OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

[Soulmagent]

I keep remembering that the teacher (and substitute) reportedly (Tanner's video) took the students on a tour of other classes to see the other students' work. Then we have the sub noting that Kyron was not with the class......to me, this IMPLIES (please note that this implies to me!!!) that the sub had seen Kyron WITH his classmates as they toured the other classrooms.

(Am I making this clear as mud? LOL) The school official says the teacher never saw Kyron in class which started at 10.

IF Kyron was never with his classmates as they toured the exhibits, WHY the the sub note his absence?

Just a little something that has been bugging me.

Just to be objective if it was a regular sub who was there often and that sub had seen Kyron before from teaching his class it wouldnt be as implicative. If that teacher noticed he was there because SM was also with Kyron it could have been because they stood out.
On the other hand he dissapeared at a very convenient time in the attentance schedule timing had to be good on the abductors part if attendance had been taken before the science fair Kyron would have been noticed missing alot sooner. Then there was the science fair itself which does seem to imply someone with a good idea of what was going on that day. If Kyron was with 20 other kids and the teacher remembered him being there and not being in class why did he not inquire why Kyron was not in the class earlier??

 

[oregonmum]

First day that our local news channel does not have Kyron on the front page.

 

[mysticrose]

FWIW............

Profiler puzzled by mum police on Kyron case

PORTLAND -- A criminal profiler and former FBI agent said the investigators into the Kyron Horman disappearance may have missed an opportunity to better use the media in the last 11 days.

FBI and sheriff's office investigators also may have been too optimistic in trying to control the flow of information let out to the public, Clint VanZandt said during an interview on KGW's "Live @ 7" show.

LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW

He has been following the Horman case and pointed out that as a former agent, now a criminal profiler and an analyst for NBC, "I've been on both sides."

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Profiler-puzzled-by-silence-on-Kyron-case-96401969.html

 

[Emma Peel]

New here and have not been able to stop reading and thinking about little Kyron. I have a 7 year old son so this really hits home.

I am just wondering if the school science picture was talked about? To me it looks almost photoshopped. The shadowing on his left arm just looks really odd to me. Any thoughts or was this already talked about?

Sorry, I am speaking about his right arm ( Not the arm behind his back) and the "shadowing" around it. Does that make sense? It does not look like a shadow, but almost looks like a cut and paste. Just odd to me as I have never seen that in any photo personally before.

lol. I did not notice that. But, okay now that you've pointed it out, - it's ALL I can see when I look at the picture. :crazy:

I'm thinking some picture smart people here on the forum might have a quick look-see & explain it away. Lots of flash spots - up on the display, and Kyron's glasses too. Shadow and flash spots might both be expected from an indoor shot with flash...??

 

[supermom71]

Expert Believes Boy's Family Not in Question He believes an abductor has him in serious danger. by KBND News Sources
A security consultant and former FBI agent says, if Kyron Horman is in the hands of an abductor, he could be alive, but he's in serious danger. Brad Garrett says it's difficult for a kidnapper to keep a child because, if he’s on the move, there’s a good chance he or the child will be seen. Garrett says he believes investigators have ruled out family members in Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.yournews.com/copyroom/mynews.asp

I wish there was more detail to this article. I wish it gave the reasons that he thinks this way. Really, this is just an opinion with nothing to back it up.

 

[oregonmum]

I looked really closely at that, too. I could see the same sort of " darker aura" around a few of the other objects in the picture, though, so I think it's probably just something that happened in copying or posting or such like.

I just went back and looked and I see that now too. That is really odd, I have never seen that color of shadowing before. I see some under the desk with the stove top on it and up on the back wall above the ABC letters. I did not not really think it was photoshopped as that would be a really dumb move as that could easily be figured out by the FBI. But, it was very odd.:waitasec: My guess now that this was taken with some type of camera phone because of how flat everything looks.

Thanks!

 

[GrainneDhu]

I got the impression that this was an LE decision, not a request by the family; and my impression could be way off of the mark, it could be all wrong. The LE spokesperson, more than once, and again very recently in a press conference, informed the public that they (in the person of a police captain) would be staying with this family nearly around the clock until the case is resolved. I find that strange.

I don't think it is strange at all. In other high profile cases of missing persons, the families have received death threats.

Looking at some of the commentators on other sites on the internet have written, particularly about the SM, well, all I can say is that I hope those people don't live anywhere near me because they are seriously scary people.

My impression is the LE is saying, in part, "don't any nutcases get any weird ideas, this family has constant protection."

 

[waltzingmatilda]

And here's what Carole Moulton said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

This information from Terri's mom came on Saturday, June 5. It sounds as though she thinks that Kyron was with one of the small groups and then vanished... I wonder if there were other kids who didn't come in until 10 to join the class?

Maybe Kyron was trying to locate his group after SM left and asked an adult/or an adult offered to help him. I really think this was a crime of opportunity. Kyron seems like such an innocent, curious, happy and easygoing child, IMO. I am basing this opinion on the pics I have seen of him. He always appears to have a love of life from the images.

Where are you Kyron? Shine your bright smile and lead us. Lot's of peeps wish to help bring you home, Little Man!

wm

 

[seeking truth]

They have to be free or LE would be screwing this up in a major way. they would have to be mirandized if they were in "custody" of some sort.
They are most likely there because it is typical to stay with a family during these high profile cases and perhaps they are keeping their eyes open and monitoring behavior as well. I think the family can ask them to leave at any time. LE doesn't usually move in with a suspect if that is what they become LOL.

Thanks for the response, JBean. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas about this situation with this family.

I'm not sure why I am having such a hard time with it. Your thoughts that they could be monitoring their behavior makes sense. I guess what I just can't seem to grasp is WHY this family is ok with LE moving in with them. Maybe, as some have pointed out, they want them there.

 

[raeann]

Seems all pic's of Kyron he is alone, except one with who I think is his older brother. The one of them playing in the leaves. Almost every pic I have of my children at school have students and teacher's in the background or at their desks somewhere in the class room. Even all the pic's of him at home he is alone. I understand not wanting to show others , but it just seems odd he is alone in so many even eating at the table and on his what I believe are family outing's. The pic with his science project is in an other wise empty classroom. Not any pic's of him and his parents. Probably just me, but it seems odd!

I think you may have missed the main links somewhere. There are many pictures of him with brother, sister, sm and dad, a friend when they were bowling, etc.

One of them is a media link, and then there is a photobucket one somewhere also.

 

[liz b.]

That would be one excellent reason why LE is keeping the name and any identifying traits (like child, parent, teacher) secret.

On the other hand, if Kyron were seen with a stranger, wouldn't they do a drawing of the person and release it to the media?

Such a puzzling case.

I hope Kyron comes home but it's looking pretty unlikely.

Grainne,
Yes, LE surely would do a picture,based on the witnesses memory of the person(s) thy saw with Kyron. Of course,he could have been alone.Or,the person with Kyron (hypothetical) could have been known to the witness. One of the best crime sketch artists in the country lives in Bend Oregon. She is brilliant, and if called on I'm pretty sure she would be right there.

 

[cluciano63]

But unless LE thinks they will wrap up soon, i.e. make an arrest...how long can they feasibly stay at Hormans basically round the clock? This could go on a long, long time...

 

[annalyzer]

I wish there was more detail to this article. I wish it gave the reasons that he thinks this way. Really, this is just an opinion with nothing to back it up.

from the link you quoted ~ Garrett says he believes investigators have ruled out family members in Kyron's disappearance.


But they haven't. Why?

 

[JBean]

Thanks for the response, JBean. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas about this situation with this family.

I'm not sure why I am having such a hard time with it. Your thoughts that they could be monitoring their behavior makes sense. I guess what I just can't seem to grasp is WHY this family is ok with LE moving in with them. Maybe, as some have pointed out, they want them there.

why wouldn't the family be ok with having 24/7 contact with LE?

 

[JBean]

from the link you quoted ~ Garrett says he believes investigators have ruled out family members in Kyron's disappearance.


But they haven't. Why?

in reality we really do not know if they have or haven't been ruled out. It has not been addressed one way or the other at all. Perhaps they haven't ruled them out, but perhaps they have and they do not want this to be known.

 

[Emma Peel]

http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/Criminal-profiler-Dr-Ron-Turco-analyzes-Kyron-case-95922444.html

Five minutes with profiler Ron Turco. This is older. The ice cream cone comment is at the very very end. On June 9, this expert was thinking that Kyron went off with someone he knew and was okay, eating an ice cream cone somewhere.

I think this profiler, based on his observations of the investigation, was thinking kidnapping by someone known to family.

Interesting and could just be an interview I missed? I saw the quote by Turco in an article. So, just FYI.

 

[BeanE]

from the link you quoted ~ Garrett says he believes investigators have ruled out family members in Kyron's disappearance.


But they haven't. Why?

They haven't publicly stated that they've ruled them out. That doesn't mean they haven't done so.

They have repeatedly said that the family is fully cooperating.

 

[seeking truth]

Wait a minute, when you say they're staying with the Hormans, do you mean, like, spending the night?

YES, spending the night. This is what has been reported. This has been announced by LE spokesman during at least two press conferences.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

in reality we really do not know if they have or haven't been ruled out. It has not been addressed one way or the other at all. Perhaps they haven't ruled them out, but perhaps they have and they do not want this to be known.

But - if the family is receiving threats and are on edge and afraid why wouldn't LE come froward and clear them publicly at least for safety reasons and to stop all this "internet" bashing and trashing?

 

[STEADFAST]

I just went back and looked and I see that now too. That is really odd, I have never seen that color of shadowing before. I see some under the desk with the stove top on it and up on the back wall above the ABC letters. I did not not really think it was photoshopped as that would be a really dumb move as that could easily be figured out by the FBI. But, it was very odd.:waitasec: My guess now that this was taken with some type of camera phone because of how flat everything looks.

Thanks!

I think it's a shadow on the tile floor from the morning sun slanting in the window.