OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[EllieBee]

That's my guess, Waco and RR. Any government assault on compound will probably end badly.

I vote for walling them in, playing a recorded message over and over loudly while sending low flying helicopters into area every so often. I'd also hope for nice big storm to go through area and not plow roads around it since they like to go into town.

IDK, I thought it might be fun to take them for mani/pedis, Frappucinos and maybe go to Painting With a Twist! Then we could put on our jammies and braid each other's hair.

I know it sounds awfully harsh compared to the treatment they have gotten thus far, but dangit, someone needs to stand up to these terrorists!!!!!

 

[Everyday Grace]

Concrete barriers went up outside the Harney County courthouse and sheriff’s office Friday morning in preparation for a possible protest, according to workers at the building.

Heavily armed sheriff’s deputies were seen on foot and in patrol trucks in the neighborhood around the courthouse in Burns.

Law enforcement and county workers indicated they were preparing for a possible protest, but it wasn’t immediately clear who would be protesting, or when.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...arney-county-courthouse/#.VpA2kqKgfzU.twitter

I'm thinking there's more to this than a "protest."

And, a message.

Harney County Sheriff's Office
STATEMENT FROM SHERIFF WARD (Jan. 8, 2016, 1:49 p.m.):

During this morning’s press conference, the people on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge made it clear that they have no intention of honoring the sheriff’s request to leave. Because of that, there are no planned meetings or calls at this time. However, the sheriff is keeping all options open.

https://m.facebook.com/105308132807...828.1053081328076653/1055495911168528/?type=3

 

[EllieBee]

It's more than just not being arrested - the sheriff did everything he could to placate Bundy at that ridiculous mano a mano. :blah:

"Terrorism's bad, mmkay?"

 

[bluesneakers]

Does anyone need a ride to Oregon?

MILITIA RIDESHARE OFFERS PHOENIX CRACKPOTS WAY TO JOIN AMMON BUNDY IN OREGON
Phoenix New Times
BY STEPHEN LEMONS
FRIDAY, JANUARY 8, 2016

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...ots-way-to-join-ammon-bundy-in-oregon-7954689

“You've got your camo, AR-15 and night-vision goggles ready, and you're eager to join your fellow "patriots" up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon, where former Phoenix resident Ammon Bundy and his armed crew of kooks have taken control of a federal compound in a bid to force the feds to turn over all federal land to county control.

But there's one problem: Your 4x4 is in the shop and you need a ride to the compound's remote address, preferably with a fellow Three Percenter, a term militia types use to compare themselves to the supposed three percent of colonists who fought the British during the Revolutionary War.

Thankfully, supporters of Bundy's group, Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, have created the "Oregon Militia Standoff - Rideshare" Facebook page, which is sort of like Lyft for right-wing loons.”​

More ...

This is actually a good serious article.

It's very good - thank you for the link.

Do you think the rideshare thing is for real? It's hard to tell from the FB page.

 

[katydid23]

I have watched many months of activists taking over crowded intersections, confronting drivers, kicking cars, setting cars on fire, walking against traffic in the middle of the road, shutting down businesses and council meetings, blocking entrances to stores, in dozens of cities. And in 90% of those incidents, the cops stepped back and allowed it all to happen, with little to no intervention. So I don't understand the 'white privilege' comments.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...arney-county-courthouse/#.VpA2kqKgfzU.twitter

I'm thinking there's more to this than a "protest."

And, a message.

https://m.facebook.com/105308132807...828.1053081328076653/1055495911168528/?type=3

I agree, but I'm wonder what a militia men riot would look like. Would they just drive by and shoot at everyone? Drive a big truck into the sheriff's office?

 

[Everyday Grace]

Past? Or Present?

(BBM)

Defense

Safeguarding individual rights against those that will take them is one of the greatest challenges of society. The taking of life, liberty or property is a transgression no matter who is doing the taking. Safety is most likely achieved when neighbors who, respect and love one another, band together in the defense of each others rights.

Prior to the Revolutionary War, Committees of Safety existed in the frontier or wilderness areas where the government did not provide any troops or other protection against Indian attacks. The community got together and built stockades, enrolled militia, commissioned officers, and set watches, all to secure the property and lives of the association members from threats from the savages.

It is the function of the Committee of Safety to call up able-body men and women to stand in defense of unalienable rights. The Committee of Safety is the governing body for the Militia and directs the Militia in its defensive actions.

In 1774, as the likelihood of war drew near, Committees were formed to assure that civil authority would continue. Worchester, Massachusetts, established a Committee of Safety; declared independence from British rule, discharged the militia, then opened the muster rolls, not allowing anybody with Tory sympathies to enroll, and commissioned officers; and, established courts to deal with criminal matters. They did not petition, they acted. The time for petitioning (redress of grievances) was over. They did not support candidates for the British government; they made their own government.

http://www.hccommitteeofsafety.org/responsibility-of-the-committee.html

Present.

And recent.

This is from the website for the Harney County Committee of Safety that was formed on December 15, 2015.

They have a meeting scheduled for tonight.

And,

Bundy said he expects to speak with Ward again today and feels closer to a resolution. He said his group could "transfer what we are doing" to a local group of supporters that planned to meet later on Friday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...doff_ammon_bundy_de.html#incart_story_package

 

[i.b.nora]

It's very good - thank you for the link.

Do you think the rideshare thing is for real? It's hard to tell from the FB page.

Yes, I think its real.

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...arney-county-courthouse/#.VpA2kqKgfzU.twitter

I'm thinking there's more to this than a "protest."

And, a message.



https://m.facebook.com/105308132807...828.1053081328076653/1055495911168528/?type=3

This WHOLE THING is more than a protest!

They stalked and intimidated park employees, have threatened violence should law enforcement attempt to do their jobs, and oh yeah- staged an armed and hostile takeover of a federal building.

These people are not peaceful, and they are not protesters, they are bullies and terrorists. And are being kowtowed to.

If they were peaceful protesters, they would have been tear gassed, pepper sprayed or rubber bulleted. Or shot to death. I am not advocating violent response; I want to why in the H3LL these people are not being treated like any other criminals, or for that matter, like people that "maybe did something bad" or "did not respect mah authoritah"?

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IMO. JMO. MOO.

 

[Everyday Grace]

I agree, but I'm wonder what a militia men riot would look like. Would they just drive by and shoot at everyone? Drive a big truck into the sheriff's office?

Big truck like in a Ryder van?

I think I can recall a precedent for that.

I'm thinking these are not there because of a "protest."

 

[bluesneakers]

Meanwhile in Texas...

Governor Abbott Unveils Texas Plan, Offers Constitutional Amendments To Restore The Rule Of Law

&#8220;The increasingly frequent departures from Constitutional principles are destroying the Rule of Law foundation on which this country was built,&#8221; said Governor Abbott. &#8220;We are succumbing to the caprice of man that our Founders fought to escape. The cure to these problems will not come from Washington D.C. Instead, the states must lead the way. To do that I am adding another item to the agenda next session. I want legislation authorizing Texas to join other states in calling for a Convention of States to fix the cracks in our Constitution.&#8221;

Governor Abbott offered the following constitutional amendments:

Prohibit Congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one State.

Require Congress to balance its budget.

Prohibit administrative agencies&#8212;and the unelected bureaucrats that staff them&#8212;from creating federal law.

Prohibit administrative agencies&#8212;and the unelected bureaucrats that staff them&#8212;from preempting state law.

Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law.

Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.

Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.

Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.

 

[EllieBee]

If you knock down one Bundy two will rise in its place.

Say what?

 

[bluesneakers]

Say what?

Meaning if you arrest one Bundy in town two more will magically appear at the refuge.

Like Hydra, except in camo.

I've been meaning to ask - how are these Bundys related to Al and family? And how are they related to Ted?

 

[TupeloMz]

Recall the last time the Bundy family and followers had a standoff with law enforcement, some of their followers returned to Las Vegas and proceeded to storm a Burger King and a Walmart, killling two police officers and an innocent bystander before killing themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings

Make no mistake, these aren't a bunch of buffoons. They're extremely dangerous, heavily armed people. It would be best to deal with them in a remote area, instead of waiting til they go to town.

I am no Bundy supporter but...
Jerad Miller was asked to leave the Bundy stand off because his " radical beliefs" were not aligned with their cause. Then he went and killed people. He may have been a Bundy follower but they weren't his leader. JMOO.

 

[Everyday Grace]

This WHOLE THING is more than a protest!

They stalked and intimidated park employees, have threatened violence should law enforcement attempt to do their jobs, and oh yeah- staged an armed and hostile takeover of a federal building.

These people are not peaceful, and they are not protesters, they are bullies and terrorists. And are being kowtowed to.

If they were peaceful protesters, they would have been tear gassed, pepper sprayed or rubber bulleted. Or shot to death. I am not advocating violent response; I want to why in the H3LL these people are not being treated like any other criminals, or for that matter, like people that "maybe did something bad" or "did not respect mah authoritah"?

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IMO. JMO. MOO.

Total agreement that this has always been more than a protest.

JMO, but I think the disparity in responses to the examples you give is due to threat assessment.

Protests, whether singular or serial, can be dealt with on case by case assessments.

This is a much larger threat. Not just because of who is there, but also because who and what is waiting in the wings.

Not to say that I think responses to protests haven't been met with an excess of force. I think they have been. MOO.

This is a whole different level of threat.

 

[KaaBoom]

My take from that video was that the sheriff wants them out of his county and is willing to escort them safely out. He also says what the Feds want to do about them occupying their building is up to the Feds.
I think he did the only thing he could do at this point. IMOO

How about plan B? First arrest the militia guys who are staying at the hotel, and who have been taking supplies to the refuge. Cut of cell phone communication, so they can&#8217;t communicate with their network of supporters. Then set up road blocks and cut off their supply lines, so no more hot pizzas get to the refuge. Then see how long they last under those conditions.

But thats not going to happen. Because the Sheriff supports these guys, contrary to what he says.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am no Bundy supporter but...
Jerad Miller was asked to leave the Bundy stand off because his " radical beliefs" were not aligned with their cause. Then he went and killed people. He may have been a Bundy follower but they weren't his leader. JMOO.

These are the kind of people the Bundy family attracts.

This quote from Jerad has a familiar ring to it:

I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. I really don't want violence toward them, but if they're going to come bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it.

Sounds a lot like Ammond Bundy earlier this week:

We have no intentions of using force upon anyone, but if force is used against us, we would defend ourselves.

JMO

 

[pappa rob]

If you knock down one Bundy two will rise in its place.

That's true to a point sooner or later you'll run out of morons, I think.. It might take a pretty long time.

 

[Lilibet]

I am not for violently doing anything. Just pointing out the differences on how these armed people get treatment like they are merely camping and need a break to go into town.

There are lots of great Federal places. I think I would like to stay for a few weeks somewhere for free. I hve learned from this to bring my own snacks though

BBM

Yes, there are differences. My previous post explained the differences. I will stand by that explanation.

 

[EllieBee]

Meaning if you arrest one Bundy in town two more will magically appear at the refuge.

Like Hydra, except in camo.

I've been meaning to ask - how are these Bundys related to Al and family? And how are they related to Ted?

Now that would be a fun family picnic........