GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[Filly]

Yes, I teach many different Muslim youth with differing skin tones and countries of origin but what I'm confused about is how this woman was described:

Police described the main kidnapping suspect as a black woman with light eyes in her late 20s, possibly pregnant, and who might go by the name Rashida.

This may limit how LE is searching for this particular suspect. Her skin tone would matter IMO. Especially if she used the niqab as a disguise only, in order to abduct the victim.

http://www.philasun.com/news/3832/23/Police-look-for-2nd-suspect-in-Philly-abduction.html

Agreed.

Please do not nail me to a cross for this, but I have to say it. As always it's just me. Other locals may have experienced differently.

Skin color is a big deal. Me? I'm Caucasian. However, I have worked, went to school with and have friends and neighbors who are AA. Hair and skin are a constant topic with all women, and I found it very much so with AA women. I've been asked to describe someone to another person and I've come as far as saying or they ask "Like Beyonce?" or "Oh like a carmely mocha color". That's what I have said. If eye color is not brown I have also said the color eyes, and hairstyle.

Not even going into weather someone is Carribean, or Dominican or you name it.

We're hugely diverse. We do have Muslim of all races here as well.

So, I do understand the skin color.

 

[Filly]

wow who is being called ignorant? NOW Im afraid to ask a question....:what:

OMG Cherie I just cracked the he*l up.

 

[katydid23]

I think it is important to assess the man's skin color. The neighbors need a good description of the couple, imo. They need to be on the look out for a couple, possibly with children, possibly the woman being pregnant, possibly having green eyes, or maybe not.

 

[Jules71]

Police Obtain New Surveillance Video In Child Abduction Case
Posted: Jan 22, 2013 1:13 PM PST
Updated: Jan 22, 2013 1:15 PM PST

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20...eillance-video-in-case-of-abducted-5-year-old

When I watch - the video is only 21 seconds long and is old video showing them exiting the school.

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[tlcya]

Filly, appreciate your perspective as a local and that of the other locals who can give us a feel for the community.

Many of us members are from the sticks and there are not big populations of diverse transplanted cultures so much of this is foreign ground to us. I appreciate you and all the others on this case who have taken the time to educate me and patiently answer my questions about the Muslim culture, the city, the population, the crime rates in varying areas of it.

Same thanks goes out to those who work in public school systems and have been valuable resources in that regard.

 

[matou]

Agreed.

Please do not nail me to a cross for this, but I have to say it. As always it's just me. Other locals may have experienced differently.

Skin color is a big deal. Me? I'm Caucasian. However, I have worked, went to school with and have friends and neighbors who are AA. Hair and skin are a constant topic with all women, and I found it very much so with AA women. I've been asked to describe someone to another person and I've come as far as saying or they ask "Like Beyonce?" or "Oh like a carmely mocha color". That's what I have said. If eye color is not brown I have also said the color eyes, and hairstyle.

Not even going into weather someone is Carribean, or Dominican or you name it.

We're hugely diverse. We do have Muslim of all races here as well.

So, I do understand the skin color.

Well, when police are looking for a suspect who kidnapped a little girl, an accurate description helps. This woman was also wearing gloves. Did she keep them on when she signed the name at the office?

 

[tlcya]

wow who is being called ignorant? NOW Im afraid to ask a question....:what:

OMG Cherie I just cracked the he*l up.

lmao, I was freely owning my own CHERIE

Thank you for some much needed levity.

 

[matou]

I think it is important to assess the man's skin color. The neighbors need a good description of the couple, imo. They need to be on the look out for a couple, possibly with children, possibly the woman being pregnant, possibly having green eyes, or maybe not.

I totally agree.

 

[Filly]

Do Muslim men not wear sweat pants at home?

They wear what they want even outside depending.

Again I probably shouldn't say, but I will. There's Muslim men that joined Islam in prison. Someone who had been locked up told me so they could get a prayer rug and more time to say prayers. Some take their Religion very seriously when they get out and some don't.

Some males even wear the attire to sell bean pies, incense and oils and turn out they are not even Muslim, but cons wanting money.

Dark skin, light skin, sweat pants, and even the jeans that the guys have to sew up the bottoms of to wear under their garments. It all goes.

 

[Jules71]

Police Obtain New Surveillance Video In Child Abduction Case
Posted: Jan 22, 2013 1:13 PM PST
Updated: Jan 22, 2013 1:15 PM PST

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20...eillance-video-in-case-of-abducted-5-year-old

When I watch - the video is only 21 seconds long and is old video showing them exiting the school.

ETA: The video ends abruptly.

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[necco]

Skin tone is important for description. It is not important for motive. I think that's what we're saying.

 

[Filly]

Well, when police are looking for a suspect who kidnapped a little girl, an accurate description helps. This woman was also wearing gloves. Did she keep them on when she signed the name at the office?

No, no Matou I agree. I was just trying to put out there how often skin color is mentioned.

Honestly in my experience it's AA's that actually bring it up more. I've had AA friends ask me "What did he look like? Dark skin? Real dark?" and then go from there.

Again I know nada, but what I have experienced. Muslim women that I have been in school with who do wear gloves keep them on. It makes sense considering the modesty angle. I would think she did.

I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Note I have seen Muslim women with gloves write in notebooks and all with gloves on.

 

[Yoda]

:moo::moo:I don't see the relevance of information about skin tone being pivitol to any answers towards solving this case.

Identifying if the male was caucasian, Asian, black, Hispanic, Indian, etc is important to finding him. We are putting pieces of this horrible puzzle together and asking questions. Being politically correct is not my priority on this board. Jmho. I am looking at probabilities, percentages. What is the probability that this male is Asian? Indian? Native American? Factor in the female's dress, race, we are assuming religion- although that would be bias also- the demographics of the area being focused on, the male's described attire, the discussion of fgm. All these things and I am going to question what the victim meant by light skin. Plus my ignorance of Muslim culture and what the wear at home also makes my perspective bias. I am glad there are so many posters here with different backgrounds, experiences, cultures, ages. Looking for a perp through my tiny knothole probably won't help,but when there are thousands of people sharing what they see through their knothole then we might just get a clear view. Jmo

 

[countryfox]

bbm

I believe it was explained by tlcya why she was asking --- and it is not biased. LE released the description b/c they think it's important for the public to know. It could be relevant in terms of:

1) Is this woman in the burka really a Muslim or posing as one to look like N's mom? If so, then meeting up with a male dressed in non-Muslim attire a few blocks away may be relevant and a clue to LE.

2) If this woman is a Muslim woman who dresses in a Burka, then his clothing may be important for people who know of a Muslim couple where the woman dresses traditionally but the man does not - and is lighter-skinned than the woman.

I think we're all concerned with the same thing: trying to find the people who took little N...

The reference to skin color of the alleged perps, was made in the context of determining the likelihood of whether FGM was performed or not, in an earler post. On that issue alone, I again say, complexion is not a pivitol factor.

 

[tlcya]

I need to go research something I used to know but need a refresher on. bbib

 

[matou]

Skin tone is important for description. It is not important for motive. I think that's what we're saying.

Exactly. There are vicious perps out there who hurt an innocent little girl who need to be caught. This case could end up being twisted from the get-go starting with the description of the woman who took the girl.

Here's that image again:

http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-18/news/36396381_1_veils-muslim-garb-public-safety

ETA: I'm not sure why the image isn't embedding.

 

[matou]

No, no Matou I agree. I was just trying to put out there how often skin color is mentioned.

Honestly in my experience it's AA's that actually bring it up more. I've had AA friends ask me "What did he look like? Dark skin? Real dark?" and then go from there.

Again I know nada, but what I have experienced. Muslim women that I have been in school with who do wear gloves keep them on. It makes sense considering the modesty angle. I would think she did.

I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Note I have seen Muslim women with gloves write in notebooks and all with gloves on.

Oh I know you weren't disagreeing. I just wanted to make the point that when a suspect is on the lam, an accurate description matters. That's all. xo

 

[CHERIE.T]

OMG Cherie I just cracked the he*l up.

:seeya: hello Filly!

 

[necco]

Yeah, it's not about the niqab. If all you ever saw of a person was their eyes, you'd be able to recognize their eyes, their voice, their purse, etc. The screw up was not because this was a Muslim woman getting this child. It was a simple matter of REALLY lax security.

 

[katydid23]

Skin tone is important for description. It is not important for motive. I think that's what we're saying.

Exactly. Thank you.