Found Deceased PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

[Allisoncross]

I have thought what if he met up with someone under the bridge by the river for a hook up (secluded, chilly, somewhat romantic, and outside) and decided he wasn't interested and that person wasn't what he expected. Politely said no thanks now and get pushed into water? Clothes weighing you down, water freezing, intoxicated, struggling to get back up making you panic and exhausted. Just because you rejected someone you thought was a good idea before you actually met them. It could happen.

This is probably the most logical assumption I've seen thus far.


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[weekleyjl]

I wondered if the XX where the eyes were made a 20 therefore making the # 24. Idk just a thought.

 

[weekleyjl]

It also turns 20 (XX) into 24.

Exactly what I was thinking!

 

[SomeoneElse333]

Exactly what I was thinking!

What's the significance of 24?

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[AFTM]

Good morning life. It's been a rough couple of days. Planning a memorial service and funeral is no easy task especially for a child.

What I know right now for the Frederick, MD service:

Friday March 24th, memorial service. Time and place still being finalized.

Saturday, March 25th, funeral, 1:00pm
Stauffers, Opposumtown Pike
Doors will open at 12:00pm
Resthaven following service

Thank you for all the prayers and condolences. We greatly appreciate everyone of you!!

Dear God,

You are with me.
You see all that I experience, all that I think and care for all that I feel.

You are with me.
You see my frustration, all the thoughts that run through my mind
And hold me as I cry.

Thank you, loving Father,
You are with us.
I ask for help with this journey,
In the knowledge that you love me.

You are with us.
You, and only you understand the dynamics of what is happening.
May your hand on our lives create understanding , forgiveness and peace.

In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

Dakota I love you so hard!

Pamela James


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[BA1973]

Not to dwell on the smiley face, I took the IV to be 4: lipp, kochu, slack, dakota. All in Pittsburgh I think? Sure I am reading too much into it. .

 

[CARIIS]

Cariis, if you're still out there your inbox is full [emoji4]

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The way you wrote this just cracked me up!

 

[CARIIS]

Wow. Great post.

Oh you -- a great post pls an awesome post

said it like it is

Le has their pants down on a story about a gay man


shame shame on them


not saying a word till the tox screen --to me that means when they got him out of the river they could tell he had not been in water for a month and a half

waiting for media to die out

For them, to this day , not lable JOey murder is an insult to anyone with a noodle

its scary how they get away with this

hey govt workers

the real deal here is media

excuse me Joey was dead before water- can you explain why your ME is still calling this inconclusive?

He was dead before being placed in water - can you explain why it is still not murder

give me a break

its insulting


its bs

 

[CARIIS]

Im not sure why they are refusing. If they are waiting on the result she of the tox screen to make any conclusions I suspect it's because they are tryinr to determine if it was accidental or not. Sorry for a any typo's my phone keep saying lagging in my responses.

They know now how long he has been in water. That is the entire question slip and fall in on the 25th , or been murdered and tossed in after that.

Tox screen has nothing to do with nothing -- body produces ethanol in decomp . It is a fact .

They were IMO totally caught off guard when media started carrying moms FB post.

Hide story will go away and it will except us --------

 

[CARIIS]

I think the only other possibilities could be that:
Yes he was in a questionable area late at night...
Did someone follow him to rob him...(Apparently Not) The only other thought I have is was he put in water because he was gay....(Hate Crime)
Did he commit suicide??

I don't think we will ever know now because the body was not found right a way...




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I think some of these are homophobes using Grindr (etc) to lure gay men to their death

what I don't get is grindr lack of response. If I was on Grindr I would not be worried about my confidence if they released I talked to someone who is now dead, or a murderer

In fact, I would be relieved that they don't want possible killers on my app

When it comes to ending up dead- I would prefer they cooperate with LE instantly if you dont mind....

moo

 

[CARIIS]

https://bgr.com/2016/01/04/uber-arrival-time-late/

I just don't like any of ya! KIdding kidding. Upset! God I feel so old!. Never Ubered or Grindred or Bobmed it or Grouped it.

When I first started reading about this - when I read that the Uber call was an hour earlier that sounded weird to me.

But it was (I thought) explained as a timed pickup. But it still seemed weird to me.

If she was heart surgeon and had to be at the OR for a heart transplant well ok

Hanging out with her loved gay friend drinking does not strike me as an earth shattering need for a timed pick up.

I am not implying anything as far as she goes. I am going back to LE having so much wrong .

He is texting his dad , he is not texting his dad, they had the the last place they were at in the middle of the truth.

They say they have no video then they say he never crossed a bridge.

Then they say they saw a shoe, This is 2017.

Fine were sleuths - but at least we keep our stories straight.

I am fine to be open to the fact that as a gay man I have increased sensitivity to cop homophobia -- that is fine and understandable.

During Zach Joey or Dakota, I have never maintained that they all are connected.

All 40 I mean. But you bet I am angry- some of these are connected IMO

Come on we are seasoned true crime . We know about MO. This notion , over and over that LE keeps maintaining , all over the place, that a bunch of young dudes need to stop pee peeing by a lake and ending up in a morgue is flat out dumb.

Why (FBI) don't you guys want to find out what is going on?

If congressmens sons were falling into rivers and ending up dead - would that be different?

I think so................

My sensitivities here are cause to me it "feels" like ah who cares another fa# fell into some river .

For a lot of us , because of each of other, we know a lot more , than folks who glance thro a headline or two, that LE is dancing now.

They know how long he was in water this moment, its flat out illogical (they are getting away with it) that we have to wait for a tox screen.

What on earth does a tox screen have to do with duration of immersion?

Ugh just own it - you guys (LE) messed this one up, do better next time

jeezzzzz

moo

 

[bluesneakers]

What's the significance of 24?

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[CARIIS]

From LE's "time line" press conference:

bbm



There is an odd disconnect in the presented timeline. It could be purposeful, a ridiculous mistake or lousy investigative work. What happened to the missing one hour? Where does it fit in to the timeline?

I believe it was purposeful. By the time LE presented the "timeline" press conference LE was well-aware of the timeline and determined that whatever happened to DJ occurred after certain time points which LE is reluctant to publicize in the event DJ's gone missing was a result of "foul play" and they have to interrogate a perp and obtain times and locations. Whatever the scenario, this timeline is clouded.





Why would LE begin search in the Monongahela River? No explanation from LE. We might assume it was based on what LE knew at the time, that reports may have indicated DJ was last seen (not necessarily on video) walking generally southwestward in downtown. It is not until two days later that LE requests video from the Cultural District, a location in the opposite direction (northward from Liberty Ave.) from where downtown borders the Monongahela River.





LE first requested info from the "social network app" that DJ had used but it seems the "social network app" required for LE to obtain a search warrant. I expect such a policy is for the protection of their user's privacy and the "social network app" potential liability.

Also note LE was made aware of a user (of the same "social network app") who had communicated with DJ. It is not clear if that communication was previous to, on or after the day DJ went missing. We might assume the communication was the same day or close to the same day DJ went missing.





Interesting that DJ's parents had DJ's laptop. Did LE ask the parents to retrieve it from his apartment or had they taken it when they first visited DJ's apartment for the welfare check? There probably is nothing to this other than to recognize LE did not maintain proper chain of custody of potential evidence at the beginning of this case.

This next point is key. When LE reported that DJ "was not present" when the co-worker was picked up by the Uber driver (as shown on video), they did not mean DJ never appeared on video from the same camera / area, he just was not in the area @ 11:49 p.m. when Uber arrived.

We might assume the co-worker contacted for an Uber ride @ ~11:30 p.m. but this contradicts LE's presented timeline. If DJ did not "stay with the co-worker while she waited for Uber", what did the both of them, having gone their separate ways, do for an ~hour? It is only a few minutes walk from the Wood Street T Station to Katz Plaza / Scott Place, and this fits in with an 11:30 p.m. time point: DJ shows up o Katz Plaza @ 11:46 p.m. Is this accurate? More on this in the next item.





DJ is seen walking past the Wood Street T Station @ 11:39 p.m. According to LE, DJ and the co-worker left Images @ 10:30 p.m. Uber picks up the co-worker @ 11:49 p.m. This highlights the one hour discrepancy in the presented timeline. Did the co-worker have to wait one hour for an Uber and did DJ really stay with or otherwise keep an eye on the co-worker until the Uber arrived and she was safely on-board? While it is possible an Uber would not arrive for one hour, it is HIGHLY unlikely, especially in Pittsburgh where Uber maintains a strong presence with their piloting of driverless vehicles.

Major Crimes supervisors meeting with the family comes after LE obtained video from the Port Authority Cultural District and other locations. I believe the family was presented with video and / or LE's then-understanding of DJ's timeline and locations the evening of January 25. I do not expect the river was considered a primary focal point in the case although it was always a possibility from the beginning.





This was a key video that led LE to focus on the Cultural District and paths to the bridges / North Side.





At this point LE is convinced DJ is in the river because he is shown as approaching on to FDB but not seen crossing any bridge on Port Authority's bridges videos. Why LE investigated along 7th Avenue to the Seventh Street Bridge is a mystery since DJ is shown in Katz Plaza, walking away from 7th Avenue. unless they wanted to be sure DJ did not backtrack from FDB to 7th Avenue.

The Katz Plaza video screen capture image was released to the public to show DJ as he appeared that evening and to show DJ's last 'known' location... perhaps a longshot to garner tips.




In summation, LE has video of DJ approaching on to FDB and no video of DJ crossing a bridge. The river runs between those points. Unless an evil lurker hides along FBD and surprises unsuspecting walking-homers with intent to toss them in to the river I suspect the situation was a drunken, tired and who-knows-what-he-was-thinking-about (text message to a family member and / or whatever else?) DJ ending up at least down by the river under his own power... perhaps ala Zachary Marr, but who knows how or why he entered the water?

This is so good. I kept referring to my discomfort about the "long presser".

Now in some way, it was better that I was so late into this. That presser was so weird - but I had no context, but it sure was strange.
But as I learned more the more it got more messed up. This is not making sense LE.

It sure does not change the tragic outcome , but I am glad to see some of us here questioning all this LE stuff.

In that beginning for me( mayor) I am thinking what on earth is a mayor getting on TV explaining what his Le dept is doing?

That is not normal (and then a couple of days letter I saw moms FB post and everything changed).

 

[CARIIS]

The "smiley face" I photographed is on the river walk below Fort Dusquene Blvd. I walked down the stairs to the riverwalk to the area where the police did a water search back in Feb. It's not the North Shore, it's across the bridge on the side of Katz. It's where I believe I think he walked down to the water. There was tons of graffiti there. I didn't notice the face on my walk initially, I turned around and saw it on the way back. It struck me because it was close to where they got a hit with the dogs. I know I read those faces are painted near where ther person entered the water.
Picture is the side of the river I was on, up from where the water search was conducted by LE.


QUOTE=mjp1228;13218662]i thought the dog hit and police search was on the downtown side of the river near the Clemente Bridge. That wall of graffiti looks to be on the North Shore - across the river from downtown.

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I just could not walk here in darkness- boogeymen

 

[TibbarSpins]

Not to dwell on the smiley face, I took the IV to be 4: lipp, kochu, slack, dakota. All in Pittsburgh I think? Sure I am reading too much into it. .

I thought the same thing myself...

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[CARIIS]

Bbm: Same, but then what?

My thinking (atm and subject to change) is either suicide or someone killed him and dumped his body closer to where he was found. As far as I can tell there's nothing firmly suggesting he entered the water near where he was last seen (or is there?) but it's easy to jump to that conclusion.

I do not go into abducted- (like a van skidding to a stop etc) I go lured to death,

I think they willingly "met" and then the rest is tragic.

Like the craigs list killers

lured...........................

 

[CARIIS]

It also turns 20 (XX) into 24.

Hi my dear

what does that mean??

 

[CARIIS]

During break


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[weekleyjl]

What's the significance of 24?

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I am not sure there is any significance to the number at all. Someone had wondered why there was a Roman Numeral 4 and I thought maybe it was a 24.

 

[Libertynjustice4all]

This is a photo taken near the wharf behind the giant eagle where PK was last seen: https://soleforthesoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/that-time-i-peed-outside/