GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[Filly]

Sorry, having a huh? moment. Warning about/regarding what? Multiple spouses? I'm totally clueless.

Yoda, my apologies. Its not you.

That was two thoughts in one post.

Waaaaaaay back we were posting about multiple wives. I just thought I'd put that link out there.

My mom being a lifelong Philadelphian well you see enough through the years and you get a feel and she thinks somebody was sending a warning. It could have to do with anything.

 

[tlcya]

Sorry, having a huh? moment. Warning about/regarding what? Multiple spouses? I'm totally clueless.

Perhaps for the grandfather, local Muslim leader (Iman) who is outspoken about things in the community (from what I understand).

 

[Flutterflies]

BBM

Yes, that is exactly what I remember and that is exactly how it was reported.

Many WS have asked if N mother is pregnant. I don't recall an answer though.

While we are on the topic of the female abductor's pregnancy. Does anyone else remember when this case first hit the news how there were reports that she had chatted with school personnel about her "pregnancy"?

Did I dream that? Because initially I thought it was reported that she chatted up office staff about pregnancy and then later that sort of fell out of the story and there was no more mention of it.

Then it was reported she signed something with the hall monitor and by passed the office where she was instructed to go.

I wonder if she and the hall monitor discussed pregnancy and it was twisted in the rush to get the story out.

Or did she converse with no one about the "pregnancy"

 

[tlcya]

Or perhaps it has nothing to do with religion or culture at all but relates to someone with a personal grudge or a warning to N's parents for some real or imagined slight and the garb was incidental.

 

[Filly]

sorry for OT but man I have got a tension headache that will not quit.

O/T if Excedrin would hurry up and get them bad boys back on the shelf you could take two.

 

[belimom]

Mr. Belimom has some more info - then I'll drop the whole thing about the way Muslim men dress...

He worked in the Middle East for about 15 yrs. He was briefed on the customs (such as how he could never cross his legs the way Western men do because it would mean the bottom of his shoe would be facing someone, which is the ultimate insult) but he learned many of them from years of traveling to and living all over the Middle East: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, UAE. He was just saying that - as far as he knows from his *cultural* observations - there is not much in regards to requirements for men's clothing as there is for women's. There is more governmental control - such as Saudi men being required to wear the Saudi headdress and traditional clothing while in Saudi, but that when he was on flights heading to Saudi, the men would board in the Western clothing they had worn and change into traditional clothing before landing in Saudi.

He had other observations but I think you get the point and I feel now that this point has officially been driven into the ground. I'll stop now.

:deadhorse:

 

[jjenny]

This man wasn't out in public. He was at the house. So I really don't follow the argument that any conclusions can be made from that. How do we know what kind of clothing he wears when he goes out?

 

[Janeumayer]

This looks to me like the video I have already seen of them leaving the school.

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If you keep watching, they show them walking on the street.

 

[Yoda]

This was all in a 5 mile or less radius?! I am having a hard time wrapping my head around neighbors not knowing something. Is this a 'no snitch' area? Geez, everybody knows everybody's business where I live.

 

[Filly]

Or perhaps it has nothing to do with religion or culture at all but relates to someone with a personal grudge or a warning to N's parents for some real or imagined slight and the garb was incidental.

Right, and the burqa was a great diguise. Little N would be more inclined to go with a Muslim woman plus the school couldn't ID her.

The woman knew her name and knew she'd be in school after she'd been off. That right there means they know you. Or someone else does who sent her.

 

[Filly]

Is this a 'no snitch' area?

Big time!

 

[Jules71]

If you keep watching, they show them walking on the street.

Was the video 21 seconds and end abruptly for you? I see them inside and then I see them outside exiting the school where there are outdoor tables in the background. At the :17 or :18 second mark they show the park where she was found.

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[belleyes]

I totally agree. It was such a bold, in-your-face move, to waltz into the school and sign out the child. Pedophiles usually take the more cowardly, anonymous approach---they grab and run, or they quietly groom a victim in private.

This abduction was so unusual in it's execution. It really feels to me like some kind of statement was being made to the family. Perhaps the parents OR the grandfather. I am not sure. JMO

I agree with you. I just can't figure out why they would put her under a bed if they were making a statement. I guess what I'm trying to say is....The bold nature of the kidnapping seems contradictory to the cowardly way she was kept under the bed in a t-shirt. I see some many contradictions in this case. It kind of makes me think that the suspects were not in agreement with each other on everything. :waitasec:

 

[Flutterflies]

Sorry, Flutterflies.

The trousers underneath. Like their street clothing under the men's garb. Some of the guys cut the bottoms off their jeans and sew them up some almost to their knees. If it's not a good job you can see them hanging down some.

Again, this is just my observation on the street or EL or subway. The Muslims sell bean pies, incense and oils on the street. They kind of sing that out in that order. While the subway or El is in motions they go through selling the oils.

Again, not all Muslims do this, but I do take note when I see jeans that their makeshift hem hangs down.

Thanks for the clarification. It is very interesting to me.

Thanks for all the information you are providing. I am learning so much from this thread that I did not know.

 

[Filly]

Mr. Belimom has some more info - then I'll drop the whole thing about the way Muslim men dress...

He worked in the Middle East for about 15 yrs. He was briefed on the customs (such as how he could never cross his legs the way Western men do because it would mean the bottom of his shoe would be facing someone, which is the ultimate insult) but he learned many of them from years of traveling to and living all over the Middle East: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, UAE. He was just saying that - as far as he knows from his *cultural* observations - there is not much in regards to requirements for men's clothing as there is for women's. There is more governmental control - such as Saudi men being required to wear the Saudi headdress and traditional clothing while in Saudi, but that when he was on flights heading to Saudi, the men would board in the Western clothing they had worn and change into traditional clothing before landing in Saudi.

He had other observations but I think you get the point and I feel now that this point has officially been driven into the ground. I'll stop now.

:deadhorse:

Thank you Mr. Beli.

That's so wonderful he got to travel when he did, belimom.

 

[matou]

Putting her under the bed is beyond strange to me. I used to hide things under my bed from my parents when I was little. I don't understand it. It makes me think they were hiding her from other people in the house.

 

[belimom]

Perhaps for the grandfather, local Muslim leader (Iman) who is outspoken about things in the community (from what I understand).

You know, one thing that the grandfather said was that being Muslim doesn't mean you can mistreat your wives - that the Koran does not say that anywhere. He said this publicly. I wonder if someone was trying to say, "Yeah, right... we'll do what we want."

Here's the link:

bbm

http://www.teachislam.com/content/view/1311/266/

Imam Asim Abdur Rashid, added, “This action is overdue. There is no where in the Quran or Sunnah that says you can abuse your wife. We simply just are not going to accept you beating on your wife.”

Muslim women in the area have responded very positively to the initiative. Habeebah Ali, founder of Raise of Hope, which provides houses for low-income families, and who was herself once in an abusive marriage, said, “I am so very grateful that leadership is willing to address these issues and put them on the front burner.” Maha Alkhateeb, manager of Virginia-based Peaceful Families Project, congratulated Philadelphia on leading the way, noting that domestic violence in the Muslim community is a “taboo subject” with many leaders denying the existence of a problem or unwilling to make it a public issue.​

 

[jjenny]

Putting her under the bed is beyond strange to me. I used to hide things under my bed from my parents when I was little. I don't understand it. It makes me think they were hiding her from other people in the house.

Maybe they were hiding her from the other children. Supposedly there were children there.

 

[Yoda]

Big time!

Okie dokie. I don't understand the no snitch thing. Are people really afraid for their lives if they snitch? I am talking about old lady neighbors who might have seen something? Would someone really do something to them? Tia

 

[Filly]

Thanks for the clarification. It is very interesting to me.

Thanks for all the information you are providing. I am learning so much from this thread that I did not know.

Oh Flutterflies don't go by me. Like I said it's just from experience here in Philly. Just my observation and what my interactionhas been.

Just for a breather I had posted how this one chick who was Muslim told me a Jin was going to jump into me. That's the one problem I've had learning about Islam is the Muslim women I have met force feed it to you. She told me I was going to burn being a Christian. I said a few things back to her like "How'd that stint in Federal prison work out?"

Honestly I love to hear "Bean, pies, incense and oils" It sounds whimsical under the subway tunnels. Some of the oils smell good too.