OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

[ella971]

Friday I have to let my daughter go to camp far away....I'm feeling sick. I pray they find him soon.Thank You WS for all you do.

 

[AlexisFresca]

A stuffed Tonka truck, is that what that is? And is that a rattle on top of the truck? :waitasec:

It looks to me like one of those styrofoam rockets. They are ovalish-egg almost shaped at the tip, and then you have three things extending out (similar to the flying Jarts from back int he day) so you can 'throw' them like its a rocket flying through the air. I think they call them rocket launchers on Oriental Trading's site? They sell them there.

 

[Jules71]

I keep remembering that the teacher (and substitute) reportedly (Tanner's video) took the students on a tour of other classes to see the other students' work. Then we have the sub noting that Kyron was not with the class......to me, this IMPLIES (please note that this implies to me!!!) that the sub had seen Kyron WITH his classmates as they toured the other classrooms.

(Am I making this clear as mud? LOL) The school official says the teacher never saw Kyron in class which started at 10.

IF Kyron was never with his classmates as they toured the exhibits, WHY the the sub note his absence?

Just a little something that has been bugging me.

Based on this, I believe he did make it to class at 8:45 to be put into a group and when they returned to class at 10, he was noted as missing from the group and then marked absent. JMO

 

[mysticrose]

OT JBean .. my 3 year old just saw your avatar and now wants some Jelly Beans

 

[ella971]

ahhh no that would be me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Thank You for making me giggle.

 

[Chili Fries]

Sorry, I am speaking about his right arm ( Not the arm behind his back) and the "shadowing" around it. Does that make sense? It does not look like a shadow, but almost looks like a cut and paste. Just odd to me as I have never seen that in any photo personally before.

Okay, I see it. Good observation. It's tough to figure out shadows in a room with as many different light sources as that (and did she use a flash?). Also you can see a "V" on his neck which appears to be a strange artifact of light. So it could be explained by one of those two factors but I really don't know.

 

[raeann]

Did I kill the thread ? lol.... sorry

LOL....I so hope this link works!!!!!

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/11/threadkiller128524335047819072.jpg

 

[waltzingmatilda]

A stuffed Tonka truck, is that what that is? And is that a rattle on top of the truck? :waitasec:

It looks like one of those 'fat' ink pens with liquid inside that is topped with an Easter egg.

LOL! The Easter Bunny left a few of those in my kids baskets as they grew older back in the day.

wm

 

[darlin gal]

see if this link works:
oh, and it looks like this op ed piece blended two stories together?

You might want to edit and remove the link and the copy and paste of the article. If the site isn't showing up, it's blocked. That means we are not allowed to link to it and copying and pasting from other sites, is against TOS.



Welcome

 

[Jules71]

Based on this, I believe he did make it to class at 8:45 to be put into a group and when they returned to class at 10, he was noted as missing from the group and then marked absent. JMO

I also believe he was last seen in his group at around 9 am by the "sub" or parent volunteer that was leading the group. When that person returned to the class with the kids - she indicated to the teacher that Kyron was missing and teacher said he probably went for a drink or to the bathroom.

 

[kgeaux]

I also believe he was last seen in his group at around 9 am by the "sub" or parent volunteer that was leading the group. When that person returned to the class with the kids - she indicated to the teacher that Kyron was missing and teacher said he probably went for a drink or to the bathroom.

I've actually wondered if the sub is the last person to see Kyron, also. The police haven't released the identity of that person, but the fact that she noticed him missing tends to make me think she knew he had been there earlier.

 

[mysticrose]

Based on this, I believe he did make it to class at 8:45 to be put into a group and when they returned to class at 10, he was noted as missing from the group and then marked absent. JMO

I certainly hope that there were alot of pics snapped during this time from parents, to see who was with and around Kyron's group at this time, because it narrows it down alot ....

I would think that parents would have at least had a first name and description.... someone Kyron trusted or whom he felt had some athourity, took him IMHO only....

 

[sofia76]

I keep remembering that the teacher (and substitute) reportedly (Tanner's video) took the students on a tour of other classes to see the other students' work. Then we have the sub noting that Kyron was not with the class......to me, this IMPLIES (please note that this implies to me!!!) that the sub had seen Kyron WITH his classmates as they toured the other classrooms.

(Am I making this clear as mud? LOL) The school official says the teacher never saw Kyron in class which started at 10.

IF Kyron was never with his classmates as they toured the exhibits, WHY the the sub note his absence?

Just a little something that has been bugging me.

That is a good point. If Tanner's statement is true in that point, that the sub noted that there were "only" five, "where's Kyron?" then it suggests he was in a group before. Also, Tanner is the same one who said he saw Kyron going through the halls. I don't find it hard to believe that kids were breaking away from their groups to move at their own pace. I always felt very comfortable in my elementary school (of 400 kids; we knew everyone there and all the teachers, staffs, etc.).

Another possibility is that she was totaling up number of kids in the class, was short one child, but everyone was accounted for except Kyron.

 

[cluciano63]

I think we need to remember that we know very little actual fact about last sightings of Kyron and by whom. Things that were stated by LE very early on, became "no comment" very soon afterward, so they may have not been able to verify what they had already said and I know they have not said anything recently about when and where he was last seen. JMO

 

[liz b.]

I noticed in the media thread that the photo of the hallway with
desk and garbage can that was being discussed in thread 15 is
described as outside Kyron’s classroom.

The man going down the steps is noted by name and is the janitor.

Interesting the stairwell is right there. Someone can be out of sight
a lot faster down the stairs than down a long hallway.

I pictured long wide hallways with good sight distances and Kryron disappearing into thin air.

Jade,
Yes, I pictured it that way too. IIRC, SM was about 150 feet away from Kyron last time she saw him at 8:45. And the witness who saw Kyron at 9 :00, I remember reading that this witness supposedly saw Kyron at the door of his classroom. ITA about that stairwell,and the blue exit door. It is very close to the south parking lot of the school.

I wonder if Kyron's classroom door was open when the unidentified witness saw him ? I also wonder how other people didn't see him by the classroom door at that time ? Was his teacher inside the classroom then ? Most importantly, who was with or near Kyron when he was near his classroom door at 9 :00 ? If that witness is a child ( and I think it's a classmate), they could be in potential danger if they saw someone with Kyron at that point...

All JMO

 

[Jules71]

I've actually wondered if the sub is the last person to see Kyron, also. The police haven't released the identity of that person, but the fact that she noticed him missing tends to make me think she knew he had been there earlier.

Yep, and that makes it even more strange as to why the teacher did not notify the parents. Seems if teacher thought he had an appt. and left with SM, it would stand out as odd that he toured the school with the group for part of the time. It would also be strange that the reply to the sub/volunteer would be maybe he went to get a drink or to the bathroom.

ETA: This info conflicts with teacher thinking he left with SM.

 

[JBean]

if you post a link and it comes out like this;

*******************.com

it is NOT allowed here for any number of reasons.
if you can't link it, you can't post it. Do NOT copy and paste from any blocked sites.

This is a serious violation .

ETA: I should add that circumventing a blocked site by changing to say, tinyurl, will get you banned for life.

 

[seeking truth]

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I've been sitting here rather stunned at this post. Not to be a smartaleck, but why would you think the Horman's aren't entitled to the same rights as the rest of us?

Thanks for writing back, Calliope. I think I am not expressing myself clearly. I don't think that the Hormans have lost entitlement to their rights, nor do I think they should lose any of their rights.

I was simply asking here if anyone knows whether or not they have the choice to ask LE to leave their homes. I realize that, under most (all?) circumstances we have the choice of whether or not we want LE in our homes.

I got the impression that this was an LE decision, not a request by the family; and my impression could be way off of the mark, it could be all wrong. The LE spokesperson, more than once, and again very recently in a press conference, informed the public that they (in the person of a police captain) would be staying with this family nearly around the clock until the case is resolved. I find that strange. Now, if the spokesperson for LE had said something like, "the Hormans have asked us to stay with them," well then, that would be that. That might not be usual but it also wouldn't raise the red flags that this LE statement and situation did for me.

I just wonder if they are under suspicion and are no longer completely free.

Not sure if I made my thoughts any clearer. It is hard, sometimes, communicating through writing, as we all have our own ways of expressing ourselves.

These are my thoughts and opinions.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Sorry it took me so long to respond seeking truth. I'm multi/multi-tasking today and it seems like everytime I step away from my desk, by the time I return there's six more pages and/or the thread's closed and a new one is opened...

Originally Posted by seeking truth
No offense intended, nomoresorrow,but this investigation is not public so how in the world do we know what is real?

We don't know what anyone in the lives of Kyron have told investigators.

As an aside, if Kaine's email is for real (I'm behind, so I don't know if it has been publicly verified) I found it very suspicious that he would be asking his company co-workers NOT to speak to the media. First of all, who has the gall to tell people what to do, or even request that?

This doesn't mean that I think Kaine, Kyron's father, is guilty of anything but it makes me wonder what in the world motivated him to even issue such an email (if he did). It comes across as controlling and manipulative; not to mention, suspicious.

MY OPINION

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106716&page=28

My comment was in response to the following post;

Originally Posted by raeann
Interesting thoughts because there has not been a single negative comment about this family, their marriages, their mental health, their background, their honesty by anyone who actually KNOWS them. Only the people who have never seen them in person or met them before EVER are the ones making negative comments.

Since everyone keeps saying "people are talking" it seems that the people who know them from work, school, their neighborhood, their church, the gym, boy scouts, cub scouts, the day care center, the soccer team, personal friends, etc must be "talking" also. SO, why is it that the ONLY negative comments are coming from people who do NOT know them in any capacity? We have seen comments from the school staff, other parents, other kids that know the family well...guess what....every one of those comments from the people who were in their daily lives have been GOOD comments. This includes ALL the references to them by LE personnel.

And FWIW...we have seen no indication that LE is not 'competent'. IMO they have all acted in a very responsible and professional manner in this case.

jmoo

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5294142#post5294142

Originally Posted by nomoresorrow
Amen for keeping it real!!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106716&page=28

Okay, now unless I missed it somewhere, which wouldn't surprise me as these threads are moving like lightning, reaann is correct. I have not read or heard anything said, by anyone who personally knows the family or by LE negative, or even remotely unfavorable - have you? If you have, could you please provide a link to the article or statement so that I can see it for myself? TIA.

 

[JBean]

Thanks for writing back, Calliope. I think I am not expressing myself clearly. I don't think that the Hormans have lost entitlement to their rights, nor do I think they should lose any of their rights.

I was simply asking here if anyone knows whether or not they have the choice to ask LE to leave their homes. I realize that, under most (all?) circumstances we have the choice of whether or not we want LE in our homes.

I got the impression that this was an LE decision, not a request by the family; and my impression could be way off of the mark, it could be all wrong. The LE spokesperson, more than once, and again very recently in a press conference, informed the public that they (in the person of a police captain) would be staying with this family nearly around the clock until the case is resolved. I find that strange. Now, if the spokesperson for LE had said something like, "the Hormans have asked us to stay with them," well then, that would be that. That might not be usual but it also wouldn't raise the red flags that this LE statement and situation did for me.

I just wonder if they are under suspicion and are no longer completely free.

Not sure if I made my thoughts any clearer. It is hard, sometimes, communicating through writing, as we all have our own ways of expressing ourselves.

These are my thoughts and opinions.

They have to be free or LE would be screwing this up in a major way. they would have to be mirandized if they were in "custody" of some sort.
They are most likely there because it is typical to stay with a family during these high profile cases and perhaps they are keeping their eyes open and monitoring behavior as well. I think the family can ask them to leave at any time. LE doesn't usually move in with a suspect if that is what they become LOL.