OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #7

[Lava]

Me too Lava, but am wondering why she thinks the unsub is a woman unless she lost a child and Kyron reminds her of him.

The reason I would think it was a woman is the focus on Kyron. If she wants him for herself she isn't going to care about the family. She might care about what Kyron needs though.

 

[alchemygirl]

My family and I are locals to the area and my son who is KH's age brought up a very profound point. (this is coming from a little guy) " I think who ever took him needs to know what he likes to do for fun so he does not get too sad being away from his family and that is why they are showing his drawings, that he loves to play soccer and he likes to goof off and have fun." (talking about the photo with the easter basket/truck on his head). So that is my 8 yr olds:twocents:. He has been very concerned about this and is scared to go to school.

 

[cluciano63]

If they feel Kyron could still be alive and be in the area they are searching...are they leaving water for him as was done in Florida, I wonder, in case they "miss" him? Are they using megaphones or loud speakers from the air? Are they doing any of the things that might help a live child? Of course we don't know, we hear about "cadaver dogs" IIRc and more searchers. Everything I am looking up is indicating that 3-7 days is about it for surviving without water and that maximum is with ideal conditions, no heat or cold etc...also for adults. No info on children that I could find. It has been more than 5 days now and into the 6th night. Very scary.

 

[butterfly1978]

I'm trying to catch up, geez this is insane.

 

[Lava]

If they feel Kyron could still be alive and be in the area they are searching...are they leaving water for him as was done in Florida, I wonder, in case they "miss" him? Are they using megaphones or loud speakers from the air? Are they doing any of the things that might help a live child? Of course we don't know, we hear about "cadaver dogs" IIRc and more searchers. Everything I am looking up is indicating that 3-7 days is about it for surviving without water and that maximum is with ideal conditions, no heat or cold etc...also for adults. No info on children that I could find. It has been more than 5 days now and into the 6th night. Very scary.

No Comment! :snooty:

That would be something to reassure the public about right?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I really agree with your post, yet the BBM I am not so sure about. I am really scratching my head on this. They have no comment on the silliest things like was the picture taken that day or we believe he went missing on Friday, yet there are direct and clear about the family is too distraught type of thing. I find this extremely confusing. Unlike the other poster who said she is "dating the ransom theory" LOL loved that line; I am looking at...but only considering coffee at this point. This is such an unbelievable mystery. Who would marry any theory at this point:snooty:

What's BBM?

 

[AlexisFresca]

But how on earth would a person who knew the family and wanted to hurt them think they would just happen to get an opportunity inside of a school, of all places? Unless they are VERY close to family, they would have no way of knowing if SM was going to spend the day at the school, stay for the talent show, etc...and hanging around would be dangerous, if she would recognize them. I'm just not seeing it, but I sure have been wrong in some other cases...

Its not impossible. If they were familiar with the school and its upcoming events, its 'routine', etc, they may have seen a 'window of opportunity'. There is no way of knowing how long this person observed the family, its routine, planned this out and the timing just worked in their favor. For all we know, the alleged abductor may have not even planned for this to go down on the day it did, but the opportunity presented itself and this person just ran with it. jmo

I've read it happening in other abduction cases, where a school (for example) was cased out and a particular student was focused on as the target. Sometimes the abductor will try for days before they succeed with their plans.

 

[Chili Fries]

This is about to win my award for one of the most confusing cases ever. I keep going back and forth between he's lost, abducted by a stranger, abducted by someone he knows, held for ransom..etc. I can't figure this out

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that law enforcement is feeling the same way to some extent. It's very common for them to run parallel investigations checking out different scenarios.

 

[liz b.]

A few weeks ago my son, who is special needs, unlocked a window (because doors were deadbolted for this very reason), crawled out onto the porch, closed window behind him and went on an "adventure". What time he left we don't know, we were still asleep as it was a Sat. morning. When we realized he wasn't in his room asleep it took us less than 5 minutes to realize he wasn't on our property or neighbors property and I called 911. It was over 2 hours later that he was found, about a mile away, wandering in the woods on a old rr bed. He was having a good time and thankfully his only injuries were scratches from vines. LE's dog was on his trail but he was actually found by friends (who were immediately out hunting in droves). That was the longest 2 hours of my life and maybe because I read on here I was thinking in "websleuths mode", I was frantic and crying but I was thinking,,,,,but my experience was less than 3 hours total. Days? I'd need a rubber room. BTW, one of the first things I did was invite deputies into my house to search for anything/everything because as we know the family is always the first suspects.

This case with Kyron really is different from the norm, or either the LE department is bonkers.

Finch,
I've cared for many children like your son. Have you considered putting an alarm on his bedroom door,and windows ? Home Depot sells them.... Just a thought.So glad your boy was found safe,and hope Kyron is too...

 

[CharlestonGal]

If they feel Kyron could still be alive and be in the area they are searching...are they leaving water for him as was done in Florida, I wonder, in case they "miss" him? Are they using megaphones or loud speakers from the air? Are they doing any of the things that might help a live child? Of course we don't know, we hear about "cadaver dogs" IIRc and more searchers. Everything I am looking up is indicating that 3-7 days is about it for surviving without water and that maximum is with ideal conditions, no heat or cold etc...also for adults. No info on children that I could find. It has been more than 5 days now and into the 6th night. Very scary.

I'm sure they are leaving water and food. Probably flashlights and communication devices, too. People who are lost and wandering tend to cover the same ground over and over again, so if Kyron is out there it's not impossible that he'll stumble upon supplies.

 

[imamaze]

What's BBM?

BBM = Bolded by me

 

[CCup]

What's BBM?

BBM - bolded by me

 

[scandi]

I was under the impression that he was. According to his missing persons flier he was last seen wearing "a black tshirt with CSI in green letters, black cargo pants, white socks, and black sketchers sneakers with orange trim".

(http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

Thanks Kaylynn, Do you think a boy his age would wear the same shirt 2 days apart to school, unless it was his favorite shirt?

 

[RubyRed]

They have a criminal profiler on this case and I believe he told them to release Kyron's artwork as a means to humanize him to the kidnapper. I also believe that everything that LE and the family is saying or not saying is also per the direction of the profiler--that would include LE's statements that the family is free to talk yet the family not talking--it's all being done for a reason. One thing that I find startling that makes me think that it's an abduction is that LE has not stated that they are concerned with Kyron being out in the elements for such an extended period especially with the bad weather they had at the beginning--(and if I am wrong feel free to correct me). I also believe there is a strong possibility that the kidnapper knows the family, knows Kyron, possibly had a prior relationship with him (neighbor? babysitter?) and is a woman.

bbm

That is interesting that you think it is a woman.

 

[Dee10]

What's BBM?

Sorry it meant "bolded by me".

 

[SoCalSleuth]

But how on earth would a person who knew the family and wanted to hurt them think they would just happen to get an opportunity inside of a school, of all places? Unless they are VERY close to family, they would have no way of knowing if SM was going to spend the day at the school, stay for the talent show, etc...and hanging around would be dangerous, if she would recognize them. I'm just not seeing it, but I sure have been wrong in some other cases...

Perhaps they went to that school, perhaps they had or have a kid in that school, perhaps they work or worked there --and knew security was lax. Perhaps they were watching them and waiting for an opportunity when one presented itself. Not all kidnappers want to hurt the family or the kid, some want a kid for themselves. Not saying or implying that is what happened here, just commenting on your post!

 

[cluciano63]

Just out of curiousity, how many cases in the last 10 years have there for ransom? Do people really think they are going to get away with it?

I've been looking this up and can't find any for money, other than a few celebrities kids, since the 30's, in the US...

 

[AlexisFresca]

My family and I are locals to the area and my son who is KH's age brought up a very profound point. (this is coming from a little guy) " I think who ever took him needs to know what he likes to do for fun so he does not get too sad being away from his family and that is why they are showing his drawings, that he loves to play soccer and he likes to goof off and have fun." (talking about the photo with the easter basket/truck on his head). So that is my 8 yr olds:twocents:. He has been very concerned about this and is scared to go to school.

Awww, bless his heart! The world through a child's eyes is truly precious!

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I'm not seeing it either. If you are planning in advance to kidnap for ransom a specific 7 year old child I would think the riskiest plan would be to try it on a very busy morning at school with hundreds of people around.

There are much, much less riskier plans than that.

But what about John Gardner and Amber Dubois? If we belive him, he was driving around Broadway--an extremely busy street during school drop-off hours, with lots of kids walking to school, lots of kids being driven to school, construction work going on....but then he saw an opportunity, one lone kid on a side street--a mere 30 feet from Broadway--and in a flash she was gone.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/st_helens_police_arrest_man_ac.html

Has this been discussed?