P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found #2

[LancelotLink]

How about compiling a list of specific questions that we hope get answered Monday. (Add to the list inside a quote, so we have one list we can check back with later?)

- What or who propelled the PI's to go so close to the remains site on Nov 15th/16th?
- Who was PI Casey speaking to on the phone
- Who was the 'Leader' for this - Did Casey initiate the trip and Hoover just followed along, or vice versa?
- Does the Hoover videotape still exist?
- If it does, has LE seen it?
- Did Hoover contact LE himself, voluntarily, or did another event cause LE to approach him?
- Why hasn't Hoover returned PI Casey's 40+ calls/msgs?
- Is Hoover still involved with he A's in any capacity?
- Did their tour of the site have any impact on MN quitting on the 20th?
- &/or the mall sighting that same week?
- Did this have anything to do with MB announcing on the 17th that a press conference would occur on Nov 22nd, which never happened?


Ok, carry on sleuths...

Did Hoover actually sell this tape to a news source?
Why were Hoover and Casey at the exact location two days in a row?



A side question: Why in the news video, did they show the trail behind the school?
Was this film taken from the psychic who felt so much but found so little with such incredible timing on the GR show w/JB?

 

[RR0004]

Last night I went through the media thread to look at this time frame.
Here's a summary of sorts
Nov 12 Larry Garrison is fired or quits
Nov 13 divers find toys in Econ River[just to remind you what was happening at this time]
Nov15 Michelle B announces a big news conference for Monday /meet and greet held [?]
Nov 17 A family announces they have tips and findings to prove Caylee is alive,but put off their news conference until MN returns.
Nov 19 Local 6 reporter tours Anthony home
Nov 20 MN resigns / news conference cancelled
Nov 21 Caylee look alike mall picture hits the media
Then they had that awful last minute news conference where MB looked like she has just gotten out of bed and Cindy kept her head down the entire time.

Thanks for the info!!

 

[MissJames]

And thanks to you.

It isn't difficult to see the desperation on the defense side. Next week should prove very telling.
I also think that the A's were ripe for the grifters and charlatans that seem to have attached themselves to them.

Part of what makes this such a gripping story is the collection of characters.As the saying goes ,"you can't make this stuff up!"
They seem drawn to each other.When have we had a clear and truthful story in the past 6 months? The PI videos is just the next chapter.
BTW when was the last time we saw Jose' this quiet?

 

[FloridaKatz]

Indeed, it was. And now we have notice of the PI's being near the remains site (very near, if you consider all things), on Nov. 15/16th.

Something smells in Denmark.

And here's additional food for thought....

The big TES Search Weekend was Nov. 8th/9th. The following weekend is when this PI tape was supposedly made.

On the weekend of the 8th / 9th, I PERSONALLY saw LA drive through JB Park at least 3 times while my team was there, and he was watching where we were searching and what we were doing. If he did this at other search locations that weekend, then I wouldn't know, but what I do know, is that Yuri, John Allen, OSCO and the TES Leaders where all occupied at the TES command center on those 2 days, so I don't know "how closely" anyone was watching the activity of LA and the A' family. Then on Sunday the 9th, I was standing with 2 Core TES members in the parking field at the command center, and we saw LA pass by the command center twice. So to me, he was keeping an eye on what we were all doing. Perhaps to ensure that we weren't anywhere near where Caylee really was ? I don't know, but it seems to make sense to me.

Now here's what I think. I think that either the weekend before Nov. 8/9, or even that weekend, KC told someone where to find Caylee. While we were all occupied searching in places where Caylee wasn't, LA was in contact with "whomever" to say, ensure the remains are moved or hidden, or whatnot, to the spot on Suburban.

Now I don't know if TES had a search team to look at Suburban that weekend, but I do know this. Given how close her remains were found to the road, a search team most likely would have found that bag w/the remains if they had gone in, arms length apart, on the weekend of the 8th/9th. So either they didn't search that spot on that weekend, or Caylee was put there the following weekend (the weekend of Nov. 15th), which would have been the weekend when the PI said that he got a call from Dominic Casey, telling him they had found Caylee and that they were going to get her.

PI "H" is having a presser on Monday and I think he's going to have much to say about this "Daisy Chain" of events that occurred the first couple of weeks of November, IMO.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Another couple of questions I would like answered by JH:

When did you show the video to LP?
When did you speak to LP about going out to the area?
Did you at any time leave the path to go off towards where Caylee's remains were actually found?
Did you leave anything at the scene?
Did you see a book or videotape a book in the area where the body was found?
Did you find a white board attached to a tree?
Are you aware of any inside knowledge of being directed to the area?
In what capacity do you either work for or aide DC/the A fam?
Do you know Joy?
Do you know if Joy had been speaking with DC on that particular day?
Are you crazy for working for these people? (Sorry...got carried away! LOL)

 

[LancelotLink]

I was scribbling in crayon with my son on my lap. I just wrote a few things down,but your welcome.It's interesting to see what else was going on during that timeframe.Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Exactly. That took alot of time! I went through and looked up items that occurred during that timeframe, and the interviews with MN were very telling.
When they talked with him upon the discovery of what was then only skeletal remains, he spoke about the direction the A's had chosen and he spoke of karma.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=8053263&version=1&locale=EN-US

I fully believe that the A's were sucked in by the KFN charlatans, promised GA a lucrative position, and fed the CA fantasy. I also think that we know nothing of the characters involved, i.e. DC and JoyBoy, but this is too coincedental and their actions are just suspect to me.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Part of what makes this such a gripping story is the collection of characters.As the saying goes ,"you can't make this stuff up!"
They seem drawn to each other.When have we had a clear and truthful story in the past 6 months? The PI videos is just the next chapter.
BTW when was the last time we saw Jose' this quiet?

I promised to go watch Twilight with TaterTot now, but when I get back, let's split dates and go update the calendar for Nov. 7 through 28th? Game?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72183

 

[cyberborg]

Given all that was going on in the case, it really does seem a strange time for the PI's to go check out the "Kio story." Whether this place was a hangout or not just doesn't seem an important enough issue, unless you associate Kio's suggestion with Caylee. If the family PI's were just steps from finding a live Caylee, why take pictures or video of the presence or absence of discarded chairs, beer bottles, trash?

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[natsound]

OK-I'm getting confused here! I thought the one PI (Hoover) had turned on the other PI (DC). That DC told Hoover it was inapproprate to be filming! But, now I'm hearing that they were together Sat. & Sun.! Why would DC go back with Hoover on Sun.?
And, didn't LP say Hoover told him DC was talking to Joy on the phone? Now, he article say's Hoover said he didn't know who it was.
And, where and when did we learn JB fired DC?
And why spend 2 days looking at a teenage hangout? Was Caylee supposed to show up since KC used to hang out there?

essies, I'm very frustrated because one of those articles, I thought a WFTV article, earlier today said that DC had been fired from the Baez firm. I saw it.. it was the last sentence in a paragraph in the middle of a story. Now I can't find it! They might have retracted that statement.

 

[MissJames]

And here's additional food for thought....

The big TES Search Weekend was Nov. 8th/9th. The following weekend is when this PI tape was supposedly made.

On the weekend of the 8th / 9th, I PERSONALLY saw LA drive through JB Park at least 3 times while my team was there, and he was watching where we were searching and what we were doing. If he did this at other search locations that weekend, then I wouldn't know, but what I do know, is that Yuri, John Allen, OSCO and the TES Leaders where all occupied at the TES command center on those 2 days, so I don't know "how closely" anyone was watching the activity of LA and the A' family. Then on Sunday the 9th, I was standing with 2 Core TES members in the parking field at the command center, and we saw LA pass by the command center twice. So to me, he was keeping an eye on what we were all doing. Perhaps to ensure that we weren't anywhere near where Caylee really was ? I don't know, but it seems to make sense to me.

Now here's what I think. I think that either the weekend before Nov. 8/9, or even that weekend, KC told someone where to find Caylee. While we were all occupied searching in places where Caylee wasn't, LA was in contact with "whomever" to say, ensure the remains are moved or hidden, or whatnot, to the spot on Suburban.

Now I don't know if TES had a search team to look at Suburban that weekend, but I do know this. Given how close her remains were found to the road, a search team most likely would have found that bag w/the remains if they had gone in, arms length apart, on the weekend of the 8th/9th. So either they didn't search that spot on that weekend, or Caylee was put there the following weekend (the weekend of Nov. 15th), which would have been the weekend when the PI said that he got a call from Dominic Casey, telling him they had found Caylee and that they were going to get her.

PI "H" is having a presser on Monday and I think he's going to have much to say about this "Daisy Chain" of events that occurred the first couple of weeks of November, IMO.

That image of LA driving around the search teams gives me the willys.No thank you? What a j.......never mind.I like it here.

 

[FloridaKatz]

That image of LA driving around the search teams gives me the willys.No thank you? What j.......never mind.I like it here.

Nope, LA never stopped to say "Thank You" to any of us, and there were 4 teams searching just on the East side of JB Park that day, and he spotted each team. I was a team lead, DH was a team lead, a friend who is a firefighter in Orlando was a team lead, and the other team was led by another military officer. He just drove by and gave a cold "I hate you" kind of stare. He is evil, pure evil, just like the rest of his disfunctional family.

 

[LancelotLink]

And here's additional food for thought....

The big TES Search Weekend was Nov. 8th/9th. The following weekend is when this PI tape was supposedly made.

On the weekend of the 8th / 9th, I PERSONALLY saw LA drive through JB Park at least 3 times while my team was there, and he was watching where we were searching and what we were doing. If he did this at other search locations that weekend, then I wouldn't know, but what I do know, is that Yuri, John Allen, OSCO and the TES Leaders where all occupied at the TES command center on those 2 days, so I don't know "how closely" anyone was watching the activity of LA and the A' family. Then on Sunday the 9th, I was standing with 2 Core TES members in the parking field at the command center, and we saw LA pass by the command center twice. So to me, he was keeping an eye on what we were all doing. Perhaps to ensure that we weren't anywhere near where Caylee really was ? I don't know, but it seems to make sense to me.

Now here's what I think. I think that either the weekend before Nov. 8/9, or even that weekend, KC told someone where to find Caylee. While we were all occupied searching in places where Caylee wasn't, LA was in contact with "whomever" to say, ensure the remains are moved or hidden, or whatnot, to the spot on Suburban.

Now I don't know if TES had a search team to look at Suburban that weekend, but I do know this. Given how close her remains were found to the road, a search team most likely would have found that bag w/the remains if they had gone in, arms length apart, on the weekend of the 8th/9th. So either they didn't search that spot on that weekend, or Caylee was put there the following weekend (the weekend of Nov. 15th), which would have been the weekend when the PI said that he got a call from Dominic Casey, telling him they had found Caylee and that they were going to get her.

PI "H" is having a presser on Monday and I think he's going to have much to say about this "Daisy Chain" of events that occurred the first couple of weeks of November, IMO.

Incredible! Creepy, too. Thanks.
I'm not sold on this Daisy Chain yet, well at least not the last link, but I have been thinking of all who would benefit by Caylee NOT being found as opposed to who would profit from her being found. Perhaps a new thread on this or the theory thread?

 

[FloridaKatz]

Incredible! Creepy, too. Thanks.
I'm not sold on this Daisy Chain yet, well at least not the last link, but I have been thinking of all who would benefit by Caylee NOT being found as opposed to who would profit from her being found. Perhaps a new thread on this or the theory thread?

What I would really, really, really like to know is if TES put a search team in the woods on Suburban on the 8th / 9th. If so, then that would tell LE (and us) that Caylee was moved there, sometime after those 2 days, perhaps Nov. 15th.....the same day PI "H" says he made the video. The searchers worked through the search areas in teams of 10 (we had over 1000 people there that weekend), so I just don't think a search team would have missed her, as close as that bag was found to the road. She was only 15/20 ft. in from the road, and we went into wooded places much deeper and wider than that.

 

[LancelotLink]

Conway hired on a Tuesday, I think Dec. 9th, MB released statement around the 12th that she was withdrawing as spokesperson, but was still supporting the A's on background. Posted somewhere she was withdrawing for health reasons, I believe surgery pending.

(She might be preparing for surgery, but I think Conway performed an excise of excess flesh himself.)

Of course, a nasty anonymous RG article has since shown up on Huffington right around Christmas.

Can you help me out here? RG?

 

[LancelotLink]

OK-I'm getting confused here! I thought the one PI (Hoover) had turned on the other PI (DC). That DC told Hoover it was inapproprate to be filming! But, now I'm hearing that they were together Sat. & Sun.! Why would DC go back with Hoover on Sun.?
And, didn't LP say Hoover told him DC was talking to Joy on the phone? Now, he article say's Hoover said he didn't know who it was.
And, where and when did we learn JB fired DC?
And why spend 2 days looking at a teenage hangout? Was Caylee supposed to show up since KC used to hang out there?

I thought LP said the person on the other end was Joy, too.

 

[mydailyopinions]

What I would really, really, really like to know is if TES put a search team in the woods on Suburban on the 8th / 9th. If so, then that would tell LE (and us) that Caylee was moved there, sometime after those 2 days, perhaps Nov. 15th.....the same day PI "H" says he made the video. The searchers worked through the search areas in teams of 10 (we had over 1000 people there that weekend), so I just don't think a search team would have missed her, as close as that bag was found to the road. She was only 15/20 ft. in from the road, and we went into wooded places much deeper and wider than that.

I do wonder if it is possible she was missed by searchers, the grid where they sifted for her remains was large.. I know it is disheartening to all those who were there not to find her, but I feel like her bones were scattered the same a month prior, maybe not as much or in as large of a grid as they found in December. When you add the water to the scenario, I just don't think her body was moved by anything other than the elements of being outside like that.

 

[amethyst221]

IF it's true that both PI's showed up at the scene/near the area where the remains were later found two days in a row, how does that jibe with PI C's statement that PI H virtually sneaked up behind him and they weren't together, and he thought H's filming was inappropriate? It's pushing it to think it was coincidence they showed up at the same place once. If it was twice, that's wholly incredible.

 

[natsound]

Can you help me out here? RG?

Reverend Grund?

 

[amysmom]

What I would really, really, really like to know is if TES put a search team in the woods on Suburban on the 8th / 9th. If so, then that would tell LE (and us) that Caylee was moved there, sometime after those 2 days, perhaps Nov. 15th.....the same day PI "H" says he made the video. The searchers worked through the search areas in teams of 10 (we had over 1000 people there that weekend), so I just don't think a search team would have missed her, as close as that bag was found to the road. She was only 15/20 ft. in from the road, and we went into wooded places much deeper and wider than that.

I clearly recall Tim saying they went back to Suburban (where he previously lost an ATV) but a fence had been put up & the area had become private property so they could not search there..As it turns out I believe her remains were found just to the right of that fence..At least that's how it looked on the tv coverage..I've always been confused about this issue & hope someone can clear it up for me..Thanks!

 

[suspicious mind]

Are we really buying this PI's video story? Is it supposed to somehow prove Caylee's remains were not there? How do they know they videotaped the exact spot her remains were found? I don't believe these people have any credibility. Aren't they the same people who ran the Caylee sightings spin machine?