P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found #2

[pirate]

JB put his foot in his mouth when he asked by Geraldo about SP writing to KC. JB spouts off something like, "Ah that's another SP, the one that wrote was from San Diego."
Personally I think the two are a perfect match. If they ever get married and get outta jail it will be a race to see who survives. What a mixture, the A's in laws to the Petersons. :bang:

OMG, what if they reproduced?

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Does anyone think that the tape may be the reason why LE asled LP to take a lie detector test? Could he have gone to LE with information about the PI's knowing where Caylee was?

LP wasnt told about the story about the tape till December after the remains were found. He went to the FBI right away He says..

The LE asked him to take a lie detector test back in november when he was searching in the park.

The two things dont have anything to do with each other.

 

[Macushla]

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LE may not be worried about him. But LE is the same entity that locals have told me have screwed up cases and evidence time after time. What if this is another screw up?

Well, as a local myself, I have to disagree with the locals who told you that OCSO screwed up evidence and cases time after time. I have not seen that at all. Did OCSO make a mistake in regards to the tips from the meter reader - yes - and you know what? - they came forward and admitted it themselves. If you listen to the Anthonys OCSO did nothing right in this case, if you listen to people who have relatives in prison or awaiting trial - most of them will tell you that LE screwed up and their mother, brother, sister, father, nephew, etc. are completely innocent! You just have to consider the source.

I guess the locals you spoke to have a different opinion than myself and all the locals that I have talked to about the case when it comes to LE, at least when it comes to the OCSO.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

FBI and Nick Savage are backing up that Leonard told them the PI had "found" Caylee? And had video taped it? And LE just forgot to check it out?

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by the time LP heard about the tape it was after the remains were found.. He says he told FBI about it right away and they visited the PI and got the tape and his phone etc..

There seems to me to be a misunderstanding by alot of posters (not saying the one i quoted is) about WHEN LP says He was told about the tape and the PI's search of the area the remains were found.
the PIs searched the area back in november.. but LP states he was told about it mid December after the body was already found.

 

[cyberborg]

It does sound like fantasy,but the A's have behaved unexpectedly throughout this case.It was fantasy to continue saying Caylee was alive and they had tips to prove it,in light of the decomp and hair evidence found in Casey's car.It was fantasy to believe the decomp smell was PIZZA. It was fantasy to continue insisting that the nanny took Caylee and that Casey spent 31 days looking for her without telling anyone.It was fantasy that Casey had a JOB when she provided NO support for her daughter[according to LA interview with LE].
So right now it doesn't seem like stretch to believe the A's may have known where the body was.I'm on the fence until we learn more,but I understand why no one trusts the A's or the defense with anything.

:clap::clap::woohoo::clap::clap:

 

[kgeaux]

Why does everyone keep saying Caylee was close to the side of the street?
It is my understanding she was approx. 35-65 feet in the brush.

The meter reader said on Nancy Grace that he could see the bag on the side of the road. That information is not included in the portions of the recorded calls that we are privy to, however.

IF she was 35 to 65 feet in, I'd have to wonder how in the world the meter reader was ever able to spot her!

The crime scene photos show the crime scene area as much closer to the road, maybe even within a few feet.

I agree with Nore on this one.. the "interrogation" was lousy. With what they found out about her at universal (fake job but still walks nearly to the door of her "office" before admitting it) the entire process should have taken on a different style. These people need to be trained by mental health agencies to recognize and "interrogate" these types of personality disordered individuals because they cannot be handled the same way, they will not respond the same as a "normal" person does LE's typical tactics.

MO

You are SO RIGHT. When they ducked into that conference room, they knew they had a very VERY bold pathological liar on their hands. And they still interviewed her as though she were "normal."

Ok...if this double posts, I give up.

Don't ya think that if LE said, "LP, knock it off!", he would?

NO!!!

I heard the meter reader is also going to speak after the first of the year. Are the meter reader and the private investigators connected in some way?
This case is so full of people who speak "mistruths" that it's hard to decipher what is from what is made up. ugh

LP says there is a "daisy chain" straight from Casey to the Meter Reader. I would imagine the PI's could be a part of that! (IF we believe anything Leonard says!)

My experience is evil attracts its own type. A godly person does not attract evil doers because they can't be in the presence of godly people for any length of time. The same goes in the opposite - an evil person will attract other evil beings to them. An example is Nejames who after a short period of time removed himself from these people.
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The law of reciprocity? Although I do believe in that, I also remember another very prominent case in which an innocent family was surrounded with quite unsavory characters. Desperation leads to desperate acts.

Well, as a local myself, I have to disagree with the locals who told you that OCSO screwed up evidence and cases time after time. I have not seen that at all. Did OCSO make a mistake in regards to the tips from the meter reader - yes - and you know what? - they came forward and admitted it themselves.
I guess the locals you spoke to have a different opinion than myself and all the locals that I have talked to about the case when it comes to LE, at least when it comes to the OCSO.

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Well, the locals I referred to have posted here on Websleuths. They were posting in defense of LP, saying that he was well justified in searching previously searched and cleared areas because LE was notorious for "leaving evidence behind." So, which is it? I'm no where near Orlando, so I surely don't know for myself.

LOL! LE came out and admitted they'd screwed up in regards to the tips from the meter reader AFTER they had no choice.....there they were faced with Caylee's body and a man who was saying he'd been trying to get LE out there since AUGUST. What else COULD they say??

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by the time LP heard about the tape it was after the remains were found.. He says he told FBI about it right away and they visited the PI and got the tape and his phone etc..

There seems to me to be a misunderstanding by alot of posters (not saying the one i quoted is) about WHEN LP says He was told about the tape and the PI's search of the area the remains were found.
the PIs searched the area back in november.. but LP states he was told about it mid December after the body was already found.

He heard of the tape AFTER Caylee's body was found? How odd. I wonder why the PI told him "We found Caylee." Leonard asks "is she alive????" (What a ridiculously stupid question to ask if her body has been found!) The PI says "she's dead. come get her with us." Does that sound like AFTER the fact to you?

If Leonard ever gets his feet out of his mouth, maybe THEN we will know. For now, all I can say is Leonard's description of his conversation with the PI and the date he is now saying he learned of the tape don't seem to jive at all.

 

[cyberborg]

Miss James, I agree it's not a big stretch to question whether the A's knew more than they're letting on. Did they know where the remains were? That's real sketchy to me. But it's an even further stretch to surmise that DC, someone not in the family, would be willing to go out and tamper with evidence. If he got caught, the world would know about it!

To me there seems to be two extremes on this thread, 1. that DC went to tamper with evidence or, 2. DC went to rule out a teen hangout and it is no big deal.

We don't know for sure yet . . . but I do think the truth is somewhere in-between, that there was inside knowledge and DC was investigating and photo'ing area for a concrete reason while working for A's (not Defense).

Maybe there was no intent to tamper but there was knowledge and this isn't at all what DC claims -- it is a big deal but maybe not as big a deal as intent to tamper.

If it was as simple as DC investigating a lead from the tipline, especially from the MR why not simply just say that? Why the big reaction and need to protect work product. JB does NOT need to worry if DC can point to a list of tipline tips he was researching and was intrigued by the MR but saw nothing.

 

[Chilly Willy]

To me there seems to be two extremes on this thread, 1. that DC went to tamper with evidence or, 2. DC went to rule out a teen hangout and it is no big deal.

We don't know for sure yet . . . but I do think the truth is somewhere in-between, that there was inside knowledge and DC was investigating and photo'ing area for a concrete reason while working for A's (not Defense).

Maybe there was no intent to tamper but there was knowledge and this isn't at all what DC claims -- it is a big deal but maybe not as big a deal as intent to tamper.

If it was a simple as DC investigating a lead from the tipline, especially from the MR why not simply just say that? Why the big reaction and need to protect work product. JB does NOT need to worry if DC can point to a list of tipline tips he was researching and was intrigued by the MR but saw nothing.

That's exactly what DC did say, he was investigating KIO's tip. Baez is right to be concerned about the possibility that privileged information might be revealed during a police interview, not necessarily about the videotaping, but about the case in general. Baez is doing what he should do in this situation.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

But, WHY? Why does one just automatically accept the meter reader's story? I can understand how some would take a large grain of salt with any statement coming from Casey, the Anthony's, the defense team, LP and others who have spoken and mis-spoken over and over, but I can't see that it carries over that we just blindly accept the Meter Reader without vetting him. His story IS odd.

LE may not be worried about him. But LE is the same entity that locals have told me have screwed up cases and evidence time after time. What if this is another screw up?

I don't think his story is all that odd in the context of things. I think Meter Reader didn't want to become as involved as he has because of all the negative attention he knew would come if it actually turned out to be Caylee, but something caught his attention there and he darn sure wanted LE to see it.

Hinky would have been if he had ONLY contacted the A fam camp tipline and NOT contacted LE 4 times or if he had gone to the local tv stations. This adds to his credibility, imo. He did the right thing.

Let LE worry about the ins and outs of his testimony. They are going to investigate him and his tips. If he is hiding anything...it will come out. If not...he is Caylee's hero. (I prefer to think that Caylee has at least a few Heros out there who aren't using her to make money or to further their own agenda.)

Again, OCSO and the FBI have done an outstanding job in piecing this case together! They were given nothing except false information to work, the family thwarting their efforts to find out the truth, and a missing child that no one seemed to want found. Out of that whole mess...in six months...they have come up with a suspect, gone to the GJ with enough evidence to have her indicted and arrested, found Caylee, and now have enough to proceed to trial to bring her some justice. I would say it speaks volumes as to their expertise and their dedication to this case. The locals who are kvetching about them? Well...sounds like they are the ones who are mistaken.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He heard of the tape AFTER Caylee's body was found? How odd. I wonder why the PI told him "We found Caylee." Leonard asks "is she alive????" (What a ridiculously stupid question to ask if her body has been found!) The PI says "she's dead. come get her with us." Does that sound like AFTER the fact to you?

If Leonard ever gets his feet out of his mouth, maybe THEN we will know. For now, all I can say is Leonard's description of his conversation with the PI and the date he is now saying he learned of the tape don't seem to jive at all.

You are mistaken. LP was recalling the conversation that was between JH and DC as it was told to him...by JH later. They weren't asking LP to come out there to get her body.

 

[dtown]

Leonard, bastion of propriety that he is, went to Cali after asking people to vote on the internet, and see whether he should "sell" his furthur searches to a particular unnamed media, right? He planned to CONTINUE to search in the park because Casey said "blanchard park" so many times in her interviews with LE that it had to mean Caylee's body was there. (According to LP)

There is no way on God's earth that Leonard Padilla thought he had a chance to stick it to the Anthony's, get loads of free publicity and become USA Hero #1 by going to 'get' Caylee and PASSING THAT UP.



FBI and Nick Savage are backing up that Leonard told them the PI had "found" Caylee? And had video taped it? And LE just forgot to check it out? Not only does this not answer half my questions, it adds a million more!



I'm not getting why every one is interpreting the PI's statement to mean it is inappropriate to FILM. Could he not have been saying "It is inappropriate to sneak up on me, UNINVITED, as I conduct an investigation?" That's how I interpret his remarks.



But, WHY? Why does one just automatically accept the meter reader's story? I can understand how some would take a large grain of salt with any statement coming from Casey, the Anthony's, the defense team, LP and others who have spoken and mis-spoken over and over, but I can't see that it carries over that we just blindly accept the Meter Reader without vetting him. His story IS odd.

I agree. The meter readers accounts are certainly suspect. I don't understand why he'd call and then leave? And on another ocassion couldn't locate the bag that he said he could see from the side of the road? Also, there is a lot of dispute about the proximity of the bag to the road, with many saying it was as far as 60 feet from the road blocked by thick, dense brush. Well how exactly is this guy making his way back through this brush even 20 feet to relieve himself? Doesn't add up. IMO he was absolutel told to go out there and make a call. The first 2 times he called, I suspect that he never even visually located the bag for himself....that's why he took off.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

He heard of the tape AFTER Caylee's body was found? How odd. I wonder why the PI told him "We found Caylee." Leonard asks "is she alive????" (What a ridiculously stupid question to ask if her body has been found!) The PI says "she's dead. come get her with us." Does that sound like AFTER the fact to you? If Leonard ever gets his feet out of his mouth, maybe THEN we will know. For now, all I can say is Leonard's description of his conversation with the PI and the date he is now saying he learned of the tape don't seem to jive at all.

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No The conversation asking if she was alive is what JH told LP about a conversation with DC ..
here is a qoute from LP. When he was telling about it on cnn "He says, Well, Dominic called me on the 15th, told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, Is she alive? He said, No, she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.

He then -- about two hours later, he showed up again. He had this film, a minute-and-a-half. But it`s not of the exact area where the body was found."

That conversation between DC and HP was suppost to be back in November. DC didnt tell LP about it till sometime between Dec 15 -17 from what LP says.

 

[kgeaux]

You are mistaken. LP was recalling the conversation that was between JH and DC as it was told to him...by JH later. They weren't asking LP to come out there to get her body.

That is not what LP first said.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree. The meter readers accounts are certainly suspect. I don't understand why he'd call and then leave? And on another ocassion couldn't locate the bag that he said he could see from the side of the road? Also, there is a lot of dispute about the proximity of the bag to the road, with many saying it was as far as 60 feet from the road blocked by thick, dense brush. Well how exactly is this guy making his way back through this brush even 20 feet to relieve himself? Doesn't add up. IMO he was absolutel told to go out there and make a call. The first 2 times he called, I suspect that he never even visually located the bag for himself....that's why he took off.

The 60 ft. reference came from Sheriff Beary shortly after her body was found.

 

[cyberborg]

That's exactly what DC did say, he was investigating KIO's tip. Baez is right to be concerned about the possibility that privileged information might be revealed during a police interview, not necessarily about the videotaping, but about the case in general. Baez is doing what he should do in this situation.

I would like to buy that DC was investigating Kio's statement but, to me, that makes him a lot less credible than saying he was working through the tipline list in his search for Caylee Alive and came across the MR and felt it was worth a look.

Having said that, if this was Kio's statement and not a fresh lead -- since this is towards dump site then you get me into asking -- there was supposedly LOTS of activity on the Caylee is Alive front and the PI was not only proving all KC's statements true but also they were close to locating Caylee, steps away.

So if we base on Kio's statement then is DC really processing discovery info when not supposedly working for the Defense for over a month -- yet he is so busy searching for Caylee Alive and doing pressers.

Not buying it.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That is not what LP first said.

Do you have a link to back it up?

 

[MissJames]

I agree. The meter readers accounts are certainly suspect. I don't understand why he'd call and then leave? And on another ocassion couldn't locate the bag that he said he could see from the side of the road? Also, there is a lot of dispute about the proximity of the bag to the road, with many saying it was as far as 60 feet from the road blocked by thick, dense brush. Well how exactly is this guy making his way back through this brush even 20 feet to relieve himself? Doesn't add up. IMO he was absolutel told to go out there and make a call. The first 2 times he called, I suspect that he never even visually located the bag for himself....that's why he took off.

I can think of several reasons why he would leave.He didn't know when LE would arrive,had given enough info for them to check it out and had to get back to work.
I can recall 2 times I have called 911 from my car,but didn't stay myself. Situations I could see,pass on the info and assume LE would look into it.There was nothing I could do in either case and needed to get going.Since I called 911 I had done my part to alert them.

 

[cyberborg]

That is not what LP first said.

It is just the way LP said it, it confused me too at first -- LP is recounting what JH said and it is JH talking about Nov. 15-- allegedly.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

It is just the way LP said it, it confused me too at first -- LP is recounting what JH said and it is JH talking about Nov. 15-- allegedly.

Yeah I agree... sometimes listening to LP its like i get tongue tied brain lol.. I think when he's on NG he has to try to say things with as little words as posible before she cuts him off.. rof..

 

[MissJames]

Ok.. question Here.. as JB didnt get all the tips nor did the public. Has anyone found the calls from the MR in the docs that were dumped.. I know that JB didnt ever pick up the second set of tips as he didnt want to pay for them.

So to me.. If the PI's got the tip from the tips released (if they were actually in that release) why would he not say that.. It sure makes alot more sense than saying he was checking for beer bottle empties and such.
This whole thing is just odd.

When the MR called the tips back in August did he say he found something related to the Caylee case? That would make a difference.If it was just a general tip it wouldn't be included in Caylee tips.He may have said Caylee,but I don't recall.I just know the supervisor said it on the Dec.call.