OR OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008

[Sleuth2010]

@ Red Clover wrote she/he took the pictures. If there is information which the police should know about, they should be contacted. Remembering the FBI can arrest someone/ anyone for lying to them. Im sure the FBI wants to know who David was so so so afraid of : just showing up. Who just showed up and murdered then burned Dave's healthy body ?
RC thinks its the killer !!! See previous posts.
Please go to the FBI or police asap, even again?

JMO.

 

[Red Clover]

@ Red Clover wrote she/he took the pictures. If there is information which the police should know about, they should be contacted. Remembering the FBI can arrest someone/ anyone for lying to them. Im sure the FBI wants to know who David was so so so afraid of : just showing up. Who just showed up and murdered then burned Dave's healthy body ?
RC thinks its the killer !!! See previous posts.
Please go to the FBI or police asap, even again?

JMO.

My partner took the photos of Dave's marker, the bike path with Grizzly in the background and looking back up Normal with the sun behind the tree as well as some others. Sadly, some files are too large for the servers to upload here.

On Easter 2008 I took this picture of David that's since been used on his marker, in blogs, on the JCSO cold case website and in almost every news report that references Dave in the past 15+ years.

I also took quite a few pictures at Dave's memorial in 2008.

The screenshot on my post you are referring to (that includes the address in Salem) but isn't quoted here was from the Find-A-Grave website as @Lilibet pointed out earlier.

David Edwin “Fish hook” Lewis (1961-2008) - Find...

www.findagrave.com

The Find-A-Grave website was how I discovered that Dave's cremated remains aren't actually buried in the cemetery, it's just a marker there in the corner of the cemetery next to the bike path and train tracks across from Hunter Park.
I noticed the eldest of the Lewis siblings has a marker on David's plot as well.

That made me wonder who paid for the plot & marker, could it have been the person David had expected "to just show up?!"
Anything is possible. JMO

IMO-- It's possible Dave may have wanted his cremated remains scattered in a familiar well loved location like the lakes, his beloved mountaintop or the meadow below and that's why his remains aren't buried with the marker at Mountain View Cemetery in Ashland Oregon.

JMO--He was so young though, only 46; I don't know whether he'd had those end of life discussions with his ex wife or legal next of kin, his grown sons.

We talked a little about that after his friend/neighbor had passed suddenly but since Dave passed only a few weeks after we had spoken I doubt he'd taken the step of making a will. If he had it's possible it was lost in the fire. IMOO

I can assure you that I have contacted the Oregon State Police and reached out to the JCSO in recent months but reaching out to the @FBI isn't a bad idea.

@Sleuth2010
Do you have a case contact at the @FBI that you can share here?

My next step is going to the DA with the information I have.

I hope that helps answer your questions.


AS ALWAYS MY STATEMENTS ARE IN MY OPINION ONLY AND BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

 

[Sleuth2010]

referencing Dave's sister: "just showing up." that's out. in left field.
his xfamily ( x & sex offender who drove him nutz) were not welcome anywhere near him. or their tribe of clinggers. Dave's parents were very very vocal and active on that subject. Dave's sisters both were and his Uncles.

why throw lies out? Dave loved his siblings and family. they fought like cats and dogs, then hugged and had pizza. Then fought again. How to raise kids. How to treat dogs. When to plant shadow box flowers. How many tea leaves in a box. they were a normal loving family. well liked and respected in the community. money was not a big deal for the Lewis' . All true friends and family know. Including Dave's first love back in Delaware. And the kid. Think on that. Dave had lawyers and family-friends have the records and files.

if talking about those who commited the crimes leading up to this unspeakable unbelievable unnecessary murder, truth always come out. Always.

Dave was never afraid of anyone or anything.
Thus the hysterical, ballistic, volatile guy at Hyatt lake couldn't intimidate him. The RV dude was disproportionately aggressive. Dave told him to knock it off.

Some camping trip isn't going to solve this crime. But maybe thats the point.

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[Gemmie]

My partner took the photos of Dave's marker, the bike path with Grizzly in the background and looking back up Normal with the sun behind the tree as well as some others. Sadly, some files are too large for the servers to upload here.

My workaround, when I right-click on a picture and get told it's too large to paste on this site, is to capture a SS of the picture. IOW, it's not the actual picture, which can be quite large at times, it's a picture of the picture.

If on a windows machine I use Windows key + Shift + S (I'm sure there are several different ways to do this as per usual). Then highlight the area I want to paste here. You're on your own if you're on a Mac. lol

 

[Red Clover]

My workaround, when I right-click on a picture and get told it's too large to paste on this site, is to capture a SS of the picture. IOW, it's not the actual picture, which can be quite large at times, it's a picture of the picture.

If on a windows machine I use Windows key + Shift + S (I'm sure there are several different ways to do this as per usual). Then highlight the area I want to paste here. You're on your own if you're on a Mac. lol

Yes, many times a screenshot is what will work here on WS, I just haven't done that with all the images that we took last January yet. Thanks

 

[LinasK]

Interesting. I joined recently and was able to add some information to a family page. Maybe the person maintaining it is either not alert or not territorial.

Hope so. This guy had the nerve to tell me that I was either "very young" or new to Find A Grave. Neither of which were true at the time. He didn't believe my information. The thing is that I never met my grandfather. He died when my mother was a child, and in another state. But he's still my grandfather, and I had the correct family information, not what some random guy put. Somehow my persistence convinced him that I knew what I was talking about.

 

[Red Clover]

maybe ask the registered sex offender and the scofflaws who installed mobile home cabins in a campground, as RV, who broke the law. what they think / know happened.

There were many witnesses to the death threat and commentary going to: burn you out.

Dave went to jail and was extremely tormented by the registered sex offender, the offender's crimes and proclivities being especially heinous. Dave had family members who were daily exposed to this sex offender ( who had multiple identities, in Florida, per the FBI)

Adding opinion, not facts, won't solve this 15 years aged cold case.

I think I have asked before @Sleuth2010
Do you think it's more likely the death threatening scofflaws that installed RV's at the resort or the extended family member/registered sex offender?

IMO I would be very surprised if it was both of them unless they somehow conspired to kill Dave and what would their motivation have been; that Dave was difficult?

Did BMcN & JH know one another? Are you suggesting that they could have conspired to kill Dave or that they each wanted him dead or that they each played different roles in his death unbeknownst to the other? I am genuinely trying to understand your position.

IMOO- I still think it's the person Dave told me that he was "expecting to just show up" but that is JMO as I don't have access to what LE may or may not be aware of or what leads that LE may have pursued over the past 15 years or what they may be currently investigating.



Below: My copy of The Daily Tidings newspaper article by Anita Burke dated 9/5/2008

 

[Red Clover]

My partner took the photos of Dave's marker, the bike path with Grizzly in the background and looking back up Normal with the sun behind the tree as well as some others. Sadly, some files are too large for the servers to upload here.

On Easter 2008 I took this picture of David that's since been used on his marker, in blogs, on the JCSO cold case website and in almost every news report that references Dave in the past 15+ years.

View attachment 472321

I also took quite a few pictures at Dave's memorial in 2008.

The screenshot on my post you are referring to (that includes the address in Salem) but isn't quoted here was from the Find-A-Grave website as @Lilibet pointed out earlier.

View attachment 472324

David Edwin “Fish hook” Lewis (1961-2008) - Find...

www.findagrave.com

View attachment 472326

The Find-A-Grave website was how I discovered that Dave's cremated remains aren't actually buried in the cemetery, it's just a marker there in the corner of the cemetery next to the bike path and train tracks across from Hunter Park.
I noticed the eldest of the Lewis siblings has a marker on David's plot as well.

That made me wonder who paid for the plot & marker, could it have been the person David had expected "to just show up?!"
Anything is possible. JMO

IMO-- It's possible Dave may have wanted his cremated remains scattered in a familiar well loved location like the lakes, his beloved mountaintop or the meadow below and that's why his remains aren't buried with the marker at Mountain View Cemetery in Ashland Oregon.

JMO--He was so young though, only 46; I don't know whether he'd had those end of life discussions with his ex wife or legal next of kin, his grown sons.

We talked a little about that after his friend/neighbor had passed suddenly but since Dave passed only a few weeks after we had spoken I doubt he'd taken the step of making a will. If he had it's possible it was lost in the fire. IMOO

I can assure you that I have contacted the Oregon State Police and reached out to the JCSO in recent months but reaching out to the @FBI isn't a bad idea.

@Sleuth2010
Do you have a case contact at the @FBI that you can share here?

My next step is going to the DA with the information I have.

I hope that helps answer your questions.


AS ALWAYS MY STATEMENTS ARE IN MY OPINION ONLY AND BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

Is there a case contact for the @FBI?

 

[Sleuth2010]

The facts are what matter, not what people think.

If whomever was just going to show up and murder Dave, burn his body, and destroy all Lewis family possessions he had ( including irreplaceable tapes of Coach Lewis, his dad, who also loathed sex offenders, especially the one around his 3 grandsons) thats not following logic or facts.

Found murdered on 9/4/2008 too:
Troy Dean Carney

Law enforcement has a lot of Troy Carney's information, travel records, and cell phone records. Troy's family wanted arrests 2008 and they were right.

Law enforcement have books of evidence and detectives in 2008/2009 wanted to make arrests. then sheriifff Michael Winters "effected"
the investigation and that decision.

Troy was loved by his family and many friends grieve his murder, as Troy's family has written.
He wasn't a stranger to Jackson County. Troy had lived there, been married, divorced, arrested (absurd as Dave Lewis' arrest was ) and Troy traveled and stayed with friends. He was thoughtful and a hard worker. Troy wasn't homeless. He was a truck lumper. Had he been to Hyatt Lake...

Maybe some reverse thought-process, as to when and how the murders occurred.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[Red Clover]

Had he been to Hyatt Lake...

RS&BBM
Had Troy been to Hyatt Lake???!!!

Can you elaborate on what is meant by:

"Maybe some reverse thought-process, as to when and how the murders occurred"

I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here.

Are you saying Troy could have also been killed by the "scofflaws" at Hyatt Lake or that Troy somehow was involved in Dave's murder or vice versa?

I'm not totally following and I would genuinely like to understand. Without clarification this feels like yet another red herring.

I am aware that Troy was offered a day job delivering firewood for someone in the days preceding or on the day before he was murdered but my understanding per recent personal communication is that Troy wasn't going to take the job because his mom was wiring him money that night. It's not known AFAIK, who offered the job or who the firewood delivery was for.

Again, through recent personal communication I have become aware that the person that Dave "expected to just show up" asked Troy's mom if the person that offered Troy the firewood job could have been Dave.

I have also become aware that this same person also went to the Pilot Truck Stop at some point in the weeks following Troy & Dave's deaths and asked questions of the employees there and IMO and that of LE-- interfered in Troy's investigation.

This same person said things to Troy's mom that IMO were not only unhelpful and distressing but have been described to me as "cruel" including this person accusing Troy's mom of having enough time to travel from Florida to Oregon and back in order to kill her own son. Yes. This person said this to a grieving mother. I have no reason to lie about anything here. None. Zero. Zilch. JMO

Peace



ALL STATEMENTS ARE AFAIK, IME AND IMOO

 

[Lilibet]

RS&BBM
Had Troy been to Hyatt Lake???!!!

Can you elaborate on what is meant by:

I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here.

Are you saying Troy could have also been killed by the "scofflaws" at Hyatt Lake or that Troy somehow was involved in Dave's murder or vice versa?

I'm not totally following and I would genuinely like to understand. Without clarification this feels like yet another red herring.

I am aware that Troy was offered a day job delivering firewood for someone in the days preceding or on the day before he was murdered but my understanding per recent personal communication is that Troy wasn't going to take the job because his mom was wiring him money that night. It's not known AFAIK, who offered the job or who the firewood delivery was for.

Again, through recent personal communication I have become aware that the person that Dave "expected to just show up" asked Troy's mom if the person that offered Troy the firewood job could have been Dave.

I have also become aware that this same person also went to the Pilot Truck Stop at some point in the weeks following Troy & Dave's deaths and asked questions of the employees there and IMO and that of LE-- interfered in Troy's investigation.

This same person said things to Troy's mom that were not only unhelpful and distressing but have been described to me as "cruel" including this person accusing Troy's mom of having enough time to travel from Florida to Oregon and back in order to kill her own son. Yes. This person said this to a grieving mother. I have no reason to lie about anything here. None. Zero. Zilch.

Peace



ALL STATEMENTS ARE AFAIK, IME AND IMOO

Thank you for your straightforward and clear posts @Red Clover. I appreciate that you don‘t talk in circles and in non sequitors, leaving me scratching my head, wondering “what just happened here?”. My heart breaks for Troy’s Mom Linda.

JMO

 

[Red Clover]

Thank you for your straightforward and clear posts @Red Clover. I appreciate that you don‘t talk in circles and in non sequitors, leaving me scratching my head, wondering “what just happened here?”. My heart breaks for Troy’s Mom Linda.

JMO

I appreciate that and yes, my heart breaks thinking about all that she has endured.

Thank you for keeping this thread alive all these years @Lilibet it's been almost one full year since I arrived here on WS.

Last January 2023 there were only 5 pages on the thread after 14.5 years, now we're working on page 27!!!

I have learned alot, made some new friends and I want you all to know that I really appreciate everyone's excellent questions and comments.

I would also like to acknowledge the admins and mods who work tirelessly on this site to keep it up and make sure that everyone has an opportunity to participate.

Big big thanks



We can do this!

 

[Red Clover]

The facts are what matter, not what people think.

If whomever was just going to show up and murder Dave, burn his body, and destroy all Lewis family possessions he had (including irreplaceable tapes of Coach Lewis, his dad, who also loathed sex offenders, especially the one around his 3 grandsons) thats not following logic or facts.

RS&BBM

What if this person didn't "plan" to kill Dave but only planned to confront him about sharing his portion of his parent's inheritance money?

Maybe they were just trying to scare him or something. JMO

What if this person wasn't thinking about all the personal possessions and precious memories that would be destroyed but were only concerned that they get their own way in the moment?

It's VERY possible IMO, that this person did NOT intend to kill Dave OR set fire to his home but things got out of hand and once the fire started there was no going back.

ALL IMOO AND IME

 

[Sleuth2010]

The vicious murders of Dave Lewis and Troy Carney have a direct link.
No one due to inherit anything in the Lewis family had anything to do with Troy Carney or link to him. Please stop implying Dave's sons would do so.
Off base to state otherwise.

Witnesses have stated they saw Troy at Hyatt Lake.

RS&BBM

What if this person didn't "plan" to kill Dave but only planned to confront him about sharing his portion of his parent's inheritance money?

Maybe they were just trying to scare him or something. JMO

What if this person wasn't thinking about all the personal possessions and precious memories that would be destroyed but were only concerned that they get their own way in the moment?

It's VERY possible IMO, that this person did NOT intend to kill Dave OR set fire to his home but things got out of hand and once the fire started there was no going back.

RS&BBM

What if this person didn't "plan" to kill Dave but only planned to confront him about sharing his portion of his parent's inheritance money?

Maybe they were just trying to scare him or something. JMO

What if this person wasn't thinking about all the personal possessions and precious memories that would be destroyed but were only concerned that they get their own way in the moment?

It's VERY possible IMO, that this person did NOT intend to kill Dave OR set fire to his home but things got out of hand and once the fire started there was no going back.

ALL IMOO AND IME

 

[Sleuth2010]

RS&BBM

What if this person didn't "plan" to kill Dave but only planned to confront him about sharing his portion of his parent's inheritance money?

Maybe they were just trying to scare him or something. JMO

What if this person wasn't thinking about all the personal possessions and precious memories that would be destroyed but were only concerned that they get their own way in the moment?

It's VERY possible IMO, that this person did NOT intend to kill Dave OR set fire to his home but things got out of hand and once the fire started there was no going back.

ALL IMOO AND IME

What if David's parents were right about the
sex offender ?

 

[Sleuth2010]

RS&BBM
Had Troy been to Hyatt Lake???!!!

Can you elaborate on what is meant by:

I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here.

Are you saying Troy could have also been killed by the "scofflaws" at Hyatt Lake or that Troy somehow was involved in Dave's murder or vice versa?

I'm not totally following and I would genuinely like to understand. Without clarification this feels like yet another red herring.

I am aware that Troy was offered a day job delivering firewood for someone in the days preceding or on the day before he was murdered but my understanding per recent personal communication is that Troy wasn't going to take the job because his mom was wiring him money that night. It's not known AFAIK, who offered the job or who the firewood delivery was for.

Again, through recent personal communication I have become aware that the person that Dave "expected to just show up" asked Troy's mom if the person that offered Troy the firewood job could have been Dave.

I have also become aware that this same person also went to the Pilot Truck Stop at some point in the weeks following Troy & Dave's deaths and asked questions of the employees there and IMO and that of LE-- interfered in Troy's investigation.

This same person said things to Troy's mom that IMO were not only unhelpful and distressing but have been described to me as "cruel" including this person accusing Troy's mom of having enough time to travel from Florida to Oregon and back in order to kill her own son. Yes. This person said this to a grieving mother. I have no reason to lie about anything here. None. Zero. Zilch. JMO

Peace



ALL STATEMENTS ARE AFAIK, IME AND IMOO

You are saying the murderer talked to Troy's mom ?
Are you saying his family was due an inheritance and in on the murder too ?

 

[Red Clover]

What if David's parents were right about the
sex offender ?

Hadn't Dave's father, RL, passed before JH was with JF?

And say Dave's parents were right, what does JH being convicted of SA have to do with Dave's murder? Did he murder Dave BECAUSE he had sexually assaulted a minor?

As I have posted previously, this case is not about the SA of anyone involved in this thread. Dave's kids were not, AFAIK, being harmed by JH and despite any concerns about JH, AFAIK he has never been accused of harming Dave or been named a suspect or a POI. JMO



ALL JMO & IMOO & IME

 

[Red Clover]

You are saying the murderer talked to Troy's mom ?
Are you saying his family was due an inheritance and in on the murder too ?

I am saying that the person that Dave "expected to just show up" had contact with and communicated extensively with Troy's mom in the days, weeks, months & years following Troy & Dave's deaths.

This is my understanding IME & IIRC & AFAIK per my recent personal communication with LW who stayed in communication with my own mother @dreamweaver, may she rest in peace.



IMOO & JMO & IME

 

[Red Clover]

Witnesses have stated they saw Troy at Hyatt Lake.

RS&BBM

"They"

WHO saw TDC at Hyatt Lake?
Do you know the people, have you spoken to them personally?

WHEN did this information come to your attention and HOW; was it from LE or through your own investigations?

Without clarification this sounds like another red herring? JMO

IME& JMO & IMOO

 

[Sleuth2010]

Red Clover are you saying that Dave's sister murdered her brother, Troy, arsoned 4 (only 3 you are aware of) different locations ( including totally engulfing 2 cabins) misled the professional law enforcement investigators, (fyi: she didn't have a motive, means, opportunity or gain) then had weekly, monthly, yearly contact with Troy's mother ???

But the registered sex offender (who Dave hated and punched out and went to jail for months and months and months, over) the illegally placed mobile homes at Hyatt Lake, the screaming (now dearly deceased owner, who claimed multi millions and millions $$$ loss) and the recent happenings in the last 2 years of Dave's life ( LoverS and business falling out) had nothing to do with his murder, body burning, utter destruction (after having been death threatened, with multiple winesses) and he was " concerned " the death threat would be followed through on ? Or that Dave's parents didn't foretell of their concern of horror for THEIR SON... from the scofflaws and convicted felons ?

You're stating Dave's sister murdered him. Shame. Red Herrings. Read the handwriting on the wall.

Facts and proof.

Fyi: There is information, which LE has chosen not to share.

I am saying that the person that Dave "expected to just show up" had contact with and communicated extensively with Troy's mom in the days, weeks, months & years following Troy & Dave's deaths.

This is my understanding IME & IIRC & AFAIK per my recent personal communication with LW who stayed in communication with my own mother @dreamweaver, may she rest in peace.



IMOO & JMO & IME