OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #13

[Calliope]

We'd have to look at that specific school, because that school's security policies and practices are appallingly lax.

The feel I've had from the start is they are very naive.

JMO, but they seem to believe they're in this secure bubble, a small close-knit 'country' school where it's all one big happy family and there is no need to even consider that bad people do bad things to little kids.

What a horrific wake-up call.

 

[revampz]

It is very frustating that we have not heard anything official from teachers and the school....

I am sure they are gagged not only because of possible (and now is) criminal investigations but also because of big big law suit......and lots of butts kicked and maybe jobs lost and kids taken out of school etc etc....

I have been reading this since day 1 and am now so confused....

a couple of things:

1) did his teacher see Kyron with his stepmum at the science fair...can someone tell me if this has been officially confirmed???

2) I am pretty sure that he was marked absent from this teacher and this has been confirmed officially is this correct???

This is very important to me as I can not see how no. 2 can happen if no 1 happened.....
(unless of course the "rumor" took place)...

because if no. 1 happened there is no way that teacher can just assume he went off with his stepmum as all the parents were there to see the science fair unless it was the type of day it wasnt expected for kids to stay all day..


Also I would love for one of the parents to get on here and tell us what Kyron was supposed to be doing in thetalent show.......if it was an individual thing then his absence would have been noticed and it would have had to be something important for him not to do this. But it is highly unlikely if he was shy he would do this and it can be assumed it was to be in a class type thing (then his absence not so important) unless

and back to one of my theories if he was to do an individual thing maybe he was really worried about it and took off....

so many questions need answers maybe now we will get some more info....

oh one more thing: can a criminal investigation be on the teacher for negligence or something to that affect?

 

[Beyond Belief]

what exactly would CSI mean to a 7 yr old?

 

[sorrell skye]

A calling system doesn't have to cost anything at all, it is an easy task for parent volunteers or even older students who are office aides. In a school of 275 students like this, with a absentee rate of about 20 per day as they had reported it to be, there would be just a handful of parents, if any, that forget to call in their child as absent. MAYBE 5 phone calls a day at most. All that is needed is that the school (not just this one, but ANY school) put the policy in place and educate parents about it by letter, school meetings, parent conferences, etc. Once parents know that it is REQUIRED that they call in, they will do so. Likewise, if they are informed that NO student leaves the building without being officially checked out through the office they will adapt to and follow that policy. The third step is that all absences are reported immediately to the school office for followup. NONE of these steps costs any money at all, it just involves a change of behavior that is not overly taxing on any of those involved.

jmoo

I guess I should have bolded your entire post, raeann, because as far as I'm concerned - it's all RIGHT ON!!!

As you pointed out - there are several options that could have been utilized.

It's a small school. Sure - perhaps they all say they "know" one another & it's all very casual, I guess. Hurray for the village! I'm gratified to know that it seems that everyone knows everyone!

But, IMO, there still should have been a defined, pre-existing protocol that was followed regarding attendance & parental notification. With such a small student population @ the school, absenteeism can't be so high that it would be impossible for even the school secretary to make the necessary telephone calls to the home.

If the phone call would have been made about Kyron being "absent", it might have mobilized the search for him that much sooner. Who knows if that would have made a difference? As it is, his parents didn't know (according to what we've read in the media) that he was missing until 6 or 7 hours later.

6 or 7 hours.

If Kyron had an appointment (as has been reported in the rumor mill) then why was his SM waiting for him @ the bus stop, expecting him to get off the bus just like he did on every other day?!

Perhaps the person who circulated the "appointment" rumor is someone LE is looking into. Perhaps that person is the one who knows what happened to Kyron?

ETA: Maybe the "randomdood" on that news site is the one LE is looking for when they requested info about video of the day Kyron went to school?

 

[pufnstuf]

1. I tend to agree with you.
2. OK. I thought someone said it was a big deal and as such I would think all a parents would be there. So maybe it wasn't that critical. I can see why some would wonder about this, but it still doesn't get me too excited. Oh also, do we know if this was something that parents typically attend? or is it for students?
Thanks Puf.

Thank you for hearing me out. I do appreciate that so much.

Yes, the end of the year talent show was attended by parents and children and Kyron was to perform:

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

On Sunday, agents and officers interviewed parents and students who attended a science fair and talent show on Friday, searchers worked into the night.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html


Just think about it, JBean... if SM had attended the talent show (and I would think that she would considering that she herself boasts of how active she is within the school), Kyron's disappearance would have been noted three hours early, while staff, parents, students, teachers were still on the grounds of the school. But, again, no one was alarmed that Kyron wasn't there for the talent show.

It wasn't negligence. The teacher wasn't alarmed about his absence. It if were negligence, she had numerous opportunities to see him missing. Gone for a drink of water? I don't buy that. She knew that he was not there, and she knew that he was not expected to be there. This is the detail that we don't have--the information she had that caused her not to be alarmed that he wasn't there.

Again, thanks for hearing me out.

ETA: There are elements that make me believe that this was premeditated, but I'll save that for later. I'll just say-- busy school, teachers preoccupied, parents preoccupied, someone had experience with events like this at the school, knew how it would be, and took advantage of the moment.

 

[TXHOPE]

what exactly would CSI mean to a 7 yr old?

I have a 7 year old...it would mean super cool crime fighters. jmo

 

[RubyRed]

As the search for missing Kyron Horman stretches into another day, two top Portland private investigators say they don't think a stranger played a role in his disappearance.
You have to hypothesize that he went with someone he knew. A family member or someone associated with the family, " said Dr. Turco.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/investigator-on-ore-boy-kyron-horman-missing-seems-strange

 

[4BB]

Jeez, 150 feet is a long way when you look at it. I just had my kiddo run 150 feet to the other side of the yard. Its dark but we have our yard bright with street lights. He jumped up and down and waved...I guess if the hallway was empty it was possible.

 

[scandi]

I hear what you're saying, but the talent show wasn't to start until 1pm and the kids hadn't finished going to see the science exhibits yet (assuming he disappeared around 9am), so why would he have gone outside so early in the morning to hide?

I wonder if someone he knew approached him and said something along the lines of, "Hey Kyron, I've got a really cool electric exhibit. Would you help me bring it into the school?" And then he followed the person & disappeared.

I wish they could find him. Even if he's not alive, as I fear he isn't, I think it would be less painful to know that fact than to have to sit and wonder if he maybe is alive somewhere and being hurt. That would be what destroyed me, I think, if this happened to one of my kids, and my heart is so heavy for Tony & Desiree.

Since he was scheduled to perform in the talent show isn't it odd that none of his family came to watch him perform? After all, none of them knew he was missing from school at that point, right?

 

[joshiesmom]

I have a 7 year old...it would mean super cool crime fighters. jmo

Yep, or it could have been a hand-me-down from one of his older brothers. I don't think anything can truly be read into the clothes Kyron was wearing that day.

JMO.

 

[sofia76]

We spent most of the day outside in this gorgeous weather, so I am playing catch up. I watched today's Press Conference (PC) and it was so discouraging. I don't think they have any major new information; I think they've just looked everywhere they can and are scaling back, per protocol.

It is very hard to tell whether they have any POI, although at this point I'd think that if they really believed that there was someone who knew where Kyron was and that he was still alive, they would have hauled that person in and interrogated them to find Kyron. I think they would put finding Kyron alive above building a case against someone. If I were the parents, I would DEMAND that. The fact that they are scaling back the investigation (and the emotional reactions of the family members) suggests to me that they were really hoping to find him alive and are now no longer expecting that outcome because of the time that's elapsed.

Surely, LE has information to a lot of the questions that we've been asked (e.g. why did the teacher mark him absent? where was Terri all day? was Kyron supposed to be in the talent show?) but all I can gather from their silence on these matters is that the answers aren't believed to have any bearing on locating Kyron. Why create a circus atmosphere for no reason?

I really don't know what to think. My main theory has been that Kyron left the school willingly and got disoriented and lost. Their search areas have seemed so targeted, however, that it seems like they have gotten direction from some source - I assumed info from interviews, but maybe it was just a topography expert .... I don't know.

The poor parents. My heart went out to the bio mom especially.

 

[pufnstuf]

I respectfully disagree - I think your vantage point is worth a lot more than two cents. Just my :twocents: :innocent:

Thank you very much, Reannan.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

Kyron's absence from the talent show - and no one noticing his absence - has been a huge red flag for me. Why were NO family member's there? An end-of-the-year talent show is a big deal to a second grader! Why did one of his teacher's not miss him at the talent show? I am really not randomly casting stones in any direction - just trying to fill the holes in this story.

I keep wondering if there even was there one? Why do we think there was one?
A child wearing a csi shirt for everyday/science fair makes sense...no biggie...but wouldn't he have dressed up more if he was to take part in an all school assembly that had parents and extended family in the audience. I wonder if there is a misunderstanding somewhere about that.

 

[CocoChanel]

Or someone said they saw him leave with someone on the list and staff didn't check to see that it was true.

I am a teacher of 30+ years experience, and I doubt this is the way it transpired unless school personnel would lie about it. As the teacher in a case where my student disappeared, and if I was being interviewd by my supervisors and LE about it, I believe I would be honest and forthcoming about how I came to notice and then mark that particular student absent that day. If I had dropped the ball and did not have verification, my negligence would be certainly be revealed and I think I would be relieved of my classroom as the investigation continued. Apparently that has not happened here. Teacher remains in her classroom to finish out the year and help those poor students try to make sense of a senseless situation, while she herself is no doubt devastated.

No, from what I know so far, it seems school personnel have not been blamed by any authorities as having been negligent in any way.

 

[CharlestonGal]

It is very frustating that we have not heard anything official from teachers and the school....

I am sure they are gagged not only because of possible (and now is) criminal investigations but also because of big big law suit......and lots of butts kicked and maybe jobs lost and kids taken out of school etc etc....

I have been reading this since day 1 and am now so confused....

a couple of things:

1) did his teacher see Kyron with his stepmum at the science fair...can someone tell me if this has been officially confirmed???

2) I am pretty sure that he was marked absent from this teacher and this has been confirmed officially is this correct???

This is very important to me as I can not see how no. 2 can happen if no 1 happened.....
(unless of course the "rumor" took place)...

because if no. 1 happened there is no way that teacher can just assume he went off with his stepmum as all the parents were there to see the science fair unless it was the type of day it wasnt expected for kids to stay all day..


Also I would love for one of the parents to get on here and tell us what Kyron was supposed to be doing in the fair.......if it was an individual thing then his absence would have been noticed and it would have had to be something important for him not to do this. But it is highly unlikely if he was shy he would do this and it can be assumed it was to be in a class type thing (then his absence not so important) unless

and back to one of my theories if he was to do an individual thing maybe he was really worried about it and took off....

so many questions need answers maybe now we will get some more info....

oh one more thing: can a criminal investigation be on the teacher for negligence or something to that affect?

Posting again:

"Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...the_day_k.html


Kyron's teacher saw SM and Kyron in her classroom that morning. I think that's as confirmed as it gets. Shelby is the school spokesperson.

 

[BeanE]

This child's attendance is messed up and this is the child out of 300 that goes missing.

Not making sense at all.

Or, this child goes missing, and then nobody pays due diligence for hours.

 

[sofia76]

Since he was scheduled to perform in the talent show isn't it odd that none of his family came to watch him perform? After all, none of them knew he was missing from school at that point, right?

I don't think it was that big a deal, honestly. First of all, Kyron was unlikely to be performing a stand out piece in the talent show. The talent show was only an HOUR, but there are over 200 kids at the school. So very likely if he was going to be doing something, he'd be doing it with a bunch of other children. Secondly, Kyron is not an only child. Terri (SM) had already been to his science fair - I would be very surprised if more than a handful of parents managed to attend BOTH the science fair AND the talent show. And lastly, his bio mom and stepdad live five hours away, and his bio dad has a job. His stepmom has a young toddler and probably plenty of other things to do.

As far as I'm concerned not attending a school talent show is not indicative of anything other than realism.

 

[BeanE]

There is no indication that anyone informed the school about an appt. this does not have any basis in fact nor was it reported by any MSM.This is an important distinction to make.

Could you say that again please?

 

[Beyond Belief]

Referring to the photo of his classroom with the exit door right there.
In order to go down stairs is it possible you could go outside and then in another set of doors to the downstairs where the electrical project supposedly was located. That would put him on the outside of the building between that exit and another entrance.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I keep wondering if there even was there one? Why do we think there was one?
A child wearing a csi shirt for everyday/science fair makes sense...no biggie...but wouldn't he have dressed up more if he was to take part in an all school assembly that had parents and extended family in the audience. I wonder if there is a misunderstanding somewhere about that.

The Talent Show was on the school calendar and the marquee out front.