OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[mtnone]

This is an interesting question. I've not seen it done before. And I want to know why.

Sometimes we really don't need to read too much in to what's been released - but this is out of the ordinary, IMO. How would releasing his pictures help find Kyron?

I almost have to conclude, between these pictures and Kaine's e-mail, and CARD showing up immediately that LE was thinking kidnapping since the beginning. (The pictures were meant to humanize the victim more for the kidnappers?)

Which then makes me wonder what they may have learned about Kyron & his family early on that led them to think kidnapping...

I'm still thinking about it. Thanks for the help again with Kyron's pictures tonight, BTW.

That would explain why they said it was a unique and isolated case so very early in the investigation.

I can't think of any other reason to release these pictures. It seems that way too with the questions they chose to answer much later, such as his favorite color, what he was looking forward to, etc... but, why would they be thinking this way still? The reward for finding him, not an arrest, so very telling, IMHO, how could they still be thinking that way?

And, the release today, saying they are going back to the area of the school, canvassing the neighborhood again. In light of the other things, that confuses me. What are the looking for now, if not a suspect, and they are clearly not looking for a suspect anymore, if ever.

 

[KeenEyes]

SBM

...http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0

As far as the artwork goes, I know I have seen the picture of that sun before, I checked google images but when you type up sun artwork in images, my goodness there are thousands. I believe he copied that picture from a book or a picture he seen hanging somewhere. I believe it is a native style, even with the colors that he used, I'm telling you I have seen that picture before.. I'm not crazy, I wish I could locate it. So there may not be much to that one it may have even been part of their art class. Maybe they were studying Native art and were asked to draw/color a picture from a book and thats the photo he chose...

It reminds me of a tile mosaic. See http://www.mosaic.pro/medallion-mosaics.aspx . Are we certain it's the Sun and not a mask? Looks a little like a Joker and maybe feathers? http://www.cepolina.com/photo/mask_Venice_jolly_joker.htm or http://www.cepolina.com/mask.htm

 

[mtnone]

Who reported that they actually took roll?

I think that was said by that classmate. Then the school said that he had been marked absent, which implies that someone took roll.

 

[6angels]

Dad's letter taken from
http://ackerlaw.com/blog which was posted in this thread so I hope it's ok to comment on the letter. Can a Mod let me know if this is Ok?
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What did he mean he was going to contact the legal department at his work? was this because he did not want anyone to speak to the media? I guess I don't understand that part. The media helps get the info out that your child is missing so I would be speaking to anyone that listened. The police has already said they had not told the parents /family to not speak to the media. The more you speak to the media the more the story is out and the more people see your son's pictures. JMO

Does anyone know if it was normal for Kyron to wonder off? I ask because he mentions not knowing if Kyron left on his own before saying abducted.

The dad also wrote"we" went to get him off the bus ( in his letter to his co workers) so is it my understanding he went to the bus stop with the step mom to pick him up? Does anyone know if they both normally went together to get him off the bus? Of if dad is normally at home at this time?

I AM NOT saying Dad is involved at ALL. These are just questions that poped in my head as I read the letter.

 

[carole]

SBM




It reminds me of a tile mosaic. See http://www.mosaic.pro/medallion-mosaics.aspx . Are we certain it's the Sun and not a mask? Looks a little like a Joker and maybe feathers? http://www.cepolina.com/photo/mask_Venice_jolly_joker.htm or http://www.cepolina.com/mask.htm

The longer I look at the picture the more I see a jester, joker type face.

 

[Pensfan]

It is relevant to me when he was marked absent and by whom. can you link to where she was knowledgeable as to his whereabouts and where she said he was? that would be pretty big.

No, I can't. I tried to remember to post IF his teacher saw him that morning. The school superintendent stated that two teachers saw Kyron and his stepmom. He did not list the names of the teachers and LE did not give out the names, either.

 

[JBean]

I think that was said by that classmate. Then the school said that he had been marked absent, which implies that someone took roll.

so the student got that part of his story right? is this tanner or another student?

 

[6angels]

I think his sun was beautiful just like he is!

 

[sofia76]

I found it disturbing that he didn't address his son as being alive in the first news conference.

It is strange. There is no sound of hope in his statement. Maybe he is a pessimist. Or maybe he had gotten the scoop from the experts on how long a child could survive out there in that weather and terrain for a week and had believed the worst. But I don't know ... it seems like a week is not enough time to give up hope. I might give up hope if I'd seen my child get washed away by waves or engulfed in a mud slide, but I don't think I'd be so resigned if all I knew was that they'd last been seen walking to class.

I hope the truth of what's happened to Kyron comes to light - and soon.

 

[Pensfan]

Dad's letter taken from
http://ackerlaw.com/blog which was posted in this thread so I hope it's ok to comment on the letter.
__________________________________________________________________________



What did he mean he was going to contact the legal department at his work? was this because he did not want anyone to speak to the media? I guess I don't understand that part. The media helps get the info out that your child is missing so I would be speaking to anyone that listened. The police has already said they had not told the parents /family to not speak to the media. The more you speak to the media the more the story is out and the more people see your son's pictures. JMO

Does anyone know if it was normal for Kyron to wonder off? I ask because he mentions not knowing if Kyron left on his own before saying abducted.

The dad also wrote"we" went to get him off the bus ( in his letter to his co workers) so is it my understanding he went to the bus stop with the step mom to pick him up? Does anyone know if they both normally went together to get him off the bus? Of if dad is normally at home at this time?

I AM NOT saying Dad is involved at ALL. These are just questions that poped in my head as I read the letter.

BBM
Is this a synonym for "lawyering up"?

 

[Emma Peel]

I have to say, my partner is an engineer, and this sounds like something he'd do/write. In times of crisis (at least initially), he doesn't freak out. He gets uber logical and starts taking ACTION steps to solve the problem. It's only later (if his action steps don't solve the problem) that his demeanor changes and he starts to fall apart. Remember, Kaine states that they don't know if Kyron has wandered off or if he's been kidnapped, so maybe he is still holding out hope that it's Kaine wandered off from school.

What I DO find weird is that he never refers to Kyron as "my son." He never uses the word "son" at all. I can't imagine my husband ever writing a letter appealing to co-workers' help in locating our missing child and him not starting off with something along the lines of, "Please help me find my daughter! She's missing!" Our child has had some major health crises and he has always referred to her as "my daughter," or "my baby," in writing and verbally - not just by name. So I don't understand that. I think even in the PC, he doesn't refer to Kyron as "my son." The closest he gets is to say that, "I am Kyron's father." Why so impersonal sounding? Maybe he is really compartmentalizing, I don't know.

Agree with the writing sounding just like how an engineer would react to a crisis with a list of problem solving steps.

That part rings genuine to me. Yet, there's some control going on too. And the "no media" thing came from somewhere.

I think Kaine was sincerely concerned that he disclose this huge crisis immediately to Intel and his work group so they would not be adversely affected.

(My husband would do that. Like when he has a death in the family. His first reaction is that he can't inconvenience anyone at work with his personal issue Sometimes he's such a corporate dork. Five days later, he falls apart like a normal person.)

 

[JBean]

No, I can't. I tried to remember to post IF his teacher saw him that morning. The school superintendent stated that two teachers saw Kyron and his stepmom. He did not list the names of the teachers and LE did not give out the names, either.

but my question was not if she saw him but how you know she knew his whereabouts. you said "The teacher was knowledgeable about why he wasn't in her classroom"

 

[6angels]

BBM
Is this a synonym for "lawyering up"?

What does BBM mean?

and I'm not sure but it sure confused me

 

[mauirain]

Just posting thoughts again...

The statement from the deskmate...TP states that at some point, he saw Kyron in the hall and Kyron said something about going to see a cool exhibit, an electric one. I am wondering if this was before or after he claims to see the SM leave. If it was before, I can understand, because Kyron and SM were looking at all the SF exhibits. If it was after, that makes no sense at all because Kyron was supposed to be heading to class as he waved goodbye to SM at around 8:45. Why would he say he was going to go look at another exhibit if he had just toured them with his SM and when he should be in classroom at that time.

I am still stuck on timelines......I really wish LE would give out some official timeline of reported sightings....

My brain is so tired, but I cannot sleep thinking about this little boy and what could have happened to him that morning...........

 

[eyes4crime]

This is an interesting question. I've not seen it done before. And I want to know why.

Sometimes we really don't need to read too much in to what's been released - but this is out of the ordinary, IMO. How would releasing his pictures help find Kyron?

I almost have to conclude, between these pictures and Kaine's e-mail, and CARD showing up immediately that LE was thinking kidnapping since the beginning. (The pictures were meant to humanize the victim more for the kidnappers?)

Which then makes me wonder what they may have learned about Kyron & his family early on that led them to think kidnapping...

I'm still thinking about it. Thanks for the help again with Kyron's pictures tonight, BTW.

I have no doubt the FBI profiled the perp(s) and Kyron. I bet they wanted to give an image of Kyron - an image they wanted the perp so see based on the profile they developed of the perp. Seems to me they wanted to expand from the image of the frog in the science project...portraying him as a soccer player and a child interested in more than detailed work for school. I felt the parents being available at the press conference was very orchestrated - the strength and solidarity between the two men was most noticeable - I have thought about the image portrayed over and over, and it seems it was seriously flawed by saying he wandered away from school. That never fit in for me. Don't know what to make of it,except the profilers just seem to be off base. mho moo and all that stuff.

 

[violet67]

The longer I look at the picture the more I see a jester, joker type face.

i am really a compluter clutz...i do not know how to post links but...if you go to webshots welcome to my house of cards you will see a pretty good likeness (its been bugging me even if it is kind of irrelevant)

 

[Pensfan]

but my question was not if she saw him but how you know she knew his whereabouts. you said "The teacher was knowledgeable about why he wasn't in her classroom"

I am trying to find my response that stated that she knew his whereabouts....do you know what post number it is...I will then explain.

 

[JBean]

What does BBM mean?

and I'm not sure but it sure confused me

bold by me

 

[Pensfan]

What does BBM mean?

and I'm not sure but it sure confused me

BBM=Bolded by me

 

[6angels]

bold by me

AHH! TY! learn something new everyday :woohoo: