PA - Kenzie Houk, 26, pregnant, murdered, Wampum, 20 Feb 2009

[passionflower]

Has anything been said about bio mom?
Is she deceased? Are parents divorced?
Our local news will be on soon........if anything is new.
I'll post a link.

 

[JaneInOz]

If you google there are thousands upon thousands of instances where homeowners or home occupants stopped home invaders/robbers/rapists that were inside their homes or trying to break in.

Due to the media bias against guns these cases don't get much air time, especially if the home occupant only had to point their weapon and not fire. The media's motto is "if it bleeds, it leads" imo.

Here is one and the invader was a known sexual predator among many other things. Wonder what ideas he had in his head when he entered that home? I don't think he was there to break bread with the homeowners.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/39770977.html?numComments=27

A case in my own hometown happened about two years ago. An elderly couple had two young thugs break into their home. The husband shot one of the suspects with his shotgun and the other one fled but was later caught by the police. Both suspects were armed. The homeowner wasn't charged with the death of the suspect he shot inside his home.

imoo

OMG

That is horrendous

The home intruder gunned down by a northeast valley resident Sunday was a registered sex offender with a long criminal history, Las Vegas police said.

The Clark County coroner's office identified the dead man as Mark Clinton Vains, 42, of Las Vegas. Vains died of multiple gunshot wounds to the chest at a residence on the 4600 block of Crystal Peak Drive, near Cheyenne Avenue and Las Vegas Boulevard.

Resident Paul Witte returned home about 4:15 p.m. and upon entering, discovered Vains, who was carrying a pellet gun, homicide Lt. Lew Roberts has said.

Roberts said Witte's gun was registered.

Witte did not return calls from the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

He told KVBC-TV, Channel 3, that he knew something was wrong when he saw a suitcase on the floor containing his possessions. He chambered a round and fired at Vains, who rushed him holding what appeared to be a .45-caliber handgun. Witte didn't know it was a pellet gun until police told him later.

"I didn't create the situation," Witte said. "I reacted to his actions. I have no remorse whatsoever."

Just disgusting IMO

This person in the house was Robbing him. that is WRONG I totally understand that and he the robber should be locked up not MURDERED

and that is what this home occupant did - he murdered him in cold blood just opened up a round on him, why didn't he shoot him in the leg and then RUN Himself.

The home owner has no remorse whatsoever

No remorse for taking a life

And people thinking that is ok ?




What is this world coming to

 

[passionflower]

Family is talking to media and warning signs.............
http://www.wpxi.com/index.html
He hated the new girls, mom and baby.
Boy new right from wrong.
He knew the danger of guns.
Boy is charged as an adult and is in the Lawrence county jail.
A phsyco doc is on frontal lobes on 11 yr old isn't developed.
Trying to get boy out of jail and into another facility.
He was in the 5th grade!
Blanket used to hide gun and silencer.......burn holes in it.
No death penalty for children that murder only LWOP.
Funeral for Kenzie and Christopher JR.is on Wednesday.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

You all are so well spoken here, even when on both sides of the fence. I am very indecisive (sp?) when it comes to "nature vs nurture". It's hard to believe a person can be born "deviant" and it's hard to understand if a person could be nurtured into being a beast.

 

[passionflower]

http://www.wpxi.com/news/18780317/detail.html

also NO REMORSE from Brown

 

[passionflower]

http://kdka.com/local/11.year.old.2.941836.html

counselors going to school for students..........

 

[passionflower]

ideo called 'what went wrong'
http://kdka.com/[email protected]

 

[passionflower]

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/topstories

new castle pa newspaper and video

 

[passionflower]

Mom's obit
http://www.legacy.com/ncnewsonline/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=124543852

 

[passionflower]

Baby Christopher's obit

http://www.legacy.com/ncnewsonline/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=124543853

 

[concernedperson]

Hey concerned! As I said in my earlier post, I understand that the prevailing scientific wisdom is that sociopaths come in this way and that child sociopaths are beyond our help.

Do you think some of the mystery of science could be that we have just haven't yet discovered a way to help people with the spectrum of behaviors/attitudes/etc... associated with sociopaths? What we know today may not be what we know tomorrow.

I am incapable of giving up on any human being, regardless of the terrible things they might do. That said, I do believe that people who are obviously dangerous need to be out of society's way to protect the rest of us from potential harm. But I do think we should continue to reach out to them. I do not consider them beyond help ever.

We haven't discovered it yet. Mental health is a long way from being cured. In any and all spectrums. I don't want to give up either but I have seen it from several perspectives. It is a terrible thing.

 

[Fairy1]

Well, I just have a difficult time believing that some young children are just "bad seeds" that should be written off forever. There are many factors to be considered in cases like this one. We do not know the environment in which this boy lived or the circumstances of his life. When I look at his mugshot, I don't see an evil person, but a frightened child. In this case, I do believe the boy is guilty. I didn't and still don't feel that way with the 8-year-old in AZ. There is a significant difference in age (maturity-wise) and although - on the face of it - both children were dealing with life-altering events, one allegedly killed his beloved father and the other allegedly killed the woman (and baby) who he felt was threatening his way of life.

I maintain that children who are undergoing huge changes in their lives need to be counseled BY THEIR PARENTS. I don't want to sound sexist, but both of these boys were being raised by their fathers - who may not necessarily have been in tune with their boy's feelings, fears and insecurities. Both lived in rural areas where hunting was a way of life and neither father appears to have shown the slightest inclination to secure the firearms in their homes. I don't understand that and never will. Rural or urban, children are children and it is up to the adults in their lives to know the limitations of their children. Common sense should prevail - no matter where we are raising our children. IMHO

 

[SuziQ]

OMG

That is horrendous







Just disgusting IMO

This person in the house was Robbing him. that is WRONG I totally understand that and he the robber should be locked up not MURDERED

and that is what this home occupant did - he murdered him in cold blood just opened up a round on him, why didn't he shoot him in the leg and then RUN Himself.

The home owner has no remorse whatsoever

No remorse for taking a life

And people thinking that is ok ?




What is this world coming to

I agree that the guy should have some remorse. But when you shoot a gun at someone you see is holding a gun (pellet guns look like real guns, which I'm sure is why the punk carried it) you shoot to kill. If you shoot someone in the leg, who is holding a gun, they will fire off a shot at you.

When someone is breaking into your house, you have to assume the worst. To assume anything less will cost you your life or the life of your family.

Criminals are well armed and aren't going to be breaking into your house to decorate. I certainly am not going to waste precious minutes to see what their intent is.

 

[Fairy1]

OMG

That is horrendous







Just disgusting IMO

This person in the house was Robbing him. that is WRONG I totally understand that and he the robber should be locked up not MURDERED

and that is what this home occupant did - he murdered him in cold blood just opened up a round on him, why didn't he shoot him in the leg and then RUN Himself.

The home owner has no remorse whatsoever

No remorse for taking a life

And people thinking that is ok ?




What is this world coming to

I do think this is ok - and it happened in my city! Think about how you would feel if someone broke into YOUR home and looked through all of your things and then decided what he thought he should take as his own. Then consider how you would feel if you walked into your home, after a hard days work and saw this TAKING YOUR STUFF! And then consider how you feel and what you would do if you saw a weapon in his hand. If you own a gun, are you going to be the one to wind up dead on your own living room floor while some takes your sh*t or are you going to be the one to walk away? This is a no-brainer for me....sorry. I would never shoot someone under any other circumstances, but if I found someone IN MY HOME, my family's sanctuary, I would not hesitate. I have children here and they are my #1 priority - always.

 

[JaneInOz]

I agree that the guy should have some remorse. But when you shoot a gun at someone you see is holding a gun (pellet guns look like real guns, which I'm sure is why the punk carried it) you shoot to kill. If you shoot someone in the leg, who is holding a gun, they will fire off a shot at you.

When someone is breaking into your house, you have to assume the worst. To assume anything less will cost you your life or the life of your family.

Criminals are well armed and aren't going to be breaking into your house to decorate. I certainly am not going to waste precious minutes to see what their intent is.

He had a pellet gun - do they kill ? (genuine question not being a smart a$$)

I just think its wrong

He had a family too (maybe a mother that weeps for him - its not always the parents faults that the children go on the wrong path)

And I know he was a bad person, but he didnt deserve to me murdered in cold blood....wounded yes, locked up - yes - death....Sigh ....

I often look to myself and think, you are priveledged you have been protected , sheltered from these henious crimes, you do not know what you talk of, (although i do have *Some* things in my life) but then i look at someone like Rosco, who has had henious crimes committed against her family and she doesnt hold such thoughts - she even wrote in the DP Thread that she doesnt believe in it, an that was after her parents were murdered



This boy will go to jail, he will come out and he will reoffend. That sort of rage at the age of 11 is not going to leave him.....ever.....

 

[txsvicki]

It sounds as if several people knew that the boy had previously threatened the mom and her 7 year old daughter and the boy told his cousin that he wanted to shoot her/them. If an adult knew this, immediated steps should have been taken to remove all weapons from the vicinity and attempts made to get the boy into either juvie or a children's mental/school hospital setting. If an adult made such threats it would be taken seriously. It's ridiculous that kids aren't taken seriously and don't get help. If the boy could have gotten removed from the situation two people might still be alive. If he is truly an incurable sociopath maybe he could have gone on to become a horrible boss to someone , a crooked politician, or just a thief someday instead of facing LWOP as a child murderer. There could even be underlying child onset mental illness that if treated, he still might have problems but not have murdered. But on the other hand, it's not easy to find a child psychiatrist or get anyone to even consider child mental illness much less get one hospitalized for evaluation unless they have the right insurance or enough money to pay cash. LE might not have taken the threat seriously either since nothing had happened yet.

 

[Fairy1]

He had a pellet gun - do they kill ? (genuine question not being a smart a$$)

I just think its wrong

He had a family too (maybe a mother that weeps for him - its not always the parents faults that the children go on the wrong path)

And I know he was a bad person, but he didnt deserve to me murdered in cold blood....wounded yes, locked up - yes - death....Sigh ....

I often look to myself and think, you are priveledged you have been protected , sheltered from these henious crimes, you do not know what you talk of, (although i do have *Some* things in my life) but then i look at someone like Rosco, who has had henious crimes committed against her family and she doesnt hold such thoughts - she even wrote in the DP Thread that she doesnt believe in it, an that was after her parents were murdered



This boy will go to jail, he will come out and he will reoffend. That sort of rage at the age of 11 is not going to leave him.....ever.....

No, a pellet gun cannot kill. But if you walked into your home and found a stranger pointing one at you, you wouldn't really have time to consider every aspect about what you're facing. The homeowner was just an average Joe who happened to come home when a robbery was in progress. Studying the gun the robber had pointing at him may easily have cost him his life. He reacted to the situation and the bad guy didn't make it out alive. If he had been shot in the back on the front porch, I would feel much differently, but that's not the case here. If you had to make a split second decision that you KNEW would result in your life or death, what would you do?

That being said, this case is not about protecting one's home but more like one's own perceived "territory." I agree that this boy will be locked up. Whether or not he gets the help he needs remains to be seen. This case illustrates, once again, how utterly ill-equipped our courts are to handle such young offenders.

 

[Fairy1]

It sounds as if several people knew that the boy had previously threatened the mom and her 7 year old daughter and the boy told his cousin that he wanted to shoot her/them. If an adult knew this, immediated steps should have been taken to remove all weapons from the vicinity and attempts made to get the boy into either juvie or a children's mental/school hospital setting. If an adult made such threats it would be taken seriously. It's ridiculous that kids aren't taken seriously and don't get help. If the boy could have gotten removed from the situation two people might still be alive. If he is truly an incurable sociopath maybe he could have gone on to become a horrible boss to someone , a crooked politician, or just a thief someday instead of facing LWOP as a child murderer. There could even be underlying child onset mental illness that if treated, he still might have problems but not have murdered. But on the other hand, it's not easy to find a child psychiatrist or get anyone to even consider child mental illness much less get one hospitalized for evaluation unless they have the right insurance or enough money to pay cash. LE might not have taken the threat seriously either since nothing had happened yet.

Is this just a case of the "boys will be boys" mindset? Under the circumstances, if people in this child's life truly thought him to be threatening or possibly outright dangerous, why did NO ONE do anything or say anything?

 

[SuziQ]

He had a pellet gun - do they kill ? (genuine question not being a smart a$$)

I just think its wrong

He had a family too (maybe a mother that weeps for him - its not always the parents faults that the children go on the wrong path)

And I know he was a bad person, but he didnt deserve to me murdered in cold blood....wounded yes, locked up - yes - death....Sigh ....

I often look to myself and think, you are priveledged you have been protected , sheltered from these henious crimes, you do not know what you talk of, (although i do have *Some* things in my life) but then i look at someone like Rosco, who has had henious crimes committed against her family and she doesnt hold such thoughts - she even wrote in the DP Thread that she doesnt believe in it, an that was after her parents were murdered



This boy will go to jail, he will come out and he will reoffend. That sort of rage at the age of 11 is not going to leave him.....ever.....

What would you do if someone was holding a gun on you? Ask any law enforcement officer what they do if someone pulls a gun on them. If you have a gun pointed at you, you have to assume they are going to shoot you with it. The same goes for a perp whoes dumb enough to pull a pellet gun on someone. The other person will rightly assume it's a real gun. And actually yes, pellet guns have killed people. Especially at close range. They are one level below a 22. They have the same power but shoot a BB instead of a bullet. What's scary is they can be bought by anyone over 18 without a background check.

Below are some links to pics of pellet guns. They look like the real thing.

It also features a checkered grip and forearm and a velocity of up to 1,000 feet per second.

http://www.mcsports.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2674460&CAWELAID=103599510

http://www.airgundepot.com/popular-pellet-rifles.html


Pellets they shoot.

http://www.mcsports.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2674471

 

[Bobbisangel]

So what should be done for a child of 11 that kills somebody, just give up on him. Their is alot we don't know about this case.
MOO

According to relatives this boy had threatened the dad girlfriend and one of her daughters not long ago. He covered the gun with a blanket when he carried it from his room into the girlfriend's bedroom. LE found the blanket and said it wasn't thick enough to be used to silence the shot.

This case sounds pretty cut and dried. This boy didn't want a new brother. He was jealous of the coming baby and decided to get rid of the problems.
Right before the school bus came he got his gun...covered it with a blanket incase the daughter saw it...went to the bedroom and shot his dad's girlfriend in the head. The sheriff said the murder was premeditated and if this boy was older he would recommend the death penalty.

I can't even imagine how his dad must feel. He said that he didn't know the boy was so jealous. Maybe he just ignored the fact thinking he would get over it. I wonder if he knew the boy had threatened the girlfriend and her daughter?