P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found

[Crafti]

Did you all hear LP on NG? He said that he has seen the mystery video shot by PI Hoover. He said that he met PI Hoover when he was security for the A's. He said that Hoover told him that he had a video of the area and LP asked him how he got it or why or something like that. He said that back on Nov. 15th - PI Casey had called him and told him they had found Caylee. PI Hoover asked PI Casey if she was alive...and he said no...but that they were going to get her right then. LP says that about 2 hours later Hoover came back and had the video. LP said the video was not taken in the same spot as where Caylee was found.

Wow if true. This would sound to me like PI Casey did have a tip and that is why he went there to film. Unfortunately the spot was not the correct one. Now consider the source....LP....but he sure sounded like this was fact and not one of his crazy theories. Interesting!!! And Jean C. was sitting in for NG and just blew right past it! Never realized the importance of what he said. Amazing.

LP always sound like he's speaking facts. And how many times has he been wrong? When is he going to get off the media?

 

[Hope for the Best]

No - I think what he was trying to say was that PI Casey obviously had a tip that the body was in the woods there. They believed she was there and went to retrieve the body. But they found nothing. So either the tip was bad...or they looked in the wrong spot. But either way - they weren't close to where Caylee was found so the existence of the video does NOT prove that Caylee's body was not there all along. The real question is who gave the PI the tip? Was it a bad tip or were they in the wrong spot...in other words...not where the tipster told them to go? It is very interesting.

I was totally floored that Jean C. let the comment go without saying anything! She clearly wasn't paying attention or doesn't know this case very well. To me this is a real bombshell based on what we have been hearing in the media. Even on Issues with Jane V. they were talking about the video and whether it was in the right spot or not. Geez - somebody should have caught that. They dropped the ball.

OK. That makes sense. That is a BOMBSHELL, if its true. I think maybe there was a tipster, and they just looked in the wrong spot. That makes me think that the tipster was Miss Casey herself, because if it was someone who was not in jail, why wouldn't they go down there and make sure that they were looking in the right spot? But, if it was Miss Casey, then why did she react so floored at the jailhouse when she found out Caylee had been found? Could the tipster have been Lee and he was just not wanting to be seen at the scene of the crime, and that's why he didn't make sure himself they were in the right spot? I really don't want to think Lee is involved (or Caylee's father), but I'll admit if he was involved, and Caylee's daddy, a lot more of this story would make sense.

 

[amysmom]

LP said on NG that LE had the video and still picture that Hoover took on Nov. 15th - they got it around Dec. 17-18th. He said that they were at least 200-300 yards away from where Caylee was found....so they were clearly not in the right spot. He suggests Hoover filmed it because he wanted to sell it to the media.
LP also said that PI Casey was not working for JB at the time all this happened.

LP said on NG tonight he was always led to believe PI Casey worked only for the A's..never for the defense/JB..if this is fact or not was left unclear.

 

[Wudge]

Yeah, but the beauty of this is who had access to the person who had knowledge of Caylee's whereabouts?

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I have the same question regarding how the meter man came to know of her location.

 

[SuziQ]

I think the PI got some vague info or simply had a hunch like many sleuther's here did. Many had been posting for months that the exact area where Caylee was found should be searched. But me, like so many others, underestimated Casey's stupidity of dumping Caylee so close to home. Heck, the PI could have been reading here.

Now if the PI is truly showing a video hundreds of yards away, well, he's just throwing out a smokescreen like the Caylee alive lady was. And they are all connected to the A Camp and have an agenda....save Casey.

 

[TxRose]

LP said on NG tonight he was always led to believe PI Casey worked only for the A's..never for the defense/JB..if this is fact or not was left unclear.

I don't think so because then JB would have no standing to request that a "special master" be present when he was interviewed by LE. He obviously worked for the defense at some point. But apparently he left there and went to work for the A's as a body guard or something. The question is when he made the switch.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LP said on NG tonight he was always led to believe PI Casey worked only for the A's..never for the defense/JB..if this is fact or not was left unclear.

This is what Baez himself always led everyone to believe. He stated many times he did not have a connection in that respect with the A fam in that he ONLY represented Casey.

 

[daisy7]

I'm not getting your logic here. He's still a county employee, no matter what, or which phone line he called.

Still catching up on threads, so this may have already been addressed. Has it been confirmed that the reason the MR could not receive the reward is simply because he is a county employee? IIRC, he wasn't eligible for the $5K reward because he hadn't called the Crimeline in Dec., though they are re-thinking this cuz he called them in August??

 

[TxRose]

I think the PI got some vague info or simply had a hunch like many sleuther's here did. Many had been posting for months that the exact area where Caylee was found should be searched. But me, like so many others, underestimated Casey's stupidity of dumping Caylee so close to home. Heck, the PI could have been reading here.

Now if the PI is truly showing a video hundreds of yards away, well, he's just throwing out a smokescreen like the Caylee alive lady was. And they are all connected to the A Camp and have an agenda....save Casey.

I agree Suzi-Q. I think the video arose again to be used as a red herring. He is working for the A's and released it to place doubt on when the body was dumped. That's it. But it now appears like that won't work because it wasn't even in the right spot. Perhaps he still wants to try and sell it too. Who knows. It is *bling* to distract everyone.

 

[magic-cat]

How can that be? If someone other than the accused or their lawyer knows where a dead body is how is that privileged? I just don't get how the anthony's aren't obligated to inform LE about this fact?

I would think it would be obstruction? at the very least.

Does the privilege extend less to those who represent themselves than those who have an attorney?

If the privilege does not extend equally, would that not be a due process violation?

I believe if one is representing ones self then one is acting as an attorney in ones own defense and so therefore should be afforded the same protections than an actual attorney would be afforded were they retained to represent?

No.

My point is that there is a big difference between the FBI saying that human decomposition was found in the car versus saying that it's possible (or words
to that effect) that human decomposition was in the car.

The same applies to the FBI saying that they found Caylee's hair in the trunk versus saying that they found hair in the car that might be Caylee's hair.

Actually what I seem to recall is that the mitochondrial dna from the hair was a match to Casey's mitochondria and in light of the fact that the other members of the Anthony family were neither missing nor dead, and the hair that was recovered DID show evidence of decomposition, then it was a logical conclusion to determine that it belonged to, in all likelihood, the missing child, Caylee Anthony.

You make me tired, Wudge. LOL

You make me laugh...:crazy:

I think she was dumped there because Casey is basically lazy and was probably in a hurry to get rid of the body. You have to remember that it was decomposing and must have smelled HORENDOUS by that time. I am sure she didn't want to have to carry it far. Plus...those woods are really thick with underbrush...she probably couldn't get much farther in carrying a body. I think alot of it was haste though.

:clap: My thoughts exactly.

I suspect your links are sufficient. The attorney-client privilege is just that. Extensions beyond the attorney-client relationship would include, at the very least, the work of those hired by the attorney for the good of their client.

And here we arrive back at point A.) which is who hired this PI? The Anthony family or the attorney for the Anthony family? If the Anthony family, then the video itself is not going to be protected by work product doctrine, but how he came to the knowledge that he SHOULD look there very well may be...:blowkiss:

 

[Wudge]

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after looking back over some of the photographs from the aerial shots of where the body was found, why DO you guys think Caylee was dumped so close to the road? I mean honestly, if I were in the business of dumping bodies, I would certainly do it in a more remote location!

The location and placement (on top of the ground) of Caylee's body does not support premeditation. Moreover, the defense is likely to argue that the placement and location invited LE to find her body.

 

[ROBLYN]

Yeah, but the beauty of this is who had access to the person who had knowledge of Caylee's whereabouts? The trail leads back to Lee, GA, CA and Baez. IMO, it would be a stupid move by the defense to go down this road. Unless the defense plans on throwing one of the A's under a bus that is.

Hi SuziQ
I think that is what the defense is going to do, throw anyone and everyone under the bus to try for reasonable doubt.

IMO

 

[TxRose]

This is what Baez himself always led everyone to believe. He stated many times he did not have a connection in that respect with the A fam in that he ONLY represented Casey.

Perhaps he didn't work for the A's...he might have been on his own at that point. But if he left the employ of the defense team...that's all that matters really.

 

[indicat]

Not to continually argue with you but I do find some of your posts preposterous. Whether the chemical composition comes back at 67% similar to human decomposition or 14% similar the basic fact is that it smelled like human decomp to everyone who smelled it (except the tow truck driver who had a cold)

Like GA said, once you smell that, you never forget it and nothing else in the world smells like it. I've smelled enough of it to know. It lingers in your nose, you catch a wiff of it 3 days later even though you've showered and changed clothes several times. CA stating "it smells like there's been a dead body in that damn car".

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a rotting bloated decomposing duck, then someone killed the duck and put it in the trunk of the Sunfire.

*bolded by me*
ROFL! Your posts are awesome!

 

[TxRose]

The location and placement (on top of the ground) of Caylee's body does not support premeditation. Moreover, the defense is likely to argue that the placement and location invited LE to find her body.

I have to respectfully disagree Wudge. Premeditation only takes a split second...Casey deciding to kill her and going into the next room to get duct tape and then returning to sufficate her would be premeditated. Just because she didn't think ahead as to what she would do with the body doesn't mean she didn't take the time to premeditate the murder.

Edit> But I will agree with you that the defense will argue that the location invited her body to be found. Whether that is true is another matter.

 

[magic-cat]

The location and placement (on top of the ground) of Caylee's body does not support premeditation. Moreover, the defense is likely to argue that the placement and location invited LE to find her body.

wudge I swear I am not picking on you...
The "placement" on top of the ground as you have stated was not necessarily where Caylee was "placed" by Casey. She could very well have buried her further down and in, perhaps in a very shallow grave, and as corpses not weighted down tend to do as they swell from the decomposition process, it rose closer to the surface. THEN when the heavier flooding came with Fay (perhaps she buried her closer to an earlier and lower flood line knowing that she would be covered over with water eventually) the body floated in the water due to the swelling process. Perhaps then when the process was further along and the swelling "burst" (and I am sorry to be so graphic but that is the reality of what occurs after death) the body fell back down into the mud, there, in the new location closer to the road. And then the waters receded and the remains were visible as they never had been visible before...

 

[Crafti]

The location and placement (on top of the ground) of Caylee's body does not support premeditation. Moreover, the defense is likely to argue that the placement and location invited LE to find her body.

I'm wondering if premeditation of murder requires premeditation of disposal?

I've never believed and still don't believe that there is a video of the same exact spot. Although they may have video taped in the area (which is suspicious) I guess you could argue that a lot of people were in that area looking around prior to discovery. But why is Baez so seemingly worried about what they have to say? ? ? ? He's practically admitted that he's had discussions about where the body was. . . doesn't it seem this way to anyone else?

 

[Wudge]

Hi SuziQ
I think that is what the defense is going to do, throw anyone and everyone under the bus to try for reasonable doubt.

IMO

The key focus of the defense will be on the lack of clear and unyielding evidence to support the State's charges. The mere fact that prosecutors charged Casey with murder one but not murder two and then charged her with manslaughter as well tells me that the circumstances of Caylee's death are not at all clear to them either. For murder one is far apart from aggravated manslaughter.

 

[magic-cat]

Also there is that little fact of her bones being spread over a one acre area at scene. This would tend to lend creedence to the fact that the body moved with the waters and since the bag had come open for one reason or another and decomposition is so fast in the hot Florida weather and her poor little bones either came apart on their own as the bag floated about, or animals scattered them over a wide area. Regardless, this does seem to imply the body was there from the beginning.

 

[Crafti]

The location and placement (on top of the ground) of Caylee's body does not support premeditation. Moreover, the defense is likely to argue that the placement and location invited LE to find her body.

OK, like many people here, maybe my brain is overloaded. . . . "the placement and location invited LE to find her body". What does that mean? How does that help the defense?