OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #3

[octobermoon]

So....can we talk about David Fry being Jewish? I did not see that coming at all!

I don't think he really is. Article says he praised Hitler in the past...

“I want to say goodbye to LaVoy, but then I have to go home,” Fry told OPB the afternoon of Jan. 14. “I think I make some of the guys nervous here because of the bad things people are saying about me.”


Militant Website Creator David Fry: ‘I’m Not ISIS’
Those “bad things” included criticism that Fry supported the radical terrorist group ISIS and had repeatedly praised Adolph Hitler in long, anti-Semitic rants. OPB had just published an article about Fry hacking into the federally owned computers at the refuge, revealing those details and others.


http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...avoy-finicum-malheur-refuge-occupatin-oregon/

 

[Donjeta]

Cliven Bundy is suffering from blood pressure that is “quite high, dangerously so”, his public defender Ruben Iñiguez testified today in federal court in Portland.

Iñiguez said Bundy had prescription blood pressure medicine in a carry-on bag he had with him when he was arrested at the airport in Portland. Iñiguez asked the court to locate and return the medications to Bundy.

But judge Janice Stewart said the normal protocol was for the defendant to be checked out by a physician in prison and obtain any necessary medication through the doctor. Iñiguez countered that the medicines in the bag would speed up the prescription-writing process, but Stewart said she would stick with the protocol.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-live-coverage-oregon-malheur-wildlife-refuge

The judge also strongly urged the outspoken Bundy not to talk about the case with anyone aside from his attorney. Asked whether he understood, Bundy mumbled, “yes.”

It was the only word he said before the court in the first day of hearings.

The judge also said the court would need to determine whether he had the finances to pay for his own attorney or be allowed to continue with a court-appointed one.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/cliven-bundy-arrested-charges-oregon-milita-standoff

Briana Bundy, wife of Cliven’s son Mel Bundy, criticized federal prosecutors for going after the family patriarch for a standoff that happened in 2014. “If they have something to charge him with, why didn’t they do it two years ago?” she said, adding of the accusations. “They are all bogus, and it’s nonsense.”

Baily Logue, Cliven’s 24-year-old daugher, told the Guardian: “Anytime anyone speaks out against the federal government, we are taken down, put into jail and detained … But we’re not backing down, and this is not going to make us any weaker at all. This is only making us stronger.”

He has not been charged for speaking out against the government. He has been charged for:

The complaint refers specifically to the events of 12 April 2014, when Bundy allegedly directed his supporters in a planned assault on the corralled cattle, describing how the group divided in two in order to distract law enforcement agents in one area while sending another group to attack law enforcement’s “most vulnerable point”.

The group allegedly “took tactically superior positions on high ground”, with some gunmen assuming “sniper positions behind concrete barriers, their assault rifles aimed directly at officers below”. The group is also accused of using unarmed protesters as “human shields” to hide the activity of armed protesters.

The tactics of Bundy’s followers were successful. Law enforcement officers found themselves outnumbered and outmatched, and abandoned the cattle.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...militia-news-updates/malheur-occupation-ends/

As the occupation continued, it took a toll on federal employees in Harney County, especially those who worked at the refuge. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service removed their workers from the county after militants made numerous threats.

“I would say this is the most disrupted my life has ever been,” said one frustrated and angered employee.

OPB agreed to withhold the identity of the employee because armed militants who took over the refuge have made threats against federal employees.

“Knowing that they’re combing through all of our files, everything that we have that’s government and personal at the refuge, that they have access to our computers, that they know everything from my Social Security number to my shoe size,” the current employee said, “it’s a great sense of violation.”

Lost in the final hours of the occupation was the original motive for starting it: the imprisonment of Dwight and Steven Hammond. The militants didn’t mention the Harney County ranchers in the closing moments. Instead, they focused on whether they would be able to live to tell their story.

Fiore gave this advice to militant Sandy Anderson about writing her story: “Be detailed Sandy, be very, very detailed,” Fiore said. “Like that author did in Fifty Shades of Grey.”

Lots of steamy sex scenes?

“The option is you go out there and they get you, and it’s a felony crime and it’s a prison sentence,” Fry told OPB. “A lot of us are scared of that option.

Well, you know, there's always the option not to commit a felony...

 

[Donjeta]

"Christ died at 33. He died for what he believed in," Fry said at one point. "He didn't just go along and try to live a selfish life. … The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."

His grievances were incoherent, ranging from rants about abortion in America to drone strikes to marijuana to the protests after Trayvon Martin's death. He said Obama was a traitor and that he didn't want to pay his taxes. He complained about preferential treatment for jailed Wall Street bankers and said he was afraid of being raped in prison.

As the conversation went on, he veered further into conspiracy, saying the government was "chemically mutating people" and talking about UFOs and the government suppressing inventions.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/11/10969080/oregon-standoff-david-fry

Finally, Fry stopped talking to Hall and Seim and began talking to an FBI negotiator. Within a few minutes, the situation was resolved.

"They're going to at least say a hallelujah," Fry said jubilantly, saying he was going to "get a cookie and one more cigarette" before surrendering with an "alrighty then."

The moral of the story: let the professionals do their job.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/02/david...-video-audio-youtube-fbi-suicide-isis-photos/

Fry created a website for the movement, but it was later deleted because he registered the address as the White House.

“I felt like this was a good place to maybe make a change for America,” he told The Oregonian.

Fry has a criminal record, including convictions for drug possession, possession of marijuana paraphernalia and having an insufficient life jackets while floating on a river in an inflatable raft, the Oregonian reports.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...occupier_david_fry_said_some_weird_stuff.html

@mollykyoung
Fry says he should be able to opt out of taxes and earn money without paying for abortions. #Oregonstandoff

"I can't" says Fry re: walking out. Says he's concerned about being raped in prison #Oregonstandoff

@mollykyoung
"All I needed was marijuana," Fry yells. "You guys wouldn't even let me have marijuana."

@killendave
Fry now saying "UFOs are real" #Oregonstandoff

@Jacob_Brogan Fry: "The government needs to stop chemically mutating people." His "grievances" are those of Fox Mulder. #Oregonstandoff

Well but now they have been aired.

If he surrendered with the rest of them, now he'd be just another guy in jail. Instead he's famohe's a famous paranoid pothead.

I wonder if he ever got any psychiatric help.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't think he really is. Article says he praised Hitler in the past...

“I want to say goodbye to LaVoy, but then I have to go home,” Fry told OPB the afternoon of Jan. 14. “I think I make some of the guys nervous here because of the bad things people are saying about me.”


Militant Website Creator David Fry: ‘I’m Not ISIS’
Those “bad things” included criticism that Fry supported the radical terrorist group ISIS and had repeatedly praised Adolph Hitler in long, anti-Semitic rants. OPB had just published an article about Fry hacking into the federally owned computers at the refuge, revealing those details and others.


http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...avoy-finicum-malheur-refuge-occupatin-oregon/

It doesn't seem like his rants are born out of any coherent worldview, instead there's a lot of random fear and anger and triggering. He has said other contradictory things, and if there is no injustice to rail against he will make some up.

 

[Donjeta]

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that Blomgren was arrested Wednesday night in Mesquite, Nevada, which is near the Bundy ranch, northeast of Las Vegas.

Blomgren appeared before a magistrate judge Thursday and was ordered held without bail while being transferred to Oregon, the newspaper reported. Assistant U.S. Attorney Nicholas Dickinson said Blomgren left his home in North Carolina, picked up another person in Tennessee and arrived in Oregon on Jan. 10.

Blomgren remained as an "armed occupier" of the refuge until Jan. 26, the Review-Journal reported that the prosecutor said.

Blomgren had a handgun in his possession when he was arrested and had tried unsuccessfully to purchase an AR-15 rifle in Mesquite, the newspaper reported.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/5_more_indicted_in_oregon_refu.html


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-arrested-by-FBI-in-southern-Utah.html?pg=all

Deputies were asked Thursday morning to set up containment around the Utah hotel where FBI agents planned to arrest Cooper, said Washington County Sheriff's Sgt. Dave Crouse.

"They requested our assistance just in providing scene security and making sure there would be no undue alert to the public," Crouse said. "The subject was taken into custody without incident."

Cooper was booked into the Purgatory Correctional Facility in Washington County. His first hearing is scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday in federal court in St. George. Kjar, who is being held in the Weber County Jail where he was booked Thursday, will attend a hearing at 3 p.m. Friday in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City.

In the Arts and Entertainment section:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...andoff-livestream-heres-what-it-sounded-like/

I listened to live audio of the Oregon standoff. This is how riveting and ridiculous it was.

“I don’t want to go to jail,” said Sandy at one point.

What if they drop the charges? Sean said.

“They won’t,” Sandy said. “They won’t.”

“Then let’s just die here,” Sean said. “I’m not gonna stay here and freeze my off all night.”

Assemblywoman Fiore interjected from the road: “Hey, you guys want us to pick up McDonald’s on the way there?”
Meanwhile, the audio stream on YouTube broadcasted a whirl of invective and prayer, paranoia and hysteria, fatalism and patriotism. As they took turns with their cellphone, Sean and Sandy criticized numerous aspects of American society: irresponsible baby boomers, ignorant millennials, Obamacare, firearm background checks, the neutered media, and Common Core. They listened to Seim recite Psalm 92. Sean invoked the Geneva Conventions and the Boston Tea Party and the riots in Ferguson. He wanted the FBI to stand down. Sandy wanted any pending charges against them to be dropped, and insisted the occupation was a peaceful protest not a combative militia.

Psalm 92 for reference:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-92/

Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.

14 They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;

If they gain weight it will prove they were right.

“

We’ve got steaks,” Sandy said. “We got pork. We’ve got everything. We just had pork fried rice for lunch. We had bacon and eggs and sausage for breakfast.”

“Well that doesn’t sound so bad,” Seim said.

“Exactly,” Sandy said. “That’s why I know God said we should be here. If He didn’t want us here fighting, He would’ve made it difficult.”

As long as there is bacon, we're on God's path. (God did their grocery shopping?)

So what was David's breakfast? most Messianic Jews still try to keep kosher and wouldn't eat pork
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Jewish_theology


http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/who_is_krisanne_hall_conservat.html

The phone call's tone shifted with Hall's arrival on the line. What had until then felt like a crisis negotiation became a monologue on Hall's political views with pauses in which she checked in on the occupiers.

Her speech won Hall social media ridicule, with some saying she was doing more harm than good.

http://www.oregonlive.com/geek/2016/02/oregon_standoff_americas_first.html

The showdown forced Burns, a small town of 2,800 people, to come to terms with the new Wild West of digital hyper-sharing. The future of "dialogic transmission systems" had arrived in rural Oregon.

At an early town hall meeting with the Bundy boys, more than one person urged neighbors to just stay off Facebook.

Amazingly, before the wildlife refuge siege, the Harney County Sheriff's Office didn't even have a Twitter account. That changed quickly. In the end, the agency was sending out notices like an old pro

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/u...to-spotlight-during-oregon-standoff.html?_r=0

In November, during a discussion on a Las Vegas radio station, she seemed to endorse violence against Syrian refugees, whose resettlement in the United States has become a contentious issue after the terror attacks in Paris.

“I’m about to fly to Paris and shoot them in the head myself,” Ms. Fiore said. “I am not O.K. with Syrian refugees. I am not O.K. with terrorists. I’m O.K. with putting them down, blacking them out.”

She later said that the impulse toward violence was meant to refer only to terrorists, not all Syrian refugees.

Yeah that's what she said.

On her weekly radio program, “Walk the Talk,” Ms. Fiore once endorsed a widely discredited theory about cancer — that it’s a fungus, according to The Washington Post. She was promoting a bill that she said would allow unapproved treatments for people with terminal illnesses.

“If you have cancer, which I believe is a fungus, and we can put a pic line into your body and we’re flushing with, say, salt water, sodium carbonate, through that line and flushing out the fungus,” she said, according to The Post. “These are some procedures that are not FDA-approved in America that are very inexpensive, cost-effective.”

Yeah that'll work.

The video transcript is nonsensical but the video contains David Fry's grievances about marihuana in case anyone missed it.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/dramatic-end-armed-standoff-oregon-36877127

http://www.oregonlive.com/environme...oice_as_oregon_stan.html#incart_story_package

With David Fry's surrender to FBI agents Thursday morning, birders and environmentalists breathed a collective sigh of relief.

They'd grown increasingly anxious watching as the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge that began Jan. 2 dragged on for weeks and then for more than a month. Fry was among a group of four holdouts who dug in after the departure of most occupiers Jan. 26 and 27.

With each passing day, the standoff posed a greater threat to the spring migration that draws millions of shorebirds, waterfowl and songbirds to the 187,000-acre bird sanctuary.

"This couldn't have ended soon enough," said Harv Schubothe, president of the Oregon Birding Association.

"This couldn't have ended soon enough," said Harv Schubothe, president of the Oregon Birding Association.

Spring thaw is just around the corner, and Schubothe worried what might happen if U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service personnel couldn't be present to direct the flow of melting water. He feared northbound swans, geese and sandhill cranes might arrive at Malheur to find dry meadows where wetlands should be. Unmanaged melt of this year's copious snowpack could also cause flooding that might breach levies and wash out roads.

The standoff also threatened the Harney County Migratory Bird Festival, an April event that offers a major tourism boost for the county.

 

[i.b.nora]

I have been reading a few of this morning's articles about the last few hours of the happy camper's standoff.

Les Zaitz for the Oregonian must have been listening to a totally different livestream than myself and others. His recounting of it bears little resemblance to what I heard. It leaves me scratching my head and wondering if I should listen to a playback.

Les Zaitz article: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...andoff_ends_with_a_ha.html#incart_maj-story-1

On the other hand, Kelly House, also for the Oregoian, focuses her article on KrisAnn Hall and comes a little closer to what I think I heard.

Kelly's article: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/who_is_krisanne_hall_conservat.html

Off to read more.

 

[Donjeta]

I have been reading a few of this morning's articles about the last few hours of the happy camper's standoff.

Les Zaitz for the Oregonian must have been listening to a totally different livestream than myself and others. His recounting of it bears little resemblance to what I heard. It leaves me scratching my head and wondering if I should listen to a playback.

Les Zaitz article: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...andoff_ends_with_a_ha.html#incart_maj-story-1

On the other hand, Kelly House, also for the Oregoian, focuses her article on KrisAnn Hall and comes a little closer to what I think I heard.

Kelly's article: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/who_is_krisanne_hall_conservat.html

Off to read more.

I think Les Zaitz sounds like he's writing about stuff that happened off the livestream mostly. He's reciting things that Fiore or someone else told him someone said.

The surrenders started after Fiore and Graham headed to a spot near the encampment in one of the armored trucks, witnesses said. The FBI kept media at a roadblock six miles away.

Fiore and Graham took turns addressing the protesters over a loudspeaker on the truck. Fiore told The Oregonian/OregonLive that she could see the camp through a bullet-proof window.

"We told them, 'We're here for you,'" Fiore said.

Fiore said she and Graham were allowed to get out and talk to the Andersons.

"We hugged them. We prayed with them," Fiore said. "It was such a calming feeling to know they were safe."

Banta, known as the loner of the group, came next and was allowed to meet Fiore and Graham. According to Fiore, he told the two simply: "Thank you."

 

[i.b.nora]

I think Les Zaitz sounds like he's writing about stuff that happened off the livestream mostly. He's reciting things that Fiore or someone else told him someone said.

I read it again, and I think you are right, thanks.

 

[Donjeta]

Conrad WilsonVerified account ‏@conradjwilson 46 mins46 minutes ago
Signs outside a ranch on the road to the refuge, behind the FBI checkpoint, read "Thank you FBI," and "Thank you OSP." #Oregonstandoff

The cutest tweet of the standoff: twitter.com/KPAULPNW/status/697891430518263808

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...harges/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

More charges coming up for America's finest:

Four people listed as Cliven Bundy’s criminal co-conspirators in the 2014 Nevada standoff “have been arrested and are detained on federal charges lodged in another district,” according to the complaint.

The complaint does not name those co-conspirators, but details in the document make it possible to identify them as Cliven Bundy’s sons Ryan and Ammon Bundy, Montana militia leader Ryan Payne and Internet broadcaster Peter Santilli.

“On April 12, Bundy and his co-conspirators organized and led a massive armed assault against federal law enforcement officers,” the complaint states.

 

[JanetElaine]

The cutest tweet of the standoff: twitter.com/KPAULPNW/status/697891430518263808

:loveyou:

 

[i.b.nora]

Maxine Bernstein
Maxine Bernstein – Verified account ‏@maxoregonian

2 previously unnamed defendants accused of federal conspiracy in Mahleur takeover: Geoffrey Stanek, 26, and Travis Cox #Oregonstandoff
11:00 AM - 12 Feb

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My note: It is not believed that Travis Cox is related to Shawna.

 

[LinasK]

So....can we talk about David Fry being Jewish? I did not see that coming at all!

Here's your answer:Messianic Jewish theology is the study of God and Scripture from the perspective of Messianic Judaism, a disputed movement that claims to be a legitimate form of Judaism, but is considered by most Christians and Jews to be a form of Christianity. BBM. Thank Goodness he does NOT actually belong to my religion!!

 

[Donjeta]

Maxine Bernstein
Maxine Bernstein – Verified account ‏@maxoregonian

2 previously unnamed defendants accused of federal conspiracy in Mahleur takeover: Geoffrey Stanek, 26, and Travis Cox #Oregonstandoff
11:00 AM - 12 Feb

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My note: It is not believed that Travis Cox is related to Shawna.

There's a disgruntled relative on Geoff's Facebook page saying he skipped paying his rent and caused them big financial problems when he ran off to the standoff. Someone says he's a honorable brave man standing for your freedom, give him the respect he deserves.

His picture:
http://www.gettyimages.fi/detail/ne...oins-other-protesters-at-news-photo/505151634

 

[LinasK]

There's a disgruntled relative on Geoff's Facebook page saying he skipped paying his rent and caused them big financial problems when he ran off to the standoff. Someone says he's a honorable brave man standing for your freedom, give him the respect he deserves.

His picture:
http://www.gettyimages.fi/detail/ne...oins-other-protesters-at-news-photo/505151634

Skipping out on your rent is honorable and brave???

 

[human]

I was out all day and didn't even check the news because I wanted to read it here first. Thank you all for the play-by-play, the color commentary, the breakdown, and the wrap up!!

Do you still want to go with the BLUE sneakers?

 

[Donjeta]

Maxine BernsteinVerified account ‏@maxoregonian 15 mins15 minutes ago
Fed conspiracy defendant Geoffrey Stanek was allowed to be released pending trial after entering not guilty plea in fed Crt #Oregonstandoff

 

[i.b.nora]

Maxine Bernstein
Maxine Bernstein – Verified account ‏@maxoregonian

The final 4 holdouts from refuge takeover all entered not guilty pleas - will have detention hearings next Fri 2/19 #Oregonstandoff
2:33 PM - 12 Feb 2016

 

[Donjeta]

Harney County Judge Steven Grasty, who also serves on the county commission, said the total cost to the county could reach $500,000. Grasty said the county plans to seek reimbursement directly from the occupiers, and is prepared to take legal action.

"If you're going to come in and undo a little a community, come prepared to pay the cost of it," he said.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/20...ernment-occupiers-to-pay-for-Malheur-standoff



http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/idaho/sheriff-supports-andersons-actions-in-oregon-standoff/41358317

GRANGEVILLE, Idaho -- Sean and Sandra Anderson of Riggins, Idaho, made some poor choices when they joined the occupiers at a wildlife refuge in Oregon, but they did nothing wrong.

That's the opinion of Idaho County Sheriff Doug Giddings.

Even though the couple posted videos and social media messages urging violence against the government, the sheriff says they were only exercising their First Amendment right to free speech.

 

[SuzDuJour]

Since Sheriff Doug thinks Sandy and Sean did nothing wrong, I'm thinking about moving into his taxpayer paid office and maybe set up a cot and a bonfire. Please send snacks. Snickers would be good. Maybe s'mores...