GUILTY PA - Holly Grim, 41, Wescosville, 22 Nov 2013 #1 *Arrest*

[FigTree]

Wasn't that a heat related death? Child playing crawled in the trunk and . . .

Yes Poor Baby.

I hope that there was an extensive search inside of all the cars in the junk yard with the search for Holly - trunks and bonnets lifted (where possible) - even if they had to be forced open a bit to get a torch light inside.

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[heartgoesout]

Holly's car and trunk have been checked?
It is my understanding that it is still parked i her driveway.

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

Wasn't that a heat related death? Child playing crawled in the trunk and . . .

This happened to my friends son in Georgia 20 years ago. I will never forget it. He would of been 23 yrs old.

 

[Trackergd]

Holly's car and trunk have been checked?
It is my understanding that it is still parked i her driveway.

I can check on that.

If she was in there, the smell would have been noticed by the neighbors by now.

 

[Houston Mom]

Trackergd, Has that pond been searched with sonar? Here in TX Tim Miller and his crew are pulling bodies out of the water routinely.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5601444,-75.5728291,17z

 

[Trackergd]

Trackergd, Has that pond been searched with sonar? Here in TX Tim Miller and his crew are pulling bodies out of the water routinely.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5601444,-75.5728291,17z

It's not that big a pond according to the search team. They had planned to recheck it, possibly using some poles.

 

[Trackergd]

Trackergd, Has that pond been searched with sonar? Here in TX Tim Miller and his crew are pulling bodies out of the water routinely.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5601444,-75.5728291,17z

I had high hopes of getting an ROV for water SAR, but the 100 grand price tag was too rich for me.

 

[sophiebelle]

Are there no small fire departments etc., that have water rescue teams, even in a nearby town, that could use this as a training exercise?

 

[Trackergd]

Are there no small fire departments etc., that have water rescue teams, even in a nearby town, that could use this as a training exercise?

Technically we are not supposed to be searching. As long as the search team is not breaking any laws and obeys posted property and gets permission, there is not much LE can say about it.

LE is not permitting any municipal or professional resources to used.

 

[sophiebelle]

Technically we are not supposed to be searching. As long as the search team is not breaking any laws and obeys posted property and gets permission, there is not much LE can say about it.

LE is not permitting any municipal or professional resources to used.

Can the family not become aggressive and take their problems to the news? I don't think I would let LE make bad decisions on my missing loved one without a fight! Some people are afraid to make waves with authority or they feel hopeless. The family or a friend is the only voice a victim has and this case needs a loud voice. IMO
Thanks for your response, and I appreciate your help to this family. Will they take advice from you?

 

[zwiebel]

I wonder what ever happened to this man accused of attacking a woman in his mobile home in Wescosville back in 2010? Would that 'Grange Rd' mobile home park be the same one Holly lives in?

http://articles.mcall.com/2010-07-2...ville-man-lower-macungie-township-grange-road

 

[heartgoesout]

I wonder what ever happened to this man accused of attacking a woman in his mobile home in Wescosville back in 2010? Would that 'Grange Rd' mobile home park be the same one Holly lives in?

http://articles.mcall.com/2010-07-2...ville-man-lower-macungie-township-grange-road

Yes, this is the same trailer park.

 

[cutter99]

If LE is not letting municipal or professional resources to be utilized, it is because there is something they know that they have not shared publicly- like Holly left willingly or had planned to leave with someone else? Or could it be like in the case of Ashley Kline, LE had a fairly good idea of who she left with and when, it was just a matter of finding her?

 

[heartgoesout]

Can the family not become aggressive and take their problems to the news? I don't think I would let LE make bad decisions on my missing loved one without a fight! Some people are afraid to make waves with authority or they feel hopeless. The family or a friend is the only voice a victim has and this case needs a loud voice. IMO
Thanks for your response, and I appreciate your help to this family. Will they take advice from you?

If no one is demanding answers than the police can run the investigation without answering to the public. Holly's case is pretty quiet in the area. Her friends and family are doing their best to spread the word but without the leaders of the community supporting them and pressure from the community, it gets brushed under the table. Police may have a valid reason as to why they are not asking for SAR teams, dogs, technology, etc... I would hope that regardless of a missing persons age, wealth, background... every effort would be made to find them. but let's face it in the real world sadly politics can play a role. The media will not run anything unless there is an update to the case.

 

[Houston Mom]

Are there no small fire departments etc., that have water rescue teams, even in a nearby town, that could use this as a training exercise?

That's how they found Lillian High, bless her soul.....

http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-source...-car-found-in-pond-body-inside-139365298.html

 

[Trackergd]

Can the family not become aggressive and take their problems to the news? I don't think I would let LE make bad decisions on my missing loved one without a fight! Some people are afraid to make waves with authority or they feel hopeless. The family or a friend is the only voice a victim has and this case needs a loud voice. IMO
Thanks for your response, and I appreciate your help to this family. Will they take advice from you?

I have given Holly's mother a few options to those points. I have not seen much movement in that direction. It also does not help that LE is not talking to her very much.

 

[Trackergd]

If LE is not letting municipal or professional resources to be utilized, it is because there is something they know that they have not shared publicly- like Holly left willingly or had planned to leave with someone else? Or could it be like in the case of Ashley Kline, LE had a fairly good idea of who she left with and when, it was just a matter of finding her?

This is my take as well.

I doubt with the blood evidence and condition of the inside of the trailer that she left willingly.

 

[Trackergd]

If no one is demanding answers than the police can run the investigation without answering to the public. Holly's case is pretty quiet in the area. Her friends and family are doing their best to spread the word but without the leaders of the community supporting them and pressure from the community, it gets brushed under the table. Police may have a valid reason as to why they are not asking for SAR teams, dogs, technology, etc... I would hope that regardless of a missing persons age, wealth, background... every effort would be made to find them. but let's face it in the real world sadly politics can play a role. The media will not run anything unless there is an update to the case.

And this is exactly the state of affairs at this moment, and why the volunteers are such a valuable asset. I am about 90% sure that the SAR Teams and other Emergency Services have been warned not to get involved.

One SAR resource slipped up and said LE told him it was a homicide, yet LE is not telling Holly's mom that, so there is some conflict in information.

One of the purposes of the meeting a couple of weeks back was to dispel rumors and try to pull together what was actually known. It was unfortunate the PI could not attend.

 

[Richrd]

State Police To ReExamine Holly's Disappearance - 4/29

Tue 4/29/14: http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/...lice-plan-interviews-20140429,0,4009020.story


Refreshing Progress.

 

[sophiebelle]

Maybe the state police will do right by this family this time. If those who live around there haven't told what they know by now, I just don't know. Maybe if there's some that have not wanted to talk, they can target them.