Our university teaches that Patsy did it

[Holdontoyourhat]

Not knowing where the killer is - how do you know you are 'distancing' your family from him?

If it were an 'inside job', how did John know the killer wouldn't follow them? Or even have guessed correctly what John's next move would be?

If anyone thinks that getting 'outta Dodge' (to use Camper's words!!) is a 'normal' thing to do - please provide enough links to stories where other innocent families have done likewise.
By 'enough', I mean....well.....considering there are hundreds of murders every year in this country........30 should do it.

Please provide a description of your idea of suitable accomodations for the R's for the following night. Boulder Holiday Inn?

 

[deanws]

Please provide a description of your idea of suitable accomodations for the R's for the following night. Boulder Holiday Inn?

And the reason they could not stay with their pastor or any other of their numerous friends or family? Also, exactly what is wrong with the Holiday Inn or whatever other hotel they have in their town? Making a phone call even before the crime scene was secured looks bad. :doh: It appears they were trying to escape questioning rather than looking for safety. My opinion...of which I am entitled to without your previous comment that it "has little or no value."

 

[why_nutt]

Please provide a description of your idea of suitable accomodations for the R's for the following night. Boulder Holiday Inn?

Access Graphics owned a corporate apartment on Pearl Street, near the office. It was being used often by Patsy's father Don Paugh, but he had left Boulder on December 24th, so it was empty at that time. It would have had complete cooking and laundry facilities. John Ramsey said in his 1998 investigative interview that it was used specifically so various people associated with Access Graphics would not need to check into a hotel, and that people would normally stay in it for weeks or a month at a time. Even the Ramseys themselves lived in this apartment before they bought the house at 755 15th Street. So why was it suddenly a place John Ramsey wanted to avoid staying in at all costs, even when it meant imposing on friends, family, and mere acquaintances?

Something about that apartment still bears consideration, I have a feeling. Obviously, John and Patsy had a key to it, it was not very far away, and was available to them 24 hours a day. Why would a reasonable man avoid staying in an empty apartment belonging to him? Fear of attracting attention to the evidence it might itself contain, perhaps?

 

[Toltec]

If you want to know how parents of a slain daughter feel...just think of the Van Damms. I recall Brenda Van Damm's interview, and she says that thinking of what her poor little daughter went through just tore at her. She said it was tearing her husband apart so that when the two would pass each other in the hallway, they could barely stand to look at one another.

She says that the terrible guilt at not being there to help little Danielle almost tore their marriage apart. She talks of her husbands heart being torn apart and how hard it is for him not to think of what happened to his daughter.

Now, the normal reactions of people who's child died would be the blame game. You didn't do this...you didn't do that. The what if's would cause an argument amongst couples...and it's a proven fact that the rate of divorce or separation is high for parents of murdered children.

It strikes me as suspicious that the Ramseys stick together like glue and have said that neither one has never blamed each other. I find that to be reason enough to suspect that the Ramseys are guilty and that they must stick together in order to escape being arrested.

And the Van Damms sons would talk of confronting the killer and rescuing their sister. Their nightmares and fantasies consumed them. The younger son regressed and started wetting the bed.

This is my opinion.

 

[Brefie]

Please provide a description of your idea of suitable accomodations for the R's for the following night. Boulder Holiday Inn?

They had a hundred options and well you know it. If the guests invited to 'breakfast' on the 26th were close enough to call upon at such a time, surely they were close enough for the Ramsey's to spend the night??

Your suggestion that they did the right thing is absolutely ludicrous.

Now, about those links I asked for.........

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

There's no comparison between these two cases, as far as the responses of the respective parents. The Van Damm's were never acting on the information that their daughter was brutally murdered in their home while they slept.

 

[Brefie]

There's no comparison between these two cases, as far as the responses of the respective parents. The Van Damm's were never acting on the information that their daughter was brutally murdered in their home while they slept.

The Van Damm's were never acting at all - another difference. IMO.

 

[deanws]

The Van Damm's were never acting at all - another difference. IMO.

:dance: Exactly.

 

[Brefie]

SO, HOTYH - where are those stories where an innocent family has tried to get out of state after only hours (or was it minutes?) of finding their child murdered???

I am sooooo tempted to start a poll to see if anyone else thinks it was a decent - or even normal - thing to do. But it would be a complete waste of time.

 

[Tricia]

Not knowing where the killer is, IMO JR did absolutely the right thing by distancing his family from the killer.

Patsy wrote the note. The Ramseys have said whoever wrote the note is the killer.

Their behavior is so horrid that any grief they get from the public (as in people like me) is deserved.

They totally disgust me.

 

[deanws]

Patsy wrote the note. The Ramseys have said whoever wrote the note is the killer.

Their behavior is so horrid that any grief they get from the public (as in people like me) is deserved.

They totally disgust me.

And, IYO do you think any other family members know what happened? Spill the beans...........

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Patsy wrote the note. The Ramseys have said whoever wrote the note is the killer.

Their behavior is so horrid that any grief they get from the public (as in people like me) is deserved.

They totally disgust me.

Are you telling me that a seemingly normal person threatens in writing to kill her own daughter Al-Zarqawi style, then sexually assaults, garrotes, and headbashes her, and becomes a seemingly normal person again? I don't think so. Sorry.

Incidentally, statistically the crime is a male crime, so if the RN author is the killer then the RN author is male.

 

[deanws]

Are you telling me that a seemingly normal person threatens in writing to kill her own daughter Al-Zarqawi style, then sexually assaults, garrotes, and headbashes her, and becomes a seemingly normal person again? I don't think so. Sorry.

Incidentally, statistically the crime is a male crime, so if the RN author is the killer then the RN author is male.

I don't think she acts normal....

 

[Tricia]

Are you telling me that a seemingly normal person threatens in writing to kill her own daughter Al-Zarqawi style, then sexually assaults, garrotes, and headbashes her, and becomes a seemingly normal person again? I don't think so. Sorry.

Incidentally, statistically the crime is a male crime, so if the RN author is the killer then the RN author is male.

Patsy Ramsey was never normal. She is a total narcissist. Among other things.

If you want to go by statistics then you must know that statistically it is highly more likely that a parent will kill a child than a stranger.

You can't pull a "statistic" out of the air and then try and tie it to the ransom note.

There is only one child who was found with a garrote around her neck and a fake ransom note in the house...that child, from all the murdered kids in the world, was JonBenet Ramsey. Now that is a statistic of ONE.

This mysterious "intruder" has never appeared again. Anywhere. Hmm, I wonder why?

 

[Tricia]

And, IYO do you think any other family members know what happened? Spill the beans...........

John knows what happened and so does Burke. IMO.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Patsy Ramsey was never normal. She is a total narcissist. Among other things.

If you want to go by statistics then you must know that statistically it is highly more likely that a parent will kill a child than a stranger.

You can't pull a "statistic" out of the air and then try and tie it to the ransom note.

There is only one child who was found with a garrote around her neck and a fake ransom note in the house...that child, from all the murdered kids in the world, was JonBenet Ramsey. Now that is a statistic of ONE.

This mysterious "intruder" has never appeared again. Anywhere. Hmm, I wonder why?

In your opinion...

...JBR was murdered by her homosexual pedophilic filicidal parent, who was able to hide these traits both before and after the murder. There's no evidence to support this POV. The socioeconomic failure or psychosis that normally goes along with filicide is not evident.

In my opinion...

...JBR was murdered by a middle-aged violently psychotic male. He evidently represents a foreign faction. He's a career criminal, and fits the profiles for not only this type of crime, but for this specific crime. He's unable or not trying to hide his traits either before or after.

 

[Brefie]

In your opinion...

...JBR was murdered by her homosexual pedophilic filicidal parent, who was able to hide these traits both before and after the murder. There's no evidence to support this POV. The socioeconomic failure or psychosis that normally goes along with filicide is not evident.

In my opinion...

...JBR was murdered by a middle-aged violently psychotic male. He evidently represents a foreign faction. He's a career criminal, and fits the profiles for not only this type of crime, but for this specific crime. He's unable or not trying to hide his traits either before or after.

.....Evidently represents a foreign faction?? Where's the evidence? Or is it just because s/he said do in the note? Give me a break. The note also said they had kidnapped JBR.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

.....Evidently represents a foreign faction?? Where's the evidence? Or is it just because s/he said do in the note? Give me a break. The note also said they had kidnapped JBR.

And that's part of what tells me this was an inside job and not a foreign faction targeting John Ramsey's daughter for kidnapping at all. Kidnappers would have taken the child, even dead, because they could have ransomed the body. Or they could have gotten JR twice over by not only kidnapping and/or killing his daughter, but by hiding her body and thereby denying him the closure of burial.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

.....Evidently represents a foreign faction?? Where's the evidence? Or is it just because s/he said do in the note? Give me a break. The note also said they had kidnapped JBR.

I'm only pointing out that there is case evidence that the killer represents a foreign faction.

There's no case evidence that PR is a homosexual pedophilic filicidal parent. That's an outrageous claim pulled arbitrarily out of thin air.

 

[sharpar]

SO, HOTYH - where are those stories where an innocent family has tried to get out of state after only hours (or was it minutes?) of finding their child murdered???

I am sooooo tempted to start a poll to see if anyone else thinks it was a decent - or even normal - thing to do. But it would be a complete waste of time.

They were trying to leave within twenty minutes - their daughters body was still in the house. No it is not normal. Nothing these folks do seems to be
within the norm. Even some people of their social status thought they were " over the top ". JMO