OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[Tulessa]

Wow those are some really good posts, but it seems like some of you were having way too much fun.. I hate to say it but if I were there, I'd be hiding under a tarp also. I wouldn't want my friends or family to know that I hung out with this bunch of goobers. It would be best for him if he came out from under his tarp, or out of the closet. Maybe then he could get some help, after all admitting that you've got a problem is half the battle in recovery..

I wanted to double thank this post. So thank you again!

 

[i.b.nora]

Ya'll know that Ammon (who now thinks he is Rosa Parks) owns and runs with his brother Ryan, a business that services fleets of semi-trucks.

http://www.valetfleetservice.com/about-us.asp

Why would he risk the future of the business and the futures of all his employees and their families?

 

[pappa rob]

Ya'll know that Ammon (who now thinks he is Rosa Parks) owns and runs with his brother Ryan, a business that services fleets of semi-trucks.

http://www.valetfleetservice.com/about-us.asp

Why would he risk the future of the business and the futures of all his employees and their families?

He's delusional and just can't help himself.. or just a moron. If he can't take care of himself why would he worry about others.

 

[bluesneakers]

Ya'll know that Ammon (who now thinks he is Rosa Parks) owns and runs with his brother Ryan, a business that services fleets of semi-trucks.

http://www.valetfleetservice.com/about-us.asp

Why would he risk the future of the business and the futures of all his employees and their families?

Magical thinking.

 

[EllieBee]

These poor oppressed rich ranchers.

Who think they don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us, but sure do love them some gubmint handouts.


Sent from my fingertips using what remains of my brain.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Who think they don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us, but sure do love them some gubmint handouts.


Sent from my fingertips using what remains of my brain.

They said they didn't want to pay taxes? Link?

 

[Lilibet]

They said they didn't want to pay taxes? Link?

I assumed she was talking about Cliven Bundy refusing to pay his grazing fees to the government, but I could be wrong. I frequently am.

 

[pappa rob]

They said they didn't want to pay taxes? Link?

I don't know for sure, but I can't think of anyone offhand who really want's to pay taxes. But it is one of the two sure things in life... the other being death.

 

[bluesneakers]

I assumed she was talking about Cliven Bundy refusing to pay his grazing fees to the government, but I could be wrong. I frequently am.

I assumed the same thing.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...on-militia-fight-rosa-parks-article-1.2487016

The Rosa Parks tweet has been all over the media.

 

[EllieBee]

Ya'll know that Ammon (who now thinks he is Rosa Parks) owns and runs with his brother Ryan, a business that services fleets of semi-trucks.

http://www.valetfleetservice.com/about-us.asp

Why would he risk the future of the business and the futures of all his employees and their families?

Because it isn't about what is good or right, it is about grandstanding and chest beating. And other people don't matter. IMO.

Their FB pages are just one big vanity stroke. It is delusional.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Ok, so no link to someone refusing to pay taxes. That's what I thought. Thanks.

 

[Lilibet]

Because it isn't about what is good or right, it is about grandstanding and chest beating. And other people don't matter. IMO.

Their FB pages are just one big vanity stroke. It is delusional.

Yes it is delusional, and this is exactly why I keep reminding everyone that they may be funny, but they are very dangerous. I'm speaking of the whole Militia/Patriot movement, including this group in Oregon. They say they are willing to kill or die for their "ideals" and I believe them. (I've posted enough links, so I won't post them again.)

What concerns me now is that they will feel the need to "prove" that they are brave freedom fighters at some point...because no one is taking them seriously and the media is laughing at them. It may not happen at the refuge, but IMO they will do something more serious to get serious attention. It may be the act of a lone wolf connected to the militia whose feelings are hurt to the point of showing MSM that they are as tough as they claim they are. I hope I'm wrong but this is my fear. No one laughs at people who actually kill people.
JMO, MOO

 

[Lilibet]

Ok, so no link to someone refusing to pay taxes. That's what I thought. Thanks.

The person who posted that ranchers refuse to pay taxes isn't here on the thread right now. Maybe she'll post a link when she returns or explain what she meant.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge question whether the federal government has unequivocal legal rights to own and manage that land, without regard to the wishes of local property owners and ranchers.

Improbably, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on exactly that question, specifically regarding the lands of the original Malheur national refuge -- twice.

Those rulings by the nation's highest court, in 1902 and in 1935, found that the federal government has an incontrovertible claim to the refuge's wetlands and lakebeds, dating back to the 1840s, when Oregon was still a territory.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...rt_already_ruled_th.html#incart_story_package

Great expository piece by The Oregonian on how it came to be that SCOTUS has ruled twice on ownership and management of the Malheur refuge.

Rule of law. Imagine that.

 

[bluesneakers]

Ok, so no link to someone refusing to pay taxes. That's what I thought. Thanks.

Anyone who is familiar with the 2014 incident involving the Bundy patriarch and his standoff with the federal government — after the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) began seizing his cattle over unpaid grazing fees on federal land (amounting to over $1.2 million)

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/06/the_founding_fathers_wouldve_hated_the_bundy_siege/

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) wanted to seize his cows over $1.2m in unpaid fees for grazing on federal land over two decades. Bundy rejected the agency’s authority, making him a rightwing folk hero and triggering the fraught face-off.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch

Ammon Bundy has struggled in other ventures. A small business owner, he's been late the past two years paying his property taxes and county records show he lost a home to foreclosure in 2012. He says that the rental home was sold in a short sale.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...sf/2016/01/ammon_bundy_his_history_and_a.html

Rancher Cliven Bundy hasn’t paid the federal government its due in more 20 years. But this lawbreaker is not in jail; he’s grabbing headlines while ripping off American taxpayers.

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was all over the national media this past week when federal Bureau of Land Management agents seized his cattle to settle the more than $1 million in unpaid fines he’d racked up since 1993. Armed militants flocked to Bundy’s side, prompting the bureau to back off for fear of human safety.

The fines are a result of Bundy grazing his 900 cattle on 600,000 acres of bureau-managed public lands since 1993 without a permit. He’s ignored his fees, fines, permits and multiple court orders.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/econo...wes-american-taxpayers-for-his-cattle-grazing

 

[Everyday Grace]

Morning editorial round-up.

The Bend Bulletin:

Those are not narratives that will build support among Americans for changes in federal policies. Most Americans simply do not recognize their values in men with guns claiming property they don’t own or warmed-up arguments about the Constitution and federal ownership.

The Constitution is about the rule of law. It sets up a system that rewards justice, fairness, merit, hard work and innovation. It’s the very opposite of what’s happened in Burns.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/opinion...itorial-malheur-protest-is-the-wrong-solution

The Oregonian:

It is difficult to overlook the rustic glamour of Ammon Bundy, who leads the illegal armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, south of Burns. The square-jawed man with trim brown beard wears a plaid wool jack shirt, open-collar shirt underneath, and an impressive "lid" – a wide-brimmed cowboy hat fit for the range. It's as if the banished Marlboro man returns to life as Bundy so he can go before cameras and say crazy things that briefly slide by as reasonable: "The only violence that, if it comes our way, will be because government is wanting their building back," Bundy, the thief, told a reporter for NBC's "Today" show on Monday.

This is dangerous, around-the-bend behavior. It is neither terrorism nor civil disobedience but rather some hapless play-acting of coercive protest – configured to manipulate media and delivered with a dim homily about reducing the federal government's reach. More than anything, Bundy and his cronies, citing Constitutional rights they fail to explicate, pass themselves off as apple-pie patriots, hands on the trigger and ready to fight the good fight. They have watched too much TV.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/in_harney_county_may_the_anarc.html

The Arizona Republic:

(Four Arizonians have been identified as key players in this ridiculousness.)

The Constitution is about the rule of law, not armed standoffs.

This situation is volatile and the federal government is wise to go slow and avoid a shootout.

But when it’s all over, those responsible for an armed takeover of a federal building need to be treated like the criminals they are.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/01/04/oregon-militia-ammon-bundy/78274652/

 

[bluesneakers]

But when it’s all over, those responsible for an armed takeover of a federal building need to be treated like the criminals they are.

I'm not going to get my hopes up.

 

[pappa rob]

http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-native-tribe-uncomfortable-armed-standoff-over-land-131243928.html
“I just think they’re a bunch of glory hounds,” Charlotte Rodrique, the chairwoman of the federally recognized Burns Paiute Tribe, said in an interview on Tuesday at the tribal reservation’s meeting house. ‘Look at us, look at what we’re doing.’ I don’t give much credence to their cause.”
“I’m, like, hold on a minute, if you want to get technical about it … the land belongs to the Paiute here,” said Selena Sam, a member of the tribe’s council who waitresses at a local diner.

The tribe held a council meeting on Tuesday to discuss the sudden national attention land rights are once again getting.
Here's my vote as to who's deserving some land. Not a bunch of yahoos carrying guns demanding their imagined rights..

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/06/the_founding_fathers_wouldve_hated_the_bundy_siege/



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch


http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...sf/2016/01/ammon_bundy_his_history_and_a.html


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/econo...wes-american-taxpayers-for-his-cattle-grazing

Thanks, Blue;

Just now getting back to the thread and catching up. I had not bookmarked the articles I read about grazing fees and property taxes, so you saved me a lot of work!