OR - Emilio Hoffman, 14, killed in Troutdale high school shooting, 10 June 2014

  • #201
This is so, so very sad. These young people were probably so excited about summer vacation.

I heard that school's graduation was scheduled for tomorrow evening. It will certainly be a somber one now.

My heart is just breaking for these kids.

:please:

I tried unsuccessfully for a while following the shooting but was finally able to access the school's website. Reynolds High School seems like an excellent educational environment. This is not the way that students should be celebrating commencement or the end of the 2013-14 school year. My thoughts and prayers are with the faculty and student body as they deal with this senseless violence.

http://www.reynolds.k12.or.us/rhs
 
  • #202
The biggest problem is that mental health treatment is simply not available to a large proportion of society. Unless you have wealthy family in the States (or that can afford mental health insurance) it is almost impossible to get good in depth and long term treatment. Especially if you aren't an imminent danger which you essentially have to be holding the gun or standing on the railing of the bridge before they hold you. Most dangerous people aren't stupid, they won't admit to wanting to kill people until they are long past the time they needed to start getting treatment.

For the ones who do ask for help though there simply isn't the support. If you are schizophrenic for example, you often don't have a lifestyle that allows you to pay for treatment and stay in it (i won't even mention the difficulty of staying on meds if not an inpatient)

Mental health should be covered from the get go by the community, states and federal government. If we made it a norm then the stigma would go away too. I would like to see standard evaluations of teens at 15 and 18 to see if any issues are surfacing they need help dealing with as these are ages that it often comes out in.

I also agree the guns have to be stopped. I wish gun control wasn't such a hot button issue, in Canada we have strict gun control but everyone who hunts or farmers have a shotgun, so it isn't as if we stop ownership. There isn't even a registry for those (there used to be but it has been ended) Except for pistols and autojmatic weapons. We have Toronto or Vancouver that are the size of Chicago and only a handful of homicides compared to the hundreds there.

:goodpost: !!!
 
  • #203
I tried unsuccessfully for a while following the shooting but was finally able to access the school's website. Reynolds High School seems like an excellent educational environment. This is not the way that students should be celebrating commencement or the end of the 2013-14 school year. My thoughts and prayers are with the faculty and student body as they deal with this senseless violence.

http://www.reynolds.k12.or.us/rhs

Really?

http://www.opb.org/news/article/class-size-major-challenge-oregon-schools/
 
  • #204

Based on the school's website, it seems that the high school offers a wide variety of academic choices, extra-curricular activities, many athletic opportunities, etc. That's what I was referring to. I didn't investigate beyond the school's website. I did read earlier today that Reynolds is the second-largest high school in Oregon, so it's possible that this is the reason for the report that you shared.
 
  • #205
CNN alert:

A gunman who opened fire at an Oregon high school early Tuesday was a student at the school, multiple law enforcement officials tell CNN.

The shooter appears to have died from a self-inflicted wound, the sources said.
 
  • #206
CNN reporting shooter had on all black, a helmet and a bulletproof vest.

Investigation is covering a wide net going over all social media and family to find out if the student was bullied, or if it was targeted, or totally random.
 
  • #207
The reporters stupid questions

How did you feel
how scary was it

what did you think


come on
 
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  • #209
I think just packing a totally see through bag (none at all really but I am learning in this day and age that may be traumatic! Cant grasp that - you need books and your laptop thesedays I guess --- - what the heck are these kids packing for to go to school (guns and ammo evidently) .

Unless you plan to have the kids wear "see through clothes" so they can't hide a rifle under a coat etc...I just don't see how it could work, besides handguns could be hidden in text books or binders.
 
  • #210
CNN reporting shooter had on all black, a helmet and a bulletproof vest.

Investigation is covering a wide net going over all social media and family to find out if the student was bullied, or if it was targeted, or totally random.
bullying good notion but i guess we dont know for sure if shooter killed the girl do we as oppossed to LE in both?
 
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No apologies! I didn't know that she had notified anyone of his behavior, or stated that he was a "danger" prior to the shooting. If she notified to warn then yes, she used a Tarasoff Warning/Duty To Warn. Its the only way she is allowed to legally break confidentiality to anyone including authorities. Tarasoff is intended to protect potential victims from harm and mental health professionals from prosecution for breaking confidentiality.

If she called with a general, "I'm concerned about this client, he may need to be hospitalized" but went no further and gave no detail or information regarding his identity than she wasn't using duty to warn. There is a big difference.

I would be interested to know what happened after she warned Law Enforcement and what the trail of communication was after that and up to the shootings. I'll google around and see.
Just catching up - mental health background todays killings????
 
  • #213
It sure seems like as a society we are spending alot of money training folks on how to respond after folks blow people away , I ponder if it might be more worthwhile to take that money for mental health services maybe we can slow it down before SWAT teams are needed all over the place


KPTV saying he chased the gym teacher down the hall
 
  • #214
Just catching up - mental health background todays killings????

We have no idea, they haven't even named the shooter yet. That was a conversation regarding Aurora and the possible use of a Tarasoff Warning by that shooter's therapist.
 
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forgive me if this has already been posted. Here's a map of all school shootings, only since Sandy Hook! Horrible. :(

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/10/5797306/map-school-shooting-sandy-hook

Today’s shooting in Troutdale, about a half-hour east of Portland, comes just two days after the mass shooting in Las Vegas.

Which came just two days after the shooting at the courthouse in Forsyth County, Georgia.

Which came just four days after the shooting on the campus of Seattle Pacific University.

Which came just a week after the mass shooting near UC Santa Barbara.


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/troutdale-oregon-home-latest-us


Two Words: National Crisis.
 
  • #218
Apologies, I should have been more clear. I don't know if that specific measure was taken, but she did notify authorities of his behavior weeks before the shooting. Isn't that the only way she could legally do that, as his mental health physician? I don't know. Either way, whatever she did was not effective...obviously.


She sure did

[FONT=&quot]-------Dr. Lynne Fenton, James Holmes' Psychiatrist, Warned Campus Police Of Threat A Month Before Theater Shooting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/district-judge-carlos-samour-james-holmes-arrest-documents-released-unsealed_n_3017933.html[/FONT]


Just like Aurora

A report detailing the mental health of Colorado theater
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/james-holmes-mental-health/


Just like the guy who shot the Giffords
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/justice/arizona-loughner-sentencing/
Nov 8, 2012 ... A federal judge, a congressional aide and four others were killed and ... he knew what he was doing, despite his mental illness




Just like Luka Mag

New light shed on Luka Magnotta’s mental health shows
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-diagnosed-with-schizophrenia/article10713680
/



---------------Just like Lanzas mom tried, just like Rodgers family tried to get help


-------------Just like Canada tried :

Bourque family tried to get help for accused Moncton killer
http://o.canada.com/news/bourque-family-tried-to-get-help-for-accused-moncton-killer

--------Just like Pacific shooting
Mental illness said to be factor in shooting
The man accused of killing one person and wounding two others in a shooting spree at a small Christian college in Seattle suffers from “significant and longstanding mental health issues” that were a factor in the tragedy



------------just like Slender man killing
Slender Man stabbing: Girl shows signs of mental illness.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11267577



----------Just like the courthouse in GA
After opening fire at Georgia courthouse, shooter killed

Washington Post ‎- 3 days ago
He arrived at the courthouse in Cumming wearing body armor in a rented SUV with both ... Mental illness said to be factor in shooting. The man .

Just like Los Vegas Suicide is a component of Majopr Depression - a mental illiness
then kill themselves in an apparent suicide pact


115 Law Enforcement Officers Killed by Mentally Ill

http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/crimjust/120LEOSkilledbyMentallyIll.htmv
.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...to-georgia-the-nra-has-created-a-monster.html


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-opening-fire-at-georgia-courthouse-shooter-killed/2014/06/06/d5cc4c62-edb8-11e3-9b2d-114aded544be_story.html

 
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  • #220
People get perturbed when mental illness is "blamed" ( I prefer discussed) I'm not sure why.

When a person dresses up in military gear, arms themselves to the teeth, and shows up in any public place and shoots random innocent people in an act of premeditated rage, they are not a mentally sound or stable individual. Whether the person is psychopathic, traumatized, or psychotic. The differences do not matter. They are mentally ill and armed. One does not need to be a mental health professional to figure that out.

Mentally stable people do not do things like that. They do not go on rampages and kill innocent people at random.

Period.
 

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