OR OR - Union Co, Finley Creek Jane Doe, UnsFem 14-25, UP11902, preg, on wooded hillside, Aug'78

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

I’m just curious, but how many of you guys genuinely believe that FCJD could be Patty?

So when we are in a situation like this, we have to remain cautiously optimistic. We have to remember that the FCJD “dentals” only consist of a handwritten chart, no physical X-Rays. Patty has physical X-rays. Both individuals had a silver filling in tooth #30 and #31. With a consultation with three other dentists and Patty’s daughter recently, the teeth do line up tooth to tooth based on the photos and the x-rays compared (the images are too graphic to share).

But again, we still remain cautiously optimistic. In the meantime, however, we still field other tips and look into them as best as we can. We do not leave any stone unturned.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

After reading the email from Dr. Vance above, I don't think Patty is FCJD. I don't think Dr. Vance does either JMO.

Dr. Vance doesn’t necessarily believe she’s FCJD only because she’s limited to what she can do in this case. We don’t have DNA, dental x-rays, or evidence in this case; however she still remains open to looking into her again in the future should something compelling come up, like the current efforts to extract DNA from a set of cremains that were located recently in Walla Walla County.

We do hope that the result will yield a positive extraction from the cremains, but as mentioned previously, we remain cautiously optimistic that the cremains and Patty Otto are one and the same.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

According to the article, her father in law was hunting with his father and they discovered Finley Creek JD's remains in 1978. That to me, is kinda like having a bit of insider knowledge or I don't know what the term would be...(or would it be "insider exposure??") I don't know what the term would be???

I think the recon looks Suzette, but the recon was done with extremely limited information.

You are correct! Her father in law was the boy on the camping trip that stumbled upon the remains in 1978. Her FIL and Lee Parr, her FIL’s father, physically saw the remains. Recently, he actually helped FCJD Task Force and Suzanne, along with a K-9 team, go to the spot where she was located. Before then, we didn’t have a EXACT location until FIL showed the team where it was, and he still hasn’t forgot the details.

Suzanne did not come to this realization until after she started getting involved with us. Unfortunately, Lee Parr has since passed away (2009), but his son has been very helpful.

 

[Bit of hope]

Dr. Vance doesn’t necessarily believe she’s FCJD only because she’s limited to what she can do in this case. We don’t have DNA, dental x-rays, or evidence in this case; however she still remains open to looking into her again in the future should something compelling come up, like the current efforts to extract DNA from a set of cremains that were located recently in Walla Walla County.

We do hope that the result will yield a positive extraction from the cremains, but as mentioned previously, we remain cautiously optimistic that the cremains and Patty Otto are one and the same.

Hoping with all of you that the cremains will bring something to "the table".

 

[Bit of hope]

According to the article, her father in law was hunting with his father and they discovered Finley Creek JD's remains in 1978. That to me, is kinda like having a bit of insider knowledge or I don't know what the term would be...(or would it be "insider exposure??") I don't know what the term would be???

I think the recon looks Suzette, but the recon was done with extremely limited information.

Wouldn't it be kind of questionable that this particular people (father in law and his father) happened to stumble upon this remains of Patty.....It doesn't sit right with me....

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

Wouldn't it be kind of questionable that this particular people (father in law and his father) happened to stumble upon this remains of Patty.....It doesn't sit right with me....

Not necessarily. Lee Parr likely didn’t even know the Otto’s at this time. Also, they lived in Milton-Freewater, Oregon. It’s just a very interesting coincidence based on the info gathered.

But certainly makes for interesting dinner talk! Lol

 

[Bit of hope]

Not necessarily. Lee Parr likely didn’t even know the Otto’s at this time. Also, they lived in Milton-Freewater, Oregon. It’s just a very interesting coincidence based on the info gathered.

But certainly makes for interesting dinner talk! Lol

This would certainly not be a topic at my dinner table. My loved ones don't even understand WS or my passion...recommending me to stop because it's hurtful and depressing.

 

[Bit of hope]

Somehow I don't think this is Patty....wishing closure to her family...we have to wait now.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

W

This would certainly not be a topic at my dinner table. My loved ones don't even understand WS or my passion...recommending me to stop because it's hurtful and depressing.

Well, I don’t mean to be offensive. If my dry humor was offensive, I do apologize.

 

[carbuff]

According to the article, her father in law was hunting with his father and they discovered Finley Creek JD's remains in 1978. That to me, is kinda like having a bit of insider knowledge or I don't know what the term would be...(or would it be "insider exposure??") I don't know what the term would be???

I think the recon looks Suzette, but the recon was done with extremely limited information.

I think the recon looks more like Suzette than like Patty.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

I appreciate everyone’s input! We can only see what happens when we get the results of the cremains from Lakehead back. From there, we will handover our findings to the Oregon state medical examiners office and I am very certain that if they working DNA profile is available based on these tests, they will likely pursue as many missing women’s cases, especially Patty’s!

 

[Springrain]

DBM

 

[Springrain]

I don't think Finley Creek JD and Patty are the same person. The dental discrepancies are hard for me to overlook. I know both charts may be poor, but the fact that she'd have to get dental work done after disappearing, but before dying, is off to me, and the post-mortem interval doesn't work. The PMI is a pretty big discrepancy IMO. I also get the impression that neither the odontologist, nor Dr. Vance, think they're the same person, even if they can't definitively rule Patty out. All JMO. I do hope they are able to find out whose remains are in Walla Walla, identify FCJD, and find out what happened to Patty.

As a side note I think the NamUs rule out list should be more definitive and probably only list 100% rule outs.

 

[Adderall]

This would certainly not be a topic at my dinner table. My loved ones don't even understand WS or my passion...recommending me to stop because it's hurtful and depressing.

I'm so fortunate my mom shares in my "interests". Growing up she shared her love of true crime and missing person's cases and to this day we still can bond over it.

I'm convinced this woman could be who we're looking for. Too many coincidences.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

I don't think Finley Creek JD and Patty are the same person. The dental discrepancies are hard for me to overlook. I know both charts may be poor, but the fact that she'd have to get dental work done after disappearing, but before dying, is off to me, and the post-mortem interval doesn't work. The PMI is a pretty big discrepancy IMO. I also get the impression that neither the odontologist, nor Dr. Vance, think they're the same person, even if they can't definitively rule Patty out. All JMO. I do hope they are able to find out whose remains are in Walla Walla, identify FCJD, and find out what happened to Patty.

As a side note I think the NamUs rule out list should be more definitive and probably only list 100% rule outs.

Oh absolutely! Our goal is that if ultimately the cremains do not belong to FCJD or Patty, we will find out who they belong to and have them given to the family. Our partnership with Walla Walla County’s coroner Dr. Richard Greenwood and the Task Force has been very special. And if it wasn’t for the late Dr. Kathy Taylor, who facilitated everything right before her passing, this would not be happening now. We are very grateful to them.

 

[Mireille]

Oh absolutely! Our goal is that if ultimately the cremains do not belong to FCJD or Patty, we will find out who they belong to and have them given to the family. Our partnership with Walla Walla County’s coroner Dr. Richard Greenwood and the Task Force has been very special. And if it wasn’t for the late Dr. Kathy Taylor, who facilitated everything right before her passing, this would not be happening now. We are very grateful to them.

Have you guys considered Barbara Ann Bryson?

She has dentals, but I can not check if she is ruled out already. She just carries a remarkable resemblance. Especially around the chin and the eyes.

 

[JasonFutchLakeCityFL]

Have you guys considered Barbara Ann Bryson?

She has dentals, but I can not check if she is ruled out already. She just carries a remarkable resemblance. Especially around the chin and the eyes.

She has not been considered by our group or MEO. I’ll go ahead and submit it! Thank you!

 

[Mireille]

She has not been considered by our group or MEO. I’ll go ahead and submit it! Thank you!

Thank you so much! She is from Oregon so I feel she at least should be compared. She went missing in 1971, under vague circumstances. Her case is not that well documented from what I gather. A fellow Sleuth found she had wed in February 1971, and I wondered if it was a shotgun wedding, she'd be (at least , if it was the case) around 5 months along at the time she went missing in July 1971.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

DBM Wrong thread.

 

[summergirl1]

I don't think she is Patty. For one thing, this Jane Doe was rather far along in her pregnancy and there is no evidence that Patty was pregnant at all from what I've read, much less far along. Yeah, maybe if she was pregnant and trying to hide it, her husband may have thought (I'm assuming rightly?) that it was someone else's child and that could have been what led him to kill her..as well as thinking she wasn't faithful to him. I know I read in addition she had dated someone else earlier that year when she was on a break from her husband who she was trying to leave, and of course he would have been aware of that. Patty and Patty's daughter do resemble this Jane Doe, but I think it is just too far fetched of a match. It would be nice to solve both mysteries.