PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 278]

Not necessarily. A full-grown adult can hang themselves from a doorknob if they want to.

Absolutely

 

[kittythehare]

I've read posts here and social media posts, all that I can find..
I'm concluding that it's all very vague, too vague.
A lot rides on the full autopsy report which is unavailable for now.
Did the childrens' bodies have any evidence of prior violence?
Did the children have a safe adult in whom they could confide?
There's so much rumor and innuendo on facebook that it's possible the mother will consider suicide??
It's running a long time without sufficient evidence to make an arrest.This is worrying.
People are running amok with opinions submitted as facts on social media.
I've rarely seen it so toxic. It's disturbing and malicious.
Makes me appreciate the rules we have on Websleuths.
MSM reportage is paltry..
There is little to go on or work with here.
4 weeks have passed...long time.

 

[Deleted member 278]

I've read posts here and social media posts, all that I can find..
I'm concluding that it's all very vague, too vague.
A lot rides on the full autopsy report which is unavailable for now.
Did the childrens' bodies have any evidence of prior violence?
Did the children have a safe adult in whom they could confide?
There's so much rumor and innuendo on facebook that it's possible the mother will consider suicide??
It's running a long time without sufficient evidence to make an arrest.This is worrying.
People are running amok with opinions submitted as facts on social media.
I've rarely seen it so toxic. It's disturbing and malicious.
Makes me appreciate the rules we have on Websleuths.
MSM reportage is paltry..
There is little to go on or work with here.
4 weeks have passed...long time.

Her committing suicide has been a thought of mine too. Could end up being another Melinda Duckett.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And she could easily have unsnapped the hook to let them down as they could have been revived right there and possibly survived - one must ask -why not do this? She didn’t need wire cutters if the leash posted upthread was the one used IMO

Omg! You are exactly right! Great post.

SO why didn't she do that instead of leaving both of her children hanging by their necks struggling to breathe?

What parent who truly loves their children could be so cold, heartless, and do nothing instead?

Imo, NONE who truly loves them with all of their hearts, and souls. Loving parents, which are millions, would have done everything in their power in order to save them.

We have seen some women who were able to lift vehicles up in order to save another who were trapped underneath.

The will to save others gives them amazing strength.

So why did THIS ONE do nothing at all?

Imo, it's obvious why she let them both hang there, and did nothing to save either one.

God bless these poor little children. I think the only one who would have tried his best to save them both was their older brother.

Why did they die when the brother wasn't there?

The timing is uncanny how it all happened when no one was there inside the home except the mom, and her two defenseless children.

The gravest danger 95 percent of all children will ever face are right inside of their own homes with them, where the worst enemy for children are THOSE who have them trapped in their nightmarish hell behind closed doors.

I know, I was one of those children for many years also crying out in the night with no help in sight.

My heart breaks for all children who have been grossly neglected, horrifically abused, and/or murdered.

May the truth come forth, and validate the amazing value these two children had, like all children who have been callously taken.

Each time one of society's children are taken from us, our world becomes dimmer by not having them in it to make it a much better place.

Jmhoo

 

[TTF14]

Omg! You are exactly right! Great post.

SO why didn't she do that instead of leaving both of her children hanging by their necks struggling to breathe?

What parent who truly loves their children could be so cold, heartless, and do nothing instead?

Imo, NONE who truly loves them with all of their hearts, and souls. Loving parents, which are millions, would have done everything in their power in order to save them.

We have seen some women who were able to lift vehicles up in order to save another who were trapped underneath.

The will to save others gives them amazing strength.

So why did THIS ONE do nothing at all?

Imo, it's obvious why she let them both hang there, and did nothing to save either one.

God bless these poor little children. I think the only one who would have tried his best to save them both was their older brother.

Why did they die when the brother wasn't there?

The timing is uncanny how it all happened when no one was there inside the home except the mom, and her two defenseless children.

The gravest danger 95 percent of all children will ever face are right inside of their own homes with them, where the worst enemy for children are THOSE who have them trapped in their nightmarish hell behind closed doors.

I know, I was one of those children for many years also crying out in the night with no help in sight.

My heart breaks for all children who have been grossly neglected, horrifically abused, and/or murdered.

May the truth come forth, and validate the amazing value these two children had, like all children who have been callously taken.

Each time one of society's children are taken from us, our world becomes dimmer by not having them in it to make it a much better place.

Jmhoo

You always state things so beautifully. I'm sorry you were one of those children . I can't even begin to fathom a life like that .

 

[Deleted member 278]

Video of mom leaving house earlier this month.

Police: 2 young siblings who died were found hanging

 

[Deleted member 278]

The above video states that mom was home during the hangings.

 

[kittythehare]

The above video states that mom was home during the hangings.

yeah... noticed that.
We're really short on facts here.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's back up as of this morning. Name spelled backwards - first and middle. Nothing to see.

I'm confused.

Why would anyone do this, and when did she do it? Tia!

Jmhoo

 

[realanastasia]

It appears both children are wearing their back packs in front of school. This photo was used at school balloon release. I assume BS attended PreK.

It appears both children are wearing their back packs in front of school. This photo was used at school balloon release. I assume BS attended PreK.

As far as I can tell, Pre-K wasn't offered at the Greenwich-Lenhartsville Elementary School CS attended. However, it's possible that they're both dressed for their first days and BS just needed to be dropped off by a parent/guardian at a different location for pre-K l after CS headed to his classroom.

 

[Deleted member 278]

I'm confused.

Why would anyone do this, and when did she do it? Tia!

Jmhoo

She changed it like a week or week and a half ago. Probably due to hate messages. Trying to hide herself.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've read posts here and social media posts, all that I can find..
I'm concluding that it's all very vague, too vague.
A lot rides on the full autopsy report which is unavailable for now.
Did the childrens' bodies have any evidence of prior violence?
Did the children have a safe adult in whom they could confide?
There's so much rumor and innuendo on facebook that it's possible the mother will consider suicide??
It's running a long time without sufficient evidence to make an arrest.This is worrying.
People are running amok with opinions submitted as facts on social media.
I've rarely seen it so toxic. It's disturbing and malicious.
Makes me appreciate the rules we have on Websleuths.
MSM reportage is paltry..
There is little to go on or work with here.
4 weeks have passed...long time.

Morning Kitty!

That is one of the reasons I avoid FB, and other media sites like they are a deadly virus.

It's like stepping into war zone filled with nothing but rumors, gossip, vilifiations, and so many other negative things.

It's sad now that even dangerous death threats made against so many have become as common as sunshine or rain.

We are in extremely dangerous times now with no end in sight of where we will return once again to being peaceful, truthful, and havig respect for all others.

For most of our existence we were proud of being a peaceful nation where all citizens believed facts were of utmost important before making any judgement, along with knowing EVERYONE has the same equal rights as all others. We no longer can say that anymore.

However, the length of time to render a decision on the COD/MOD isn't unusual. Its far better to get it right than rush.

I had already mentioned it took 7 months for the ME to finally state Lana Clarkson's death was a homicide. Phil Spector was found guilty of murder thereafter.

In cases like this MEs often does a victimology psychological investigation, assisted by forensics, and what LE uncovers in their ongoing investigation, which assists all MEs coming to the right conclusions to be put on the official death certificates.

Imo, this one will also take longer than some of us may like.

Jmhoo

 

[Deleted member 278]

It's all going to turn out to be true IMO. Family, acquaintances, and friends are talking.

 

[WildOrchid]

I haven’t been able to find these things like I usually can with other cases.

It's all going to turn out to be true IMO. Family, acquaintances, and friends are talking.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You always state things so beautifully. I'm sorry you were one of those children . I can't even begin to fathom a life like that .

Aww, thank you.

I am only one among millions of these children. Many who have not survived.

Unfortunately like anything else in life, to truly understand it... one must live it. It's a club no one wants to ever join or belong.

Those of us who had no choice, and survived.. must become strong advocates of hope, and the voices for all of the voiceless children, who at this very minute are languishing in their own dispair.. hidden away by those who continue to neglect, abuse them in all forms,and for all who need our protections. We owe them no less.

That is why we all must report it when any of us knows it's happening.

They have no one else to rely on. Their very existence may depend on it.

Jmhoo

 

[SuziQ]

The timeline is so tight. I can see a child committing suicide because of bullying. It seems to happen a lot these days. But with the tight timeline, I don't see how the boy could have set up a complicated method of hanging. They leave school at 3:20 to 3:30pm. Get home at the earliest at 4pm. (I'm going by how long it took my kids to get home) then bam, they're dead?

And about those chairs, as an adult I have have trouble navigating my basement stairs with them. And I make a racket doing so. You would think mom would hear this.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Her committing suicide has been a thought of mine too. Could end up being another Melinda Duckett.

Anything is possible, but Melinda Duckett was an anomaly.

Iirc, didn't her family file a lawsuit against Nancy Grace, and won?

However, even if the walls close in on this one, I highly doubt she will try to commit suicide.

It seems if any parent would become suicidal it would be when their two children, who were right in front of them... when they both were hanging from rafters struggling to breathe.

Since she did not do it then, she must be a pretty calloused individual with very thick skin.

I hope she is there to see, and hear it all. All of it.

But we will see what happens as this goes forward.

Jmho

 

[abeaman02]

I have been thinking about this case for a while now, trying to be very unbiased. If I go with the son did it, because as many have said it has happened before, what stops me from agreeing with that theory is that even if he coerced is younger sister to stand on a chair with a leash around her neck, he would have had to kick her chair out. Unless this boy is a psychopath I would think once she was hanging and moving about he would have freaked out and had second thoughts. At that age I could see him thinking suicide as a solution bit not understanding the permanency of it. Once he saw his sister I think his reflex would of come in to help her: not get on another chair pull her weight up to also hang himself. There are to many steps involved to allow me to believe an 8 year old child could process them all and complete this double suicide in the short time it happened. That's even saying he did this, which I do not believe happened MOO

 

[pepper 34]

Video of mom leaving house earlier this month.

Police: 2 young siblings who died were found hanging

This article states:
"According to the records, the young “victims” were “hanging approximately three feet apart from a single wired cable with plastic coating.
The deaths and criminal probe have stunned this rural Berks County community.
Investigators report the mother was in the home at the time and state police are focusing on an Xbox the 8-year-old used to view internet websites."

It's confusing to attempt to piece this one together due to discrepancies in MSM. Elsewhere, as recently discussed, we were wondering where the mother was when the kids got home from school. Which report is correct?

 

[Deleted member 278]

This article states:
"According to the records, the young “victims” were “hanging approximately three feet apart from a single wired cable with plastic coating.
The deaths and criminal probe have stunned this rural Berks County community.
Investigators report the mother was in the home at the time and state police are focusing on an Xbox the 8-year-old used to view internet websites."

It's confusing to attempt to piece this one together due to discrepancies in MSM. Elsewhere, as recently discussed, we were wondering where the mother was when the kids got home from school. Which report is correct?

I've heard three so far. Home, walking dog, running errands. I wish MSM would get on top of things. There's one questionable detail in particular that they need to update on.