Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #68 *Appeal Verdict*

[aftermath]

but, but, big, bad dangerous intruder was hiding in the bathroom.....

He didn't know that until he got to the bathroom himself.Up until then the intruder could have been making his way along the passage towards the bedroom

 

[LemonMousse]

The bathroom key puzzles me. He claims he didn't see Reeva until he managed to open the door yet he saw a key on the floor.

He saw her for the first time when he pulled out the plank, then saw the key and opened the door.

Personally, I don't think the door was ever locked. Reeva was holding it closed, which is why her hip was slightly angled in the direction of the handle.

This is pure speculation I admit....but that key had another on the fob and both were attached to a green storage type tag. Not the type of key you have hanging out of a frequently used internal door.

I think one key fit the bedroom door, and the other the toilet....and one of them fetched it from elsewhere earlier that night to lock the other out of the bedroom (bearing in mind the bash marks). When Pistorius went upstairs again after the shooting he picked up the key and put it in the bathroom to support his story about Reeva being locked in the toilet and him having to break it down.

 

[Tortoise]

BIB by that time a real intruder could have attacked them in their bedroom

No you're wrong, how is it longer from bed to bedroom door than from bed to wardrobe passage? and he had a gun in his hand, so it's no more dangerous than going to the bathroom with gun in hand.

 

[aftermath]

But once he had his gun he had as much protection as he possibly could have. Why then put himself in harms way for no reason when hiding in the bedroom with the gun pointed at the door is a hundred times safer than hobbling down a dark corridor to who knows what round the corner......screaming so they know you're on your way?

He did nothing to try and protect himself. Nothing. Why?

Staying put in the bedroom and covering the passageway with the gun would seem to be a much better option, with the benefit of hindsight. Not doing what you or I might think to be a better option doesn't make someone immediately guilty of anything other than reacting differently to how we think he should have reacted.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why did Oscar break down the door after firing 4 shots in the door at a home invasioner ?

Was he trying to make sure that he killed the invasioner. Btw. I NEVER HEARD HIM SAY THAT HE TRIED TO EXIT THE HOUSE. BUT ONCE HE REALIZED THAT REEVA WASN'T DOWN STAIRS OR OUTSIDE; THAT HE DECIDED TO GO BACK UP AND THEN BREAK DOWN THE BATHROOM DOOR.

SO WHY DID HE BREAK DOWN THE DOOR IF HE DIDN'T GO DOWNSTAIRS TO CHECK IN on REEVA first?

LOL. Jmo. MASSIPA WAS PAID OFF DUE TO HER LACK OF QUESTIONS.

SHE IS OBVIOUSLY WORST THAN HIM. JMO

He supposedly acted like he didn't know that Reeva was in there.

But he never mentioned that he checked downstairs or outside before breaking down the door

 

[Hazy]

Easier to defend and protect when you are not struggling to negotiate stairs on your stumps?

And Hazy is absolutely 100% right.



An armed intruder seems to be the only "emergency" that would leave Pistorius powerless to escape. If there was a fire or the ceiling was falling in, would he have died because he didn't want to risk the hall tiles on his stumps?

Thanks

The poor me I'm disabled angle from OP and the defence drives me crazy.

On his stumps OP is more able than some people with complete legs, an arthritic elderly person for example or a person with another mobility affecting disability such as cerbal palsy.

 

[Noisy Fan]

He didn't have to go downstairs. In fact, he didn't even have to leave the bedroom.

If he wanted to scare people out of the bathroom with the least danger to himself and Reeva then he could have grabbed the gun and hidden in the bedroom.

As Nel said...there is only one way from the bathroom to the bedroom, so there was only one direction they were coming from. A gun trained on the doorway would have been JUST as effective as heading into the bathroom and a hell of a lot safer.

What he did was launch a suicide mission. And no matter how you try to justify it, it simply does not make any sense.

Didn't happen.

Not safer for Reeva.

 

[aftermath]

No you're wrong, how is it longer from bed to bedroom door than from bed to wardrobe passage? and he had a gun in his hand, so it's no more dangerous than going to the bathroom with gun in hand.

He hears the noise of the window - assumes someone may have climbed in. it would take that person a matter of seconds to get to the bedroom. In the meantime, Pistorius is meant to have checked with Reeva that she heard it, retrieved his gun, asked Reeva to pick up his prostheses, moved to the door and unwedged the cricket bat plenty of time for an intruder to get to him, IMO

 

[LemonMousse]

Staying put in the bedroom and covering the passageway with the gun would seem to be a much better option, with the benefit of hindsight. Not doing what you or I might think to be a better option doesn't make someone immediately guilty of anything other than reacting differently to how we think he should have reacted.

No, not with the benefit of hindsight. It would have seemed the better option to a disabled person with poor mobiity seeking to protect himself at a moment of potential danger. It is close to impossible that anyone in that situation would charge kamikaze style down a dark corridor towards probable death.

And it's not just that, is it?

Can you explain how he heard "wood moving" over the top of his screaming?

 

[LemonMousse]

Not safer for Reeva.

Much safer for Reeva. He'd have told her to hide with him and noticed she wasn't there!!!

 

[LemonMousse]

He hears the noise of the window - assumes someone may have climbed in. it would take that person a matter of seconds to get to the bedroom. In the meantime, Pistorius is meant to have checked with Reeva that she heard it, retrieved his gun, asked Reeva to pick up his prostheses, moved to the door and unwedged the cricket bat plenty of time for an intruder to get to him, IMO

No. He could have spoken to Reeva while fetching the gun then covered himself in the bedroom. Once he has the gun he acheives nothing by going to the bathroom...nothing.

 

[jilly]

Why did Oscar break down the door after firing 4 shots in the door at a home invasioner ?

Was he trying to make sure that he killed the invasioner. Btw. I NEVER HEARD HIM SAY THAT HE TRIED TO EXIT THE HOUSE. BUT ONCE HE REALIZED THAT REEVA WASN'T DOWN STAIRS OR OUTSIDE; THAT HE DECIDED TO GO BACK UP AND THEN BREAK DOWN THE BATHROOM DOOR.

SO WHY DID HE BREAK DOWN THE DOOR IF HE DIDN'T GO DOWNSTAIRS TO CHECK IN on REEVA first?

LOL. Jmo. MASSIPA WAS PAID OFF DUE TO HER LACK OF QUESTIONS.

SHE IS OBVIOUSLY WORST THAN HIM. JMO

He supposedly acted like he didn't know that Reeva was in there.

But he never mentioned that he checked downstairs or outside before breaking down the door

No.....I think she was simply a social worker and bleeding heart. Also, I will stand by my previous thoughts on the female assessor.

 

[Tortoise]

Woulda, shoulda, coulda... It's all froth and nonsense because he executed her in cold blood. The forensics all point to this, we just don't know the reason.

I've been thinking about this again, since someone posted a couple of days ago that it his disability gave him the power to do what he did (I'll see if I can go back and find it, I didn't think much about it at the time but it's been swilling around in the back of my mind ever since and it hit me this morning that it actually makes perfect sense).

Obviously its conjecture, but I think in that moment he felt entitled to kill Reeva because somehow or other, whether it was because she wanted to leave him or because of something else they argued about, he saw himself as an impotent victim with his amputated legs, and he was enraged by it. It has a strong possibility for me because he doesn't seem to feel any compunction about claiming he felt vulnerable when he shot her. I know he lies about everything though, but with it being such an ongoing massive issue for him even though he has lived all his life like that, there may be a grain of truth in there somewhere.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Much safer for Reeva. He'd have told her to hide with him and noticed she wasn't there!!!

And if there were intruders with guns then everybody dies in a hail of bullets including Reeva.

 

[LemonMousse]

And if there were intruders with guns then everybody dies in a hail of bullets including Reeva.

Oh, I see.

And nobody dies in a hail of bullets if a disabled man wobbles his way up a corridor screaming...handily letting the "intruders" know he's on his way to get them!!!!

Do me a favour.

 

[Tortoise]

He hears the noise of the window - assumes someone may have climbed in. it would take that person a matter of seconds to get to the bedroom. In the meantime, Pistorius is meant to have checked with Reeva that she heard it, retrieved his gun, asked Reeva to pick up his prostheses, moved to the door and unwedged the cricket bat plenty of time for an intruder to get to him, IMO

Still wrong, you're not explaining how it would have been worse for him had he gone to the bedroom door instead of to the wardrobe passage. The facts of the case can't change because on your theory he would have been shot in the passage before he got to the bathroom.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Oh, I see.

And nobody dies in a hail of bullets if a disabled man wobbles his way up a corridor screaming...handily letting the "intruders" know he's on his way to get them!!!!

Do me a favour.

Telling them to get out of his home (twice) and giving them time to do so is different than charging down the hallway screaming.

 

[aftermath]

No, not with the benefit of hindsight. It would have seemed the better option to a disabled person with poor mobiity seeking to protect himself at a moment of potential danger. It is close to impossible that anyone in that situation would charge kamikaze style down a dark corridor towards probable death.

And it's not just that, is it?

Can you explain how he heard "wood moving" over the top of his screaming?

Even on his version he didn't charge kamikaze style down the corridor! is it close to impossible that someone would choose to investigate a sound that he thought was the window opening?

Re the wood moving: maybe he wasn't screaming at that moment?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. We need to start a Masipa thread. Because. I would love to analyze the domestic killers that she has sentenced before the Oscar debacle.

I just want to compare notes on if she is usually gullible to guys that have killed their spouses. Jmo

 

[Hazy]

He didn't know that until he got to the bathroom himself.Up until then the intruder could have been making his way along the passage towards the bedroom

He didn't Have to go anywhere near the bathroom! As Nel said he could have taken cover in the bedroom down behind the bed and used his gun to cover the passageway.

But anyway. My point is more - do big, bad dangerous intruders who mean to harm you hide?