PA PA - Cpl. Robert Corriveau, 20, Downington, 18 Nov 1968

His military ID did not have a photo but his drivers license did. We don't know if he went to a bar/pub. He could have gone to a house party, just a thought. Also, I mis-informed you earlier regarding the ticket. I pulled it out and it was at Valley Forge for uturns. No connection to Villanova or Byrn Mawr.
Okay. The U-turns weakens the theory of the driver's involvement.

They would be looking at the birth date on the license. When I first got a PA license in 1978, they did not have photos. Photos on PA licenses came around in the very late 1970's or early 1980's.
 
My point was it wasn't necessarily route 30
Whomever placed the body had to get on to the Turnpike first. Probably east of Downingtown.

Would you have any idea of how your brother normally traveled. I'd assume he did not have a car. Did he use mass transit? Hitchhike? Walk every place?
 
Whomever placed the body had to get on to the Turnpike first. Probably east of Downingtown.

Would you have any idea of how your brother normally traveled. I'd assume he did not have a car. Did he use mass transit? Hitchhike? Walk every place?
He didn't have a car. Hitched all the time.
 
Okay. The U-turns weakens the theory of the driver's involvement.

They would be looking at the birth date on the license. When I first got a PA license in 1978, they did not have photos. Photos on PA licenses came around in the very late 1970's or early 1980's.
I know for sure his pic was on the photo. I got my license in 69. Initially paper license for 6mos
 
Bobby didn't get his license until the summer of 68. He was older compared to my siblings and myself . Probably because he was in North Carolina. He blew the motor of my mothers 67 Covair. So what would the routes be from Downingtown to Valley Forge to Willow Grove to Horsham
 
Bobby didn't get his license until the summer of 68. He was older compared to my siblings and myself . Probably because he was in North Carolina. He blew the motor of my mothers 67 Covair. So what would the routes be from Downingtown to Valley Forge to Willow Grove to Horsham
And Philadelphia
 
A couple of typos on the dates. You know I know the dates, I gave them to you. You insult me. I think I know when my brother was on liberty 11/15/68 expected return 11/18/68. The autopsy report said he died between 12-24 hrs prior to being found.

It is assumed the road taken was route 30, however there are several other routes to get to where Bobby's body was found. It is not known where he going that Friday afternoon, it is assumed it was Lancaster. One thing for sure is that his murderer/ murderers may or may not have known where they going. He was murdered in one location and his body was found in another.

Never, ever was the weapon determined. It could be assumed that It could have been a knife or a screwdriver or a pen or a pencil, an icepick or a navy weapon. It was referred to as a round object. It was not stated in the autopsy report or by PSP. The weapon was not found. The PSP disregarded the case of Betsy Aardsma as not related to my brothers case in anyway. The weapon used on her may or may not be similar to whatever weapon was used on my brother.

You know, it broke my families hearts that my brother was missing for 43 years. I am fortunate to have finally been able to bring him home, and to know what happened to him. There are many heartbroken families that do not know where their loved ones are.

It doesn't matter what anyone says. You just keep saying the same things over and over. They are your opinions, others may have a completely different opinion.

Again, this thread is about a Marine who went missing for 43 years. His name is Robert Daniel Corriveau, he was 20 years old. He was murdered in PA. His body was found on the Pennsylvania turnpike on November 18, 1968 in Downingtown. If anyone has any information regarding this case please contact the PSP

Sorry if you feel insulted by anything I have written. I know quite well what this thread is about, having started it eleven years ago in 2014 (see post number 1).

I first learned of this case back in 2009 when I saw it on the Pennsylvania State Police website. They were requesting information or assistance from the public:

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Unidentified White Male Found November 18, 1968 near Downingtown, Chester County, Pennsylvania.

Vital Statistics
Estimated Age: 20-30 years old
Estimated height: 5'6"
Estimated weight: 160 lbs
Hair Color: dark brown
Eye Color: green or hazel
Tattoos: On the right upper arm, a bulldog wearing a helmet with the letters USMC underneath. On the left forearm was a "bird in flight", possibly a swallow.
Clothing: Rust colored sweater, brown houndstooth-check pants, brown shoes with buckles. He was covered with a dark blue navy peacoat.
Fingerprints: Available
Distinguishing Characteristics: a healed bullet wound
Estimated Time of Death: about 12 hours prior to being found, but no longer than 24 hours.
Cause of death: stabbed once "through the heart" with a narrow round object that penetrated about four inches.
DNA: unavailable at this time, however, the man was exhumed from his grave in Quaker Cemetery near Kennett Square and samples have been taken to start the DNA process.

Case Details
On Monday, November 18, 1968, at 10:55 a.m., a Pennsylvania State Trooper, while on a routine Turnpike patrol, spotted a man in a semi-sitting position on the side of the highway, about a mile east of the Downingtown interchange. The trooper stopped to check on the man and found that he was dead.
There was no identification on the fully-clothed body and no signs of a struggle.
The FBI studied fingerprints in an effort to identify him, but he remains unidentified.
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I contacted the listed case officer by phone and stated my opinion that he was probably a Marine or Navy Corpsman, wounded in Vietnam, based on their description and photos. I suggested that he contact the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)) and ask them to check with the Navy and the Marine Corps Deserter Office to see if they had any missing Marines or Sailors listed who might fit with the unidentified man. He thanked me for the information and contacted NCIS.

Here is one of my early posts about the case, written 15 March 2010. It is very similar to what I sent to the Pennsylvania State Police case Officer. (Note that these "opinions" or impressions were formed based on the above limited information available at the time.)

QUOTE:
This young man was very likely a US military Veteran - either a Marine or a Sailor who had been wounded in the VietNam War. He appears to be quite young. Although the file write-up states his age between 20 and 30, I think it is likely in his early 20's.

The healed bullet wound might indicate that he had been in a Naval Hospital, perhaps Bethesda, Portsmouth, or Balboa Naval Hospitals, as those were the main ones. I wonder if x-rays were taken of the wound? If a bone had been broken, perhaps it could be compared with x-rays taken of wounded servicemen who were treated at one of the above hospitals.

His haircut is within 1968 regulations for the Navy, but a bit long for Marine Corps standards. He may have been recently discharged and on his way home when he was murdered.

The Navy Pea Coat could indicate that he was a Navy man, although it is also possible that he was a Marine who purchased the coat at a Navy exchange or uniform shop - or that he was borrowing the coat from a friend for the cold weather trip he was on. Marines do not and did not wear Pea Coats as part of their uniform.

The USMC tattoo means either that he was a Marine or possibly that he was a Navy Medical Corpsman who had served with the Marines in combat. US Navy Corpsmen are the "medics" for the Marine Corps.

If he was still on active duty when he died, he would be carried on the books today as a "deserter", since he was never identified. If he had been discharged, the Navy or Marine Corps would not have been looking for him. Either way, his records should be on file at the St. Louis Military Personnel Records Center.

Only Officers had their fingerprints on file in 1968. Enlisted men might be fingerprinted for work in high security jobs, but those fingerprint cards would not necessarily be in their military personnel records.

The 4 inch deep puncture wound that killed him could have come from an icepick or screwdriver. It could also have come from a Marlin Spike. That is a round pointed spike used by sailors to work ropes and untie knots. Often a Marlinspike is attached to a sailor's folder knife, and they are usually 3 to 4 inches in length, and about a quarter inch in diameter.

It is also possible that he was killed with a "shiv" made from a sharpened nail. These are often found in prisons and carried by convicts.

A spike type bayonet could also have been the weapon, as could a sharpened pencil.

I wonder if this young man might have been traveling home for the Thanksgiving holiday. He was dressed nicely and well groomed. Could he have been hitch hiking? Perhaps he was driving and picked up a hitch hiker.

He never made it home.
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We don't know if he went to a bar/pub

Something that just popped into my head, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but PA still had all its Blue Laws in force in 1968, meaning bars wouldn't have been open on Sunday, Nov 17. It wasn't until the early 70s that restaurants or bars would be able to have Sunday liquor sales, still with some restrictions.
 
I know for sure his pic was on the photo. I got my license in 69. Initially paper license for 6mos

I was referring to a PA license. You did not need a photo ID to drink, but you needed something official with your birth date.

Bobby didn't get his license until the summer of 68. He was older compared to my siblings and myself . Probably because he was in North Carolina. He blew the motor of my mothers 67 Covair. So what would the routes be from Downingtown to Valley Forge to Willow Grove to Horsham
Downingtown to Valley Forge to Phila is the Turnpike to the Schuylkill. If you were going from Valley Forge, you'd stay on the Turnpike until Horsham. Get off and go north of Route 611 (Old York Road) for about 0.8 miles and you are now in Horsham. Turn around and go south, under the Turnpike, and you are in Willow Grove. Continue south on 611 and it becomes North Broad Street in Phila.
 
Something that just popped into my head, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but PA still had all its Blue Laws in force in 1968, meaning bars wouldn't have been open on Sunday, Nov 17. It wasn't until the early 70s that restaurants or bars would be able to have Sunday liquor sales, still with some restrictions.
He could not have gotten served anyhow and could not buy liquor. A beer distributor might have been open.
 
Sorry if you feel insulted by anything I have written. I know quite well what this thread is about, having started it eleven years ago in 2014 (see post number 1).

I first learned of this case back in 2009 when I saw it on the Pennsylvania State Police website. They were requesting information or assistance from the public:

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Unidentified White Male Found November 18, 1968 near Downingtown, Chester County, Pennsylvania.

Vital Statistics
Estimated Age: 20-30 years old
Estimated height: 5'6"
Estimated weight: 160 lbs
Hair Color: dark brown
Eye Color: green or hazel
Tattoos: On the right upper arm, a bulldog wearing a helmet with the letters USMC underneath. On the left forearm was a "bird in flight", possibly a swallow.
Clothing: Rust colored sweater, brown houndstooth-check pants, brown shoes with buckles. He was covered with a dark blue navy peacoat.
Fingerprints: Available
Distinguishing Characteristics: a healed bullet wound
Estimated Time of Death: about 12 hours prior to being found, but no longer than 24 hours.
Cause of death: stabbed once "through the heart" with a narrow round object that penetrated about four inches.
DNA: unavailable at this time, however, the man was exhumed from his grave in Quaker Cemetery near Kennett Square and samples have been taken to start the DNA process.

Case Details
On Monday, November 18, 1968, at 10:55 a.m., a Pennsylvania State Trooper, while on a routine Turnpike patrol, spotted a man in a semi-sitting position on the side of the highway, about a mile east of the Downingtown interchange. The trooper stopped to check on the man and found that he was dead.
There was no identification on the fully-clothed body and no signs of a struggle.
The FBI studied fingerprints in an effort to identify him, but he remains unidentified.
-------------

I contacted the listed case officer by phone and stated my opinion that he was probably a Marine or Navy Corpsman, wounded in Vietnam, based on their description and photos. I suggested that he contact the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)) and ask them to check with the Navy and the Marine Corps Deserter Office to see if they had any missing Marines or Sailors listed who might fit with the unidentified man. He thanked me for the information and contacted NCIS.

Here is one of my early posts about the case, written 15 March 2010. It is very similar to what I sent to the Pennsylvania State Police case Officer. (Note that these "opinions" or impressions were formed based on the above limited information available at the time.)

QUOTE:
This young man was very likely a US military Veteran - either a Marine or a Sailor who had been wounded in the VietNam War. He appears to be quite young. Although the file write-up states his age between 20 and 30, I think it is likely in his early 20's.

The healed bullet wound might indicate that he had been in a Naval Hospital, perhaps Bethesda, Portsmouth, or Balboa Naval Hospitals, as those were the main ones. I wonder if x-rays were taken of the wound? If a bone had been broken, perhaps it could be compared with x-rays taken of wounded servicemen who were treated at one of the above hospit
His haircut is within 1968 regulations for the Navy, but a bit long for Marine Corps standards. He may have been recently discharged and on his way home when he was murdered.

The Navy Pea Coat could indicate that he was a Navy man, although it is also possible that he was a Marine who purchased the coat at a Navy exchange or uniform shop - or that he was borrowing the coat from a friend for the cold weather trip he was on. Marines do not and did not wear Pea Coats as part of their uniform.

The USMC tattoo means either that he was a Marine or possibly that he was a Navy Medical Corpsman who had served with the Marines in combat. US Navy Corpsmen are the "medics" for the Marine Corps.

If he was still on active duty when he died, he would be carried on the books today as a "deserter", since he was never identified. If he had been discharged, the Navy or Marine Corps would not have been looking for him. Either way, his records should be on file at the St. Louis Military Personnel Records Center.

Only Officers had their fingerprints on file in 1968. Enlisted men might be fingerprinted for work in high security jobs, but those fingerprint cards would not necessarily be in their military personnel records.

The 4 inch deep puncture wound that killed him could have come from an icepick or screwdriver. It could also have come from a Marlin Spike. That is a round pointed spike used by sailors to work ropes and untie knots. Often a Marlinspike is attached to a sailor's folder knife, and they are usually 3 to 4 inches in length, and about a quarter inch in diameter.

It is also possible that he was killed with a "shiv" made from a sharpened nail. These are often found in prisons and carried by convicts.

A spike type bayonet could also have been the weapon, as could a sharpened pencil.

I wonder if this young man might have been traveling home for the Thanksgiving holiday. He was dressed nicely and well groomed. Could he have been hitch hiking? Perhaps he was driving and picked up a hitch hiker.

He never made it home.
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I have read every post. It prompted me to contact you because of what you were writing. I thought talking to you might help find my brothers muderer. You would now have accurate information from a direct source to add to his story.

You started to write a detailed narrative containing additional information. Information I didn't feel was necessary to disclose, "he was classified as being awol and then declared a deserter" was pertinent to his case. I think giving the dates he disappeared from the hospital were sufficient. He was a decorated Marine found murdered not identified for 43 years..

You then added Besty Aardsma into the his story which I personally did not see any connection to Bobby's case. I passed this info on to the PSP and gave them this link to follow. I think somewhere along the line different opinions started to come into play. Some of the comments obviously bothered me. After he was identified it was recommended a new thread be started and the thread became the cold case of the now identified Cpl Robert Daniel Corriveau, USMC. That was where it belongs now.

You had given me the story of Betsy Aardsma and your theory of it being so similar to Bobby's case. Right down to the weapon type and your opinion of who you thought committed her murder.

I provided all the info contained in his Service Record book. I gave personal detailed information I thought might help the investigators with the case. I had to relive the horrible scene of Bobby being removed from our home. I had nightmares. My normal weight of 110 lbs weight dropped down to 82 lbs in 4 months because I couldn't keep food down. I needed to do this for the sake of my brother in the hope of finding his murderer.

The info you say you provided to the PSP in 2009 was forgotten, buried in a pile. They didn't contact NCIS until 2011.

Because the PSP thought Bobby was a Marine they contacted NCIS. On Octber 11. 2011, I was contacted by the Marine Corp who asked me if I could identify any marks, tattoos healed bullet wounds, and scars for my missing brother Robert Daniel Corriveau.

As far as the dog tags, id, licenses and wallet, they were at my parents house. I saw them. My Mother denied ever having them when she spoke to John. She made me look like a liar. The duffel bag I told John about was in the basement closet, my brother Tom, himself murdered in 2015 backed me up on this bag being there.

So there are two things that upset me in all your repeated posts. The reference of the Betsy Aardsma case, and Haefner as her possible unproven killer. This doesn't belong attached to my brothers case. The second is your repeated narrative of of my brother being awol and a deserter because that is protocol when a military man/woman is missing. You have been told that all of his records have been corrected.
 
Something that just popped into my head, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but PA still had all its Blue Laws in force in 1968, meaning bars wouldn't have been open on Sunday, Nov 17. It wasn't until the early 70s that restaurants or bars would be able to have Sunday liquor sales, still with some restrictions.
That's right, I remember. He could have had a fake id to get liquor not necessarily on Sunday. He could been at a party maybe at someone's house that had liquor. It could also been where he was murdered. Just a thought.
 
That's right, I remember. He could have had a fake id to get liquor not necessarily on Sunday. He could been at a party maybe at someone's house that had liquor. It could also been where he was murdered. Just a thought.

Very true. A private party or underground bar would be a possibility. And as for Saturday night, an actual bar would still be a possibility in my mind - true he wasn't of legal age to drink in PA, however many bartenders looked the other way for military members in the thoughts that, "If they're old enough to go to war, they're old enough to have a drink."
 
Very true. A private party or underground bar would be a possibility. And as for Saturday night, an actual bar would still be a possibility in my mind - true he wasn't of legal age to drink in PA, however many bartenders looked the other way for military members in the thoughts that, "If they're old enough to go to war, they're old enough to have a drink."
And even today, there are speakeasys in Philadelphia.

An ice pick would likely be at either a private party or a speakeasy.

That is why I was asking about colleges. Villanova is a Catholic school, but I'm sure they had keg parties in the 1960's.
 
Very true. A private party or underground bar would be a possibility. And as for Saturday night, an actual bar would still be a possibility in my mind - true he wasn't of legal age to drink in PA, however many bartenders looked the other way for military members in the thoughts that, "If they're old enough to go to war, they're old enough to have a drink."
I heard this too. Also, I was told there was a bar near the hospital that did serve underaged military. Bobby went to Vietnam at 18.8 months old.
 
And even today, there are speakeasys in Philadelphia.

An ice pick would likely be at either a private party or a speakeasy.

That is why I was asking about colleges. Villanova is a Catholic school, but I'm sure they had keg parties in the 1960's.
True
 
Very true. A private party or underground bar would be a possibility. And as for Saturday night, an actual bar would still be a possibility in my mind - true he wasn't of legal age to drink in PA, however many bartenders looked the other way for military members in the thoughts that, "If they're old enough to go to war, they're old enough to have

He could not have gotten served anyhow and could not buy liquor. A beer distributor might have been open.
Ok, entirely possible. Just a thought.. I know of under age kids 15, 16 etc who can easily get an adult to buy them liquor. It just happened where I live. An adult teacher bought under aged high school kids liquor. One of them told their parents who then contacted the police. The teacher was arrested and is waiting for trial.
 

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