Found Deceased OK - Mark Chastain, Billy Chastain, Mike Sparks, Alex Stevens, Okmulgee, 9 Oct 2022

[Knox]

I'm like 95% sure that the cookie crumbled that way; because of the bikes, the trailers and the route from one of their houses to the salvage yard. Perhaps they met a big bad wolf @ salvage yard #1 (with or without a pack) and the wolf wasn't going to leave any survivors/witnesses this time. All I know for sure is that this case gives me Ozark vibes.

Why would four men leave on bikes with trailers after dark? IMO, connecting the dots isn't victim bashing, it's placing them in a potentially dangerous situation on someone else's property. Even if that portion isn't related, there is no logical reason they were out at that time at night. Agree with the Ozark vibes.

Hopefully LE is connecting some dots as we speak. Regardless of intent, this is a heinous, vicious, crime.

 

[Knox]

Could it be something as simple as a car hitting them all accidentally? Panic ensues, driver gathers all evidence and disposes of it?

ETA - it doesn’t seem like a lot of thought/effort went into disposing of the bodies, so it seems like a panic reaction to quickly get rid of four men.

IMO, this will be much more complicated than that.

 

[MrsWatson]

Four young, fit guys ending up in a river. Sounds like something in a Jack Reacher thriller.

I have a feeling that whatever happened here was quick and nasty.

moo

 

[Stunned]

Four young, fit guys ending up in a river. Sounds like something in a Jack Reacher thriller.

I have a feeling that whatever happened here was quick and nasty.

moo

Your Jack Reacher reference just gave me the creeps!

 

[vls12345]

People ask how four guys could be overpowered but I think one or two bad guys with a gun could easily do it.

Maybe the four were willingly compliant, hoping events would resolve in an ok manner. Until they didn't.

Speculation only. MOO.

 

[Stunned]

How big is this Police Dept.? Have they called in for extra help?

 

[Knox]

Since I was raised in Okmulgee, I'm very familiar with that area. Can I just say this - those men covered a lot of area on their bikes that night. The distance from Okmulgee to Schulter alone is 13 miles - so 26 miles round trip. That's not including the other areas they covered that night.

IMO, part of the travel that night was in a vehicle - not of their own choosing to be in.

Hypothetically speaking, if one of them had this app - Life360 - on their phone. It could be determined if they were traveling by bike or by vehicle that night, by the speed of travel. Just a thought ...

 

[Knox]

I’m wondering about that too. And family members/neighbors/associates are staying quiet. Other than Mike’s wife - I haven’t seen anyone else that has been interviewed (at least in msm)?

Others are speaking out on social media, but we cannot discuss that here.

 

[Gae]

IMO it almost had too have been an ambush!

IMO, it may not have been an ambush, so to speak, but more like they showed up, after dark, at a closed business and paid the price with their lives.

 

[IceIce9]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/15/us/oklahoma-river-missing-bikers-search/index.html

A passerby called police after seeing something suspicious in a river Friday afternoon outside Okmulgee, a city of about 11,000 people roughly a 35-mile drive south of Tulsa, Prentice said.

Police arrived and saw remains protruding from the river, Prentice said. Police initially said they didn’t know how many bodies were there, though hours later they said four male bodies had been removed from the water

 

[Ghostwheel]

Edited because it appears they left at 5 pm. Some things are no longer odd.

Leaving on bikes at 5 PM for excercise -that is a little odd unless that was a normal time they would leave. Sunday evening is not when I usually see bike riders due to work the next day for most. Using a bike instead of a car, not odd for say, a grocery run.
4 people on a grocery run is a little odd.
Having a trailer with a passenger in it, especially if you are taking them home. Having one without a passenger, odd unless you are going to pick something up or taking something somewhere or are carrying gear of some sort.
Bikes are a common form of transportation in smaller, flatter towns. Gas is expensive.
Traveling from one person's house to another as a group on bikes does not seem odd to me.
Bottom line, going out for "excercise" at 5 PM on a Sunday is a little odd. With a trailer (if they had one or more) is odder. If they did this "a lot" and suddenly had extra cash after each time, someone will know. If they did this "a lot", there should be cell records that show where they went the last time. If they did this "a lot" you would think someone would have seen 4 men on bikes at some point. It's not all that common in general.

LE has their work cut out for them.

 

[shefner]

Nefarious connections before they set out to the salvage yard, would be my guess.
From the first salvage yard to the second one, it appears the plot thickened.

Apparently rounding up groups of four and killing them is not as difficult as one might think, especially considering we just saw such a case recently with the family of 4 from Merced.

Sad, all the way around.

 

[carbuff]

I’m still unclear on whether the bikes were fact. Did they all ride their bikes to the house that they left from? Or did that house have 4 bikes that were available for all 4 to use? Did none of them own a car? Or did they ride bikes to a location where they got into a vehicle? Because I’m really doubting they rode 26 miles on their bikes, or even 13.

Mr. Carbuff often takes longer rides with a group of cycling friends; 20-30 miles is a typical length.

After dark is pretty weird though. Dangerous even on good roads, even if they have lots of front and rear lights and such.

I suppose it's possible that if they were riding in a group on a dark back road, they might have been hit (probably from behind) by a speeding vehicle and the driver panicked and threw them in the water after.

 

[shefner]

Riding 30 miles on a road bike with a cycling group is pretty common and not strenuous for most men (or women, for that matter). Those carbon fiber bikes can be lifted with one finger.

But riding a standard, metal-framed bicycle even a few miles is another thing all together.
If you add in pulling a trailer of some sort, that is definitely going to challenge the rider's endurance if attempting to travel more than 5 miles.

I have to believe they were met at the salvage yard and gathered up, along with their bikes, and transported. Either that, or they took themselves to someone's home or other meeting location, where they were accosted.

 

[Knox]

It's stated one of the missing men has an app on his phone that tracks his GPS location. His last location is known to be at this salvage yard. IMO, it's Life360 app, which can also tell speed of travel.

 

[curioustruthseeker]

I have no idea what happened...but my first thought is that large, overgrown scrap yards could be a good location to make meth...and that's something that's very dangerous if you're trying to compete with Mexican cartels... I want to know a lot more about those scrap yards...who owns them...and if the yards or the four men have any criminal history of law enforcement...has law enforcement served search warrants on the scrap yards?

 

[IceIce9]

Since the cellphone of one victim was either turned off or the battery died at the second salvage yard they visited, I wonder if that is where they ran into trouble.

MOO

 

[ThoughtFox]

They headed to the salvage yard, on bikes, at night? I picture one of those places you see in movies with junked cars all over, chain linked fence with barbed wire on top, and vicious dogs inside guarding the place. My first thought was that they were shot at the salvage yard by accident, mistaken for others/nefarious people, the crime covered up? MHOO

I am aware we know just about nothing yet, so this idea may sound ridiculous very soon.

It's like the junkyard scene from "Stand By Me," only with adults. Very bizarre!

 

[Helloyou]

There was a case in California where the owner of the property (Not a salvage yard but large fenced property used to store various thing I think), he repeatedly called police but people continued to break into his property and steal things. He snapped and killed some guy that broke in. 3 California Highway Patrol officers, 6 others charged in killing

 

[Knox]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=816220019798943