Ok, she does/did drugs, allegedly

[librarian_mama]

Does anyone have any info about what types of drugs Casey's new group (Lake Vaj, etc.) may have been into?

I'm curious since a "White Party" has been mentioned...when I was in my 20's in Houston, this was a big thing that people did--dress all in white & it was a play on "white"=cocaine.

I just find it hard to believe that all this group was into was alcohol and a little marijuana...esp. looking at that Lake Vaj MySpace page--very associated with local strip clubs & tat joints.

I'd appreciate any links to information.

Thanks for the thread merge!

Anyway...I have to disagree about meth being only used by long-term addicts...I knew plenty of people who did small/large amounts of coke & meth--especially those who frequented after-hours clubs & parties. People can drink a whole lot of alcohol when they're mixing stimulants. It's a very common club drug--both meth & coke. And about Heath Leger--he probably "couldn't sleep" because he also did coke--it's on a video that was released. And usually people who are insomniacs don't OD on oxycontin & vicodin--those do happen to be popular drugs for coming down from cocaine.

 

[JustInCase]

I appologize if this double posts, something weird happened when I clicked reply ...


Nonetheless, If Casey is a drug user that makes all of the sworn statetements made by her friends uncredable. One ... maybe two friends swore they only knew of her using alcohol and using pot occasionally. No where do they mention ... the white horse ... Cocaine ... speed, meth, ... Why would they eliminate that? ... hmmmmmmm

 

[librarian_mama]

I appologize if this double posts, something weird happened when I clicked reply ...


Nonetheless, If Casey is a drug user that makes all of the sworn statetements made by her friends uncredable. One ... maybe two friends swore they only knew of her using alcohol and using pot occasionally. No where do they mention ... the white horse ... Cocaine ... speed, meth, ... Why would they eliminate that? ... hmmmmmmm

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not...but if it isn't, I don't find her friends' statements all that credible. Gee, if they use drugs, why didn't they tell LE about it? Maybe self-preservation? It would make a lot more sense to me if they are drug users, it would explain thier behavior and attitude towards a missing child.

 

[shadow of my mind]

In a missing person case or a murder case I would think that LE would make it know to the people they are speaking to that they are not interested in gettin in their face about the drugs they just want information that can help them.
I aslo noticed the questions about Casey using anything. Of course no one mentioned a thing but booze, because it is legal. A few mentioned weed becasue they concidered that a 'no big deal' drug.
I did some reading on the drugs in the Orlando area. There is alot of gang activity as well and drug use

This site is DEA and has a condensed article on drugs in the Florida area. It gives basic stats but it is broken down into catogories. You can then pick a term and goggle it.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/florida.html

 

[concentric]

You know, I am not sure who it was-- maybe Tex (the bounty hunter dude).

Someone said that they theorized that Casey was on drugs and left Caylee with someone but can't remember who. Of course, why wouldn't that person come forward? (Unless the agreement was made to sell her and Casey can't remember doing that. Or unless the person she was given to feels she is better off without Casey.)

You know, I must sadly and shamefully admit that I've popped some pills and said a whole bunch of stuff I never knew I said and I couldn't recall what I had done the previous XX hours. One time I was so drunk, that I couldn't remember if I wore clothes to pick up my children from the bus stop (yes, I drove drunk with my kids (I only had two at that time). I swore I'd never do that; I did and checked myself into rehab the very next day-- that was my absolute rock bottom.) I had to ask my son if I was wearing clothes when I picked them up (because I was naked and my clothes were lying by the bed and I had no clue what I had done or how I had gotten where I was.)

So, do you think it's an even remote possibility she could have been doing some kind of drug, gave her to somebody and can't remember what she did with her?

I think it's possible. I also think that whole Fireball Run thing is highly plausible.

I think I wrote that on the earlier "if you think Caylee is alive, why...) thread, pg. 24. Is this the post you are referring to? I also wrote about this possibility on an earlier thread.

This is very convoluted, so bear with me.
Say, Casey met some new people, who are of the criminal element. She mentions that she needs to go pick up some drugs to sell, but she has no one to watch Caylee. These people tell her that if she gives them a cut of the profits, or the drugs they will watch Caylee while she is away. Only, during that time Caylee was either murdered or was in an accident and died. Casey returns and these people tell her that if she says anything about it or acts in any way like something is wrong they will kill her and the rest of the family.
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Now that I read what I just wrote, it seems like a really feeble story, because she wouldn't be acting all happy partying for all of that time, right?

 

[Brini]

I think she is a light recreational user. Alcohol is likely her drug of choice, but she is not an alcoholic.

She's not on meth. Meth use shows very quickly, and rather horribly.

I can see occasional uppers and/or downers.

If she was an alcoholic, she would have gone into delirium tremens, when she was incarcerated. If she was addicted to a drug, she would have gone into withdrawal.

 

[Sassynic]

Ryan, her best friend said in his official statement to LE that she admitted to him that she did drugs....

 

[concentric]

I know personally of a young mom of 3 who was smoking coke and just up and abandoned her children with the grandma, never contacted them and never came back.

 

[Kolchak]

I think she she was obviously a heavy social drinker. Smoked pot with her friends. May have done ecstacy (sp?). But I think that is what she was involved in. Obviously from the pictures that have been shown, alcohol was her definite choice. The others are speculation. Some of her friends admitted that she smoked pot, but who knows. I doubt they would be completely honest with detectives interviewing them. If anything, I think mental problems are/were her biggest problems, and not drugs. But, I am going by what I have seen and just speculation.
As Barney Fife would put it "She's a Nut!!!" That's a joke only us 'old' folks who watched Andy Griffith would understand. Remember Ernest T. Bass. He is a saint compared to her. And he definitely was A NUT!!!

 

[not_my_kids]

Honestly, I don't see how she could have been on drugs. She wasn't smoking anything on a regular basis, her teeth tell that story.
She wasn't shooting anything, first of all we would have heard about her reaction when forced to come off it, and the track marks would have been noticed unless she was smart enough to shoot between her toes.
The only things I can think of are mushrooms, ecstasy, or pills.
Pill binges cause paranoia and usually with painkillers, heavy addiction on not much time. However there are things called dipping parties. (at least that's what they are called here) Everybody brings pills and they all get dumped in a big bowl and then everybody just dips their hand in and takes whatever they pull out. Extremely dangerous. I had to take my niece out of one last year.
Ecstasy would be a possibility, the withdrawals are bad (personal experience) but also seem just like the flu. They even treat them the same. IV fluids and rest. And with the club scene that she was in, X wouldn't have been hard to find.
And mushrooms, I honestly have no personal experience, but my fiancee suggested it so I threw it in there. lol.

 

[momtective]

I saw a report on this the other day on the news. It's all the rage with young people now. Wonder if Casey was doing it.
with the Divine.

"A - AMNESIC effects. Loss of consciousness. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around. Dangerous!"

Could explain the seizure not to mention forgetting where she left Caylee.

http://www.salvia.net/en/effects.htm

 

[JustInCase]

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not...but if it isn't, I don't find her friends' statements all that credible. Gee, if they use drugs, why didn't they tell LE about it? Maybe self-preservation? It would make a lot more sense to me if they are drug users, it would explain thier behavior and attitude towards a missing child.

My statement was not sarcastic in nature. My point was... so many ppl take the sworn testimony of her "friends" as more than tangible, when you are the company you keep.

This is a tad disconcerting to me because if that shoe was on MY foot ... and LE was assuming that all but MY testimony was false ... then what other place would there be to retreat in this case ... except to assume tainting on only MY behalf?

Still believe Casey is not the only simpleton lying in this case!

 

[yolorado]

I think I wrote that on the earlier "if you think Caylee is alive, why...) thread, pg. 24. Is this the post you are referring to? I also wrote about this possibility on an earlier thread.

This is very convoluted, so bear with me.
Say, Casey met some new people, who are of the criminal element. She mentions that she needs to go pick up some drugs to sell, but she has no one to watch Caylee. These people tell her that if she gives them a cut of the profits, or the drugs they will watch Caylee while she is away. Only, during that time Caylee was either murdered or was in an accident and died. Casey returns and these people tell her that if she says anything about it or acts in any way like something is wrong they will kill her and the rest of the family.
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Now that I read what I just wrote, it seems like a really feeble story, because she wouldn't be acting all happy partying for all of that time, right?

First, if there was an accident, why wouldn't people call just the police? Next, so, KC's going to let criminals get away with killing her beloved daughter, not go after them for that? And she's willing to do life in prison with them on the outside and her family still in danger because, really, they could have no guarantee that she'd wouldn't decide to rat them out at any minute-life in prison could be a long, unpleasant time for a princess? Wouldn't they be afraid she'd crack. Besides, if these people are that bad, why wouldn't they just blow her away so they wouldn't have to worry about her ever talking? If they had to get rid of one body, why not two? Did they put Caylee's body in Casey's trunk too and the chloroform?

 

[reefshadow]

I would bet the whole bank and shebang that she was a meth user. It is prevalent in the clubbing scene and she has many personality/behavioral earmarks that would point to it.

I've unfortunately lost friends and loved ones to meth and it is an ugly thing.

 

[passionflower]

In a picture she and others are sucking on lollipops........may be innocent but I heard d when on certain drugs like ectasy you want to suck on lollipops????

 

[passin_through]

IMO Casey simply is a user of people.

 

[reefshadow]

I appologize if this double posts, something weird happened when I clicked reply ...


Nonetheless, If Casey is a drug user that makes all of the sworn statetements made by her friends uncredable. One ... maybe two friends swore they only knew of her using alcohol and using pot occasionally. No where do they mention ... the white horse ... Cocaine ... speed, meth, ... Why would they eliminate that? ... hmmmmmmm

Because nobody wants to admit to LE that they do that.

I also wanted to comment on those who state she doesn't have any physical signs of meth use. It is a common belief that people lose their teeth, get terrible skin, ect...ect... Not everybody does, there are many secretive users who only get caught when their behavior calls them out (and check fraud is a VERY common meth crime).

Meth also doesn't have the typical "withdrawls". Users simply sleep and get very depressed until their blunted dopamine receptors start to normalize.

Again, I would bet everything that she was at least an occasional user.

 

[Sassynic]

In a picture she and others are sucking on lollipops........may be innocent but I heard d when on certain drugs like ectasy you want to suck on lollipops????

I've heard that too! Think it has something to do with the dehydrating effects of E.

 

[librarian_mama]

My statement was not sarcastic in nature. My point was... so many ppl take the sworn testimony of her "friends" as more than tangible, when you are the company you keep.

This is a tad disconcerting to me because if that shoe was on MY foot ... and LE was assuming that all but MY testimony was false ... then what other place would there be to retreat in this case ... except to assume tainting on only MY behalf?

Still believe Casey is not the only simpleton lying in this case!

Actually, I have thought this all along. I have been less than impressed with Casey's "friends" and their statements. I don't know if LE has interviewed any of these people for a second time as new info hasn't been released to the public.

People keep assuming that drug use would show immediately--I don't think
Casey was a long-term strung-out meth addict. I think that the crowd she was hanging with may have occasionally snorted meth or coke recreationally. The problem with any drug use is the low-life people who supply the drugs. The pics from "Lake Vaj" depict a 39 yo male who is closely associated with local strip clubs. To make the assumption that he may be someone who is acquainted with the local drug culture is only logical, especially viewing his age & his condition in the photos--to me, it looks like drugs. This association only puts Caylee at more risk--that is my point. You can't always tell drug use from pictures of a party taken early in the night.

 

[not_my_kids]

In a picture she and others are sucking on lollipops........may be innocent but I heard d when on certain drugs like ectasy you want to suck on lollipops????

Correct, and also gum. I have seen ppl chew through their lips when they run out of gum. Not so much about dehrdration as it is about the fact that it tightens your muscles and makes you very tense. Chewing gum helps deal with the muscle tension and suckers help keep the jaw loose. Lockjaw is a risk with ecstasy.