PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

[Cassell]

I live near the Gas Station and Palmyra is a fairly good hike from here. I cant imagine her walking back for her car??

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Just thinking out loud:

Maybe Kortne went after TS again after CP passed out, and something accidental happened as a result. Maybe she was injured fatally or near fatally and TS knew he would take the rap for it, whether he was truly at fault or not. Maybe it was easier to disappear her than to explain himself to the cops.

 

[PalmyraDad]

Just thinking out loud:

Maybe Kortne went after TS again after CP passed out, and something accidental happened as a result. Maybe she was injured fatally or near fatally and TS knew he would take the rap for it, whether he was truly at fault or not. Maybe it was easier to disappear her than to explain himself to the cops.

My mind is going the same direction.

 

[AndreaBingham]

How many people here would bring a guy home from a bar, wait for him to pass out, and then go outside for any reason at 4 AM. . .leaving the drunken passed out guy asleep in your house? (Without letting him know where you were going?) As a woman, I am cautious about going outside by myself at 4 AM, never mind while leaving a drunk guy alone in my house.

She didn't go back to get her car. . .1) if her car was at The Gas Station, she would've had a ride downtown. 2) Cassell is right. KS's apartment is too far from The Gas Station to walk.

If the police thought any of the neighbors were involved, why aren't they interrogating and serving search warrants on them? I believe the police have evidence against MR and CP that they haven't released to us. . .and therefore, my suspicions remain firmly with MR and CP.

 

[epiphany]

- K's BF was in jail when K went missing.

- MR, Jr had been dropped off at his residence at about 2:00 AM. He wasn't even there when K went missing.

- JR & RS, the neighbors who live below K, did not disappear K.

- K did not disappear herself to start a new life, a renewed beginning, etc.

- A rogue LE officer did not snatch K up.

- The man whom K owed money to did not lure K out of her apartment, or lie in wait and then snatch her up and disappear K, or stealthily enter her apartment in order to have K pay off her debt one way or another.

- A local sex offender didn't happen by and snatch K up.

All, of course, IMO.

 

[sreshowtime]

I am wondering about the event that happened where the boyfriend was found in violation of parole. Did the gathering disperse then? Did any of the persons also go with Kortne, and were with her when she parked at this 'gas station'?
If this car was literally parked at A gas station, then how did she get to THE Gas Station pub, unless her car was close by?
Were any of those persons with , or in communication with Kortne later that night?

How the sam hill did her car get from 'gas station' to parked behind her apt with the keys in it?

 

[epiphany]

“We have given the police department anything and everything they have asked for,” said Sheetz [neighbor living below K], adding that other neighbors also have cooperated fully and allowed searches.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Don't know whether or not TS allowed search of his place/the duplex.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Old article:

POLICE: TEEN HAD
STOLEN RINGS
A teenager received two stolen rings and pawned them to a shop, police said.
Clifford Myers, 18, of Palmyra, received a gold wed- ding ring worth $300 and a gold engagement ring worth $450 and then pawned the items at the Palmyra Buy and Sell on Feb. 17, police said.
Myers was charged with receiving stolen property on March 4, police said.
The rings, owned by Todd Saksek, of Palmyra, were sent to be melted by the store and were never recovered, police said.
Myers also faces drug charges, police said.
During an investigation, Myers was charged with - session of drug paraphernalia, possession of marijuana and possession of liquor or malt or brewed beverages, police said.

http://myerstownherald.com/herald_032210.pdf

 

[epiphany]

Back to confusion about BF's dog also left behind, but may be irrelevant. Don't know.

Kortne also left behind her car, wallet, her dog and another dog that belonged to her boyfriend.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[epiphany]

Oh...Jo.

 

[cluciano63]

How many people here would bring a guy home from a bar, wait for him to pass out, and then go outside for any reason at 4 AM. . .leaving the drunken passed out guy asleep in your house? (Without letting him know where you were going?) As a woman, I am cautious about going outside by myself at 4 AM, never mind while leaving a drunk guy alone in my house.

She didn't go back to get her car. . .1) if her car was at The Gas Station, she would've had a ride downtown. 2) Cassell is right. KS's apartment is too far from The Gas Station to walk.

If the police thought any of the neighbors were involved, why aren't they interrogating and serving search warrants on them? I believe the police have evidence against MR and CP that they haven't released to us. . .and therefore, my suspicions remain firmly with MR and CP.

As far as her leaving someone in her house and going out...we don't know if she did, but she was hardly being cautious about much of anything on this night, it seems.

 

[JurysOut]

I wouldn't think so if he is 20. That's a legal adult in almost every way but one (drinking). At 18, a person is personally legally responsible for himself (in terms of felonies, being charged as an adult, etc.).

She could still be charged, he's still a minor. It's absurd, but that's the way it works


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[JurysOut]

Old article:

POLICE: TEEN HAD
STOLEN RINGS
A teenager received two stolen rings and pawned them to a shop, police said.
Clifford Myers, 18, of Palmyra, received a gold wed- ding ring worth $300 and a gold engagement ring worth $450 and then pawned the items at the Palmyra Buy and Sell on Feb. 17, police said.
Myers was charged with receiving stolen property on March 4, police said.
The rings, owned by Todd Saksek, of Palmyra, were sent to be melted by the store and were never recovered, police said.
Myers also faces drug charges, police said.
During an investigation, Myers was charged with - session of drug paraphernalia, possession of marijuana and possession of liquor or malt or brewed beverages, police said.

http://myerstownherald.com/herald_032210.pdf

I'd seen this too. I don't remember the date, though.


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[JurysOut]

- K's BF was in jail when K went missing.

- MR, Jr had been dropped off at his residence at about 2:00 AM. He wasn't even there when K went missing.

- JR & RS, the neighbors who live below K, did not disappear K.

- K did not disappear herself to start a new life, a renewed beginning, etc.

- A rogue LE officer did not snatch K up.

- The man whom K owed money to did not lure K out of her apartment, or lie in wait and then snatch her up and disappear K, or stealthily enter her apartment in order to have K pay off her debt one way or another.

- A local sex offender didn't happen by and snatch K up.

All, of course, IMO.

Agree. All indicators point in one direction IMO


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[JoCoKSEyes]

Here's another old one. Apparently, Saksek suffered a serious injury back in 2007.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=41

LIVES PUT ON HOLD // Painters deal with injuries after industrial lift accident

Date: February 1, 2008
Page: B01
Palmyra residents Scott Arnold and Todd Saksek were painting the walls of a warehouse in Carlisle on Dec. 19 when the hydraulic lift supporting them collapsed, sending them 30 feet to the ground.
Now, family and friends have set up benefit funds for the men through M&T Bank to help them cope with the financial difficulties that their injuries have caused.
Arnold, 33, broke his back and is paralyzed from the waist down.
He has some feeling in his legs, so...

 

[JurysOut]

My mind is going the same direction.

This seems entirely plausible. It seems like KS was not prepared to let it go.


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[JurysOut]

Here's another old one. Apparently, Saksek suffered a serious injury back in 2007.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=41

LIVES PUT ON HOLD // Painters deal with injuries after industrial lift accident

Date: February 1, 2008
Page: B01
Palmyra residents Scott Arnold and Todd Saksek were painting the walls of a warehouse in Carlisle on Dec. 19 when the hydraulic lift supporting them collapsed, sending them 30 feet to the ground.
Now, family and friends have set up benefit funds for the men through M&T Bank to help them cope with the financial difficulties that their injuries have caused.
Arnold, 33, broke his back and is paralyzed from the waist down.
He has some feeling in his legs, so...

Unrelated, anecdotal information.

I've undergone two extensive lumbar spine surgeries. I'm titanium from S1 through T2. I lead a normal life. Just sayin'


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[epiphany]

Agree. All indicators point in one direction IMO


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2 directions for me: MR, Jr was not there. Another returned to her apartment. This morning, introduces TS.

 

[PalmyraDad]

If this were a normal, quiet night, I would agree that Kortne probably would not have ventured outside alone but this was a rough day for her and seems like an even rougher night. Emotions were running high in the neighborhood and I know, as I'm sure we all do, when emotions run high we can say or do things we wouldn't normally do. Discretion and good judgment can quickly fly out the window. Add alcohol and the speed at which they fly can quickly increase. Did she go and confront the next door neighbor again? I'd say there's a pretty decent chance given the events leading up to the 4 a.m. police call. Having said that, I'm keeping an open mind to all theories and possibilities but I have been troubled since the beginning by that non-response by anyone at Kortne's or the neighbors' doors. I just can't get past that.

 

[SurfieTX]

For clarity:

There was a party, but then the *probation officer* showed up. Not the police. MSM has been very good about getting the police call logs/times. There are only 2 different calls for that address. They arrested BF.

Then, Kortne calls her brother and asks him if he wants to go out. He says no, so she goes ?with friends/to meet friends? and drops her car off at a 'gas station.'

She meets CP and MR at The Gas Station and she catches a ride to Harrisburg. She sees her friend at that other place (I forget the name now), and then she leaves *walking* to Hardware Bar. Another argument ensues between Kortne, a man and his girlfriend. CP, MR, and Kortne leave the bar and drive home. They drop off MR at his house taking his car to Kortne's.

They get home. She and CP "see" the neighbors on the 1st floor (doing what at 3 a.m.?). A fight ensues. CP steps in to break it up. The downstairs neighbors go to their apt. and call the police. The police come and break it up, calm everyone down.

Stomping is heard, and Saksek calls the police a second time. Police arrive and all is quiet, no one answers doors, and they leave.

Kortne goes missing...

On Saturday, July 28, just hours before she disappeared, there was a gathering at their second-floor apartment, and beer.
When a probation officer showed up, her boyfriend was arrested. He ended up spending about a week in prison, Lebanon County court records show.
According to Stouffer, his daughter believed the probation violation would trigger a long jail sentence. She became angry at her neighbors, who she thought called police about the party.

Later, she met friends and spent the evening at Harrisburg night spots.

Early Sunday morning, when she and a male friend returned to her apartment, they saw several neighbors in the first-floor apartment. Kortne vented her anger at them, her father said.

In an interview this week, Janice Riemenschneider and Rich Sheetz, who live in the apartment below Kortne’s, said they saw Kortne kick and swing at Todd Saksek, who lives in the other half of the duplex.

They said Kortne’s friend stepped between them. The neighbors said Kortne’s friend also made hostile remarks toward them. At that point, Riemenschneider and Sheetz said they closed their door and called police.

Police got the call shortly after 3 a.m. and stayed until almost 4, when everyone had returned to their apartments.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/kortne_stouffer_disappeared_am.html