the criminal food chain, JK flees in a panic?

This is exactly what I thought. <modsnip: insulting fellow posters> Because of the swiftness, his age, the evidence or lack there of.

A lot of things got done very quickly all things consider, and basically at best very very difficult for one old man

 

[SLouTh]

RSBM

She must have filed for divorce in Oklahoma, unless she lives in florida.

“There must also be proof that the marriage actually exists to begin with, and that at least one party has lived in Florida for the past six months.”

State of Florida.com | Filing for Divorce without an Attorney

File for divorce without an attorney in Florida, saving time, money, and hassle.

www.stateofflorida.com

Yes Thankyou for confirming ….

Also his wife is continuing the day to day running of the business in his absence ….putting her in Okmulgee ..

Blaine Frierson, Sandra’s attorney, said he will fight the injunction.

“we don’t believe the injunction is appropriate, she is half owner of the businesses and she’s carrying them on in day to day activity,” he said.

Wrongful death lawsuit filed against person of interest, wife in Okmulgee quadruple murders

Family members of three of the four men who disappeared and were later found killed in a river earlier this month have filed a wrongful death suit against the person

www.fox23.com

 

[SLouTh]

A business can be sold very quickly. Real estate tends to be more complicated and takes longer. If the real estate was owned by a corporation, the sale could be quick (the corporation is sold but the land still belongs to the corporation). The lawsuit suggests that the real estate was owned jointly by the Kennedy's. If this is correct, it would have to go through all the complexities of a real estate transaction.

I don't how much veracity to apply to the lawsuit details (as few as they are) since the lawyer, despite his claims to the contrary in his filing, doesn't seemed to have done much research - the whole situation of the gun which his client recognized as her own gun based on a picture on a website and which turned out not to be related to this case in any way, for example.

Agree.
The business was sold before the men went missing, only financial settlement was afterwards…. And really it was just the sale of a truck and two containers..

He said his client had no direct involvement in the Dumpster sale it refers to, adding that Joseph Kennedy had made that deal before the homicide victims disappeared on Oct. 9.

He also said the deal only had involved a limited number of containers, according to his client.

Order prevents person of interest in Okmulgee killings from selling his property

Relatives of three of the four men found shot and dismembered near Okmulgee this month are suing another identified as a person of interest.

news.yahoo.com

 

[wendybtn]

Salvage yard owner named as 'person of interest' in OK murder

Joseph Kennedy, 67, was arrested in Florida and named as a person of interest for the murders of Mark, 32, and Billy Chastain, 30, and Mike Sparks, 32.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[TwinkieDefense]

Salvage yard owner named as 'person of interest' in OK murder

Joseph Kennedy, 67, was arrested in Florida and named as a person of interest for the murders of Mark, 32, and Billy Chastain, 30, and Mike Sparks, 32.

www.dailymail.co.uk

According to this article thanks to @wendybtn, they were on motorcycles . . . Not bicycles. So a different version arrives. Wonder who saw them on motorcycles and what happened to the story of the bicycles and trailers they were supposedly pulling? So many shifting accounts in my opinion.

[…]

The men, who were last seen riding their motorcycles on October 9, were allegedly planning on committing a crime, police have said.

[…]

 

[Ed Teach]

I seriously doubt this UK based articles mention of motorcycles. I'm local and every local tv and news story has said bicycles.