Found Deceased OK - Mark Chastain, Billy Chastain, Mike Sparks, Alex Stevens, Okmulgee, 9 Oct 2022

[5W's]

It seems you do not accept that Mark Chastain's phone left the Okmulgee yard and went to a gas station, where none of the victims are seen on the video. The phone appears to go to the 2nd yard, NOT the victims. At least not alive or riding bikes. The phone was shut off while at the 2nd yard.

The location of the 2nd yard mentioned is on HWY 62 it is a 4-lane road, a highway. Nothing out there, I imagine it is very dark. The phone says they were at the Okmulgee salvage yard for several hours. It is not probable that they rode 6 miles, 12 round trip, to that 2nd yard in the middle of the night, upon leaving the Okmulgee yard.MOO
I think I write clearly so I ask those reading to take the time to sort out the timeline out.

I don't disagree with the first part of your post. I agree completely. This is exactly what I was stating but I was under the assumption that what happened close to the first yard not the second and they weren't even close to that yard when I posted. I just feel we don't know the perp/s(?) motives. So I won't assume that these men were up to something that was untoward as in stealing.

 

[5W's]

Well gee, isn't it convenient that Joe is suicidal. If this is true we will never know what really happened!!

 

[5W's]

I would like to know if LE has evidence to suggest Joe Kennedy is a POI. What evidence do they have? Is there CCTV footage at the salvage yard and points to Kennedy doing something like this. If they did have evidence then why not arrest him when they interviewed him? Remember if they had footage they wouldn't have let him go.

 

[NewMommy09]

I think it's important to keep in mind that LE has a duty to help keep the peace too. LE does everything possible to keep the communities from panicking in cases like this, no matter where they are.

I don't disagree with the first part of your post. I agree completely. This is exactly what I was stating but I was under the assumption that what happened close to the first yard not the second and they weren't even close to that yard when I posted. I just feel we don't know the perp/s(?) motives. So I won't assume that these men were up to something that was untoward as in stealing.

In the press conference with Joe Prentice he states that a 5th person was invited to go along to "hit a lick big enough for all of us". That person declined to join them. I don't think it's debatable at this point that the men set out with criminal intentions that night and whatever we know, the police know more.

 

[Elley Mae]

Remains found in Oklahoma river belong to four missing men

Dismembered bodies found in the Deep Fork River in Oklahoma have been identified as those of four men reported missing last week. The owner of a scrap yard is also missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Looking at image of bridge, the person who spotted something suspicious I would think was from the bridge, was thinking that the bodies had to be some distance from bridge to see them. Don’t think someone would chance parking on bridge.

 

[LauraAnne]

Well gee, isn't it convenient that Joe is suicidal. If this is true we will never know what really happened!!

I think we all pretty much know what happened.

 

[shefner]

If both salvage yards are owned by JK, then it seems likely to me that his properties were targeted for burglary. Isn't it possible he caught these 4 men in the act and they attempted to flee, driving their bikes into an adjacent area, where JK shot them in pursuit? This would complicate matters for JK if he called authorities because his actions would not be considered justifiable. In such an instance, JK's life would not have been threatened because the men were fleeing and hadn't harmed him physically. And while it might have been true that the men had stolen from him, and JK acted out of instinct and anger in shooting them, JK knew he could be convicted for his actions in court.
Perhaps, with adrenaline running, he made the quick decision to get rid of men's bodies by dismembering them and putting them in the water. Maybe he was hoping that the authorities would automatically assume someone linked with the cartel had done this.

 

[Cryptic]

Oklahoma has a "Make My Day" law ( Physical or Deadly Force Against Intruder ) which should have protected Kennedy from that 2013 assault conviction unless he was engaged in unlawful activity or using his place of business to further illegal activity, which are explicitly excepted.

He does have a previous conviction for Intended Receipt of Stolen Property. Perhaps that negated his ability to use that law?

Or.... portions of the law you cite may have been modified by Oklahoma Courts via case law type decisions.

For example, prior to the Ahmad Arbury well, lynching, Georgia had a broad citizens arrest law. But.... previous to Ahmad, a gas station owner attempted a citizens arrest that involved killing a resisting shoplifter.

Georgia Supreme Court upheld the gas station owner's conviction by adding key case law stipulating that ultimate use of force in a citizens arrest must have been proportional to the offense.

Likewise, my State (Texas) has a written law that apparently gives citizens the ability to use lethal force to defend property after sunset. But.... as the Dallas County District Attorney once directly stated, that law does not give one the ability to shoot leaf blower thieves. He may of been referring to later case law.

 

[Elley Mae]

I wonder if the fifth guy told LE before or after the bodies where found what their plan was.

Jmo

 

[FrostedGlass]

One of the articles stated the phone data showed the men going east of town, then south on U.S. 75, so investigators hadn’t considered this area for a search. Is one of the salvage yards east of town?

Update: Bodies of four men recovered from river near Okmulgee

While the Okmulgee police chief confirmed just after 10 p.m. Friday that the remains were those of four men, he could not confirm that they were the bodies of the four local men who had been missing since Sunday.

tulsaworld.com

 

[Eli9]

If both salvage yards are owned by JK, then it seems likely to me that his properties were targeted for burglary. Isn't it possible he caught these 4 men in the act and they attempted to flee, driving their bikes into an adjacent area, where JK shot them in pursuit? This would complicate matters for JK if he called authorities because his actions would not be considered justifiable. In such an instance, JK's life would not have been threatened because the men were fleeing and hadn't harmed him physically. And while it might have been true that the men had stolen from him, and JK acted out of instinct and anger in shooting them, JK knew he could be convicted for his actions in court.
Perhaps, with adrenaline running, he made the quick decision to get rid of men's bodies by dismembering them and putting them in the water. Maybe he was hoping that the authorities would automatically assume someone linked with the cartel had done this.

IMO he panicked because he is still on probation.

 

[shefner]

IMO he panicked because he is still on probation.

Oh yes. I think you’re right.

 

[Friday Fan]

The fact the he shot and killed four grown men indicates to me that this was not self defense. It's possible he developed sniper style skills since 2012, but it isn't likely. (The mostly likely scenario were that the men were all in one room) In 2012 they all got away and he injured one.


The odds are that he still dealt with stolen property. I think it's a hard crime to catch and lucrative. Yet in 2012, when someone attempted to steal his property he shoots. Does not sound like a nice person.

 

[Ed Teach]

... the dismemberment thing is strange.

Perhaps he was so angry he just snatched up the sawsall they were using and....

 

[Friday Fan]

I wonder if the fifth guy told LE before or after the bodies where found what their plan was.

Jmo

I hope.

 

[Stunned]

Just wondering as I'm in Australia if old Joe Kennedy would even be allowed to have possession of a firearm having prior felonies n all

Lol! Silly gun laws do not stop American felons, unfortunately.

 

[Stunned]

I think we all pretty much know what happened.

I don’t!

 

[RickshawFan]

I imagine there was no one around that heard power tools going in the middle of the night.

You would expect to hear power tools in that area: it's a junk yard.

 

[RickshawFan]

Dismemberment doesn’t require power tools.

The use of power tools seems kinda obvious in this case. Someone who owns a junkyard is gonna be very good with power tools. Transferable skills.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

One of the articles stated the phone data showed the men going east of town, then south on U.S. 75, so investigators hadn’t considered this area for a search. Is one of the salvage yards east of town?

The salvage yard they were killed at is on the eastside of town/east of town.
Looking at new's video of aerial views of the other salvage yard, south on the highway, they did some search there, because that is where the victim's phone was turned off. I would think they didn't search this enormous yard for long as they found the crime scene at the first yard.
It's across the highway from the wildlife refuge, Catalpa Rd/236 Rd

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