PA - Lindsay Cassidy, 23, & Kolby O'Brien, 3, found strangled, Chester, 28 March 2008

[2XL]

I don't think she was scared of the area as I suspect she might have been scared of either what or who she would find (boyfriend theory), because there was one article that she actually went into the neighbors house to watch the news but LE would not tell her what was happening when they were on scene. I would not go into a strangers home in that area but that's just me. I agree to your point about LE referring to apartment as immaculate. Again I feel murder, why take the time to kill people using a method so difficult to trace and then leave something behind.
ALthough, as strange as this will sound, if I were ever to become a suicidal/homicidal person I would not want to be found in a sloppy home.
Sorry, upbringing thing, not being glib. The more I see on WS the more frightened I am of what people are actually capable of.

Blink it's funny you would say that about your house. I leave my house cleaned every morning cause I am afraid that if anything happened to me during the day and people had to come to my house, they would talk about me. Also, I was laughing the other day about if I came home and there was a break in, I'd be cleaning house before the police got there so they wouldn't think I was messy and in doing so I would probably destroy evidence!!! I really need to be less OCD.

 

[crypto6]

I believe radon affects are mostly cancer causing and birth defects, jmo

You're correct, since most radon is from nuclear decay of U 238 in soil, rock, etc, and exposure occurs over long time periods with low concentrations. I'm trying to think of any reason someone would have radon in sufficient concentration to cause acute radiation poisoning and can't come up with any except research. BTW, nice info at post #113.

Since the FD was measuring CO concentration in the air post mortem, someone may have used a CO-emitting heater which ran out of fuel, or which someone turned off or removed after the occupants were dead. Autopsy blood analysis should answer that question.

luthersmama: Premortem skin color may mute the bright red we associated with caucasian CO poisonings. Your point that something as obvious as marked skin changes would have been mentioned if present made me recheck what we have actually been told about the case and LE seems unusually stingy with details here.

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[Clearly Confused]

Interesting. I can't rule out another party being involved because leaving through that second floor window would be a breeze. IMO, they couldn't get in that way, but if they entered through the door then they should be on tape. If it was working and not a fake camera that is. Murder suicide is definitely possible. But why engage the chain and why clean up the crime scene and make sure there is no obvious evidence of a suicide? The window could have been opened if the heating system had one thermostat for the entire building. If your apartment gets too hot, your only option is to open a window...even in bad weather.

I was confused about the floors in the house. I watched the one of the videos and it seems from one side there are only two levels and from the other side there are three. I can now see how someone could get out the window. If you look and the one window where you go in..there is a little hangover that someone could have gotten down from.

 

[Blink34]

Interesting. I can't rule out another party being involved because leaving through that second floor window would be a breeze. IMO, they couldn't get in that way, but if they entered through the door then they should be on tape. If it was working and not a fake camera that is. Murder suicide is definitely possible. But why engage the chain and why clean up the crime scene and make sure there is no obvious evidence of a suicide? The window could have been opened if the heating system had one thermostat for the entire building. If your apartment gets too hot, your only option is to open a window...even in bad weather.

Doesnt it make you crazy that most reporter questions never even get to where we are?? Anyway, going back to the alias and the foster care issue, something is fishy here. I reviewed further the murder of a Dolores Bryant 50, W. Phila and her son, John Michael Bryant in July, 1985 by their neighbor Brett Reed (not prosecuted until 18 years later by a tip from an informant), dug up by filly, and I cannot find a death cert for JMB, although I found one for Dolores. In one article Bryant (young JMB) brother says his brother's nickname was junior- could have been his dad and gram? That's just too freaky - worth checking out any further?

 

[luthersmama]

luthersmama: Premortem skin color may mute the bright red we associated with caucasian CO poisonings. Your point that something as obvious as marked skin changes would have been mentioned if present made me recheck what we have actually been told about the case and LE seems unusually stingy with details here.

The photos in today's paper show a caucasian mom and baby. Don't know about the friends.

http://www.delcotimes.com/WebApp/ap...ntent=/DCT/Home/FeaturedArticle_Story_1827661

 

[Blink34]

Blink it's funny you would say that about your house. I leave my house cleaned every morning cause I am afraid that if anything happened to me during the day and people had to come to my house, they would talk about me. Also, I was laughing the other day about if I came home and there was a break in, I'd be cleaning house before the police got there so they wouldn't think I was messy and in doing so I would probably destroy evidence!!! I really need to be less OCD.

lol, needed that today, thanks

 

[SuziQ]

That's just too freaky - worth checking out any further?

Well it seems false ID's was up Michaels alley. Why not lift the ID of a dead person aka John Bryant? So you'd have to ask...who was Michael really?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well it seems false ID's was up Michaels alley. Why not lift the ID of a dead person aka John Bryant? So you'd have to ask...who was Michael really?

Good point. Do they really know who he is?

 

[Clearly Confused]

Good point. Do they really know who he is?

His brother said they were from a Christians family..that's about all I know. I am interested in they were both adopted.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I just can't wrap my head around this being anything except an accidental Carbon Monoxide poisoning. If there was a window slightly open, it would account for the FD not finding lethal levels of CO in the apartment at the time they arrived.

The landlord (or could be a slumlord) would be the only person to tamper with such a scene and benefit from it. He could be charged with possible negligence if it was due to their heating system etc.

 

[Blink34]

His brother said they were from a Christians family..that's about all I know. I am interested in they were both adopted.

Bam, the John Michael Bryant murdered in July 1985 was a sidewalk preacher...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmmm...now that is news! Thanks, Blink!

 

[Blink34]

I just can't wrap my head around this being anything except an accidental Carbon Monoxide poisoning. If there was a window slightly open, it would account for the FD not finding lethal levels of CO in the apartment at the time they arrived.

The landlord (or could be a slumlord) would be the only person to tamper with such a scene and benefit from it. He could be charged with possible negligence if it was due to their heating system etc.

The tox levels of CO would at least be determinable by regular testing for a few of the vics. From what I read there is no gas in the apt.
I think the F&R ruled it out immediately, I think the only reason the coroner has not is because he still does not have all the answers and they do not like to give a partial report.

 

[Clearly Confused]

Bam, the John Michael Bryant murdered in July 1985 was a sidewalk preacher...

I'm still trying to find info on this murder. I only saw the post Filly posted.

 

[Clearly Confused]

I just can't wrap my head around this being anything except an accidental Carbon Monoxide poisoning. If there was a window slightly open, it would account for the FD not finding lethal levels of CO in the apartment at the time they arrived.

The landlord (or could be a slumlord) would be the only person to tamper with such a scene and benefit from it. He could be charged with possible negligence if it was due to their heating system etc.

Chester is slumlord heaven but I don't think this was one of them. The news stated the apt was recentley remolded or updated.

 

[Blink34]

I'm still trying to find info on this murder. I only saw the post Filly posted.

I did an archive search and I did a doc look up for the killer Brett Reed.
It's not letting me in right now:furious:

 

[shadowraiths]

This case (sort of) reminds me of the Garden Grove case from a couple of years ago. While that one involved quite obvious visible signs of trauma, LE was stumped at first as well. (click here) It eventually came out that one of the murder victims, Phuong Hung Le, had just been released from prison and wore a gang tatoo. (black tear drop) Based upon that, along with the sparse info that was published at the time, I suspected it involved money (hence, my naming of the aforementioned article, "Dead Money"). As it turned out Le had met Quan while in prison and, in fact, owed him money. (click here)

As for this case? I am wondering if it may be a similar type situation. From reports, Cassidy only recently ran into Fynes a couple of weeks ago, and let them move in bc Fynes & Bryant were allegedly homeless. Bryant was 28 years old. This leads me to wonder if their homelessness had more to do with someone they were attempting to avoid, than say, just being down on their luck and needing a temporary place to stay. For example, did they rip someone off and now were attempting to hide?

Also, although murder-suicide is possible, the unlocked/open window and chained door, seems quite odd. Add to that, each victim being found in a different room... Imho, if murdered, this suggests there was more than one killer involved. Then again, they could have been chaining the door simply due to the dangerousness of the neighborhood.

In which case, I am inclined to think it was some sort of accidental poisoning. Not that murder-suicide is out of the question. Just that, from reports, as well as the lack of trauma, it doesn't really seem to fit.

 

[Blink34]

This case (sort of) reminds me of the Garden Grove case from a couple of years ago. While that one involved quite obvious visible signs of trauma, LE was stumped at first as well. (click here) It eventually came out that one of the murder victims, Phuong Hung Le, had just been released from prison and wore a gang tatoo. (black tear drop) Based upon that, along with the sparse info that was published at the time, I suspected it involved money (hence, my naming of the aforementioned article, "Dead Money"). As it turned out Le had met Quan while in prison and, in fact, owed him money. (click here)

As for this case? I am wondering if it may be a similar type situation. From reports, Cassidy only recently ran into Fynes a couple of weeks ago, and let them move in bc Fynes & Bryant were allegedly homeless. Bryant was 28 years old. This leads me to wonder if their homelessness had more to do with someone they were attempting to avoid, than say, just being down on their luck and needing a temporary place to stay. For example, did they rip someone off and now were attempting to hide?

Also, although murder-suicide is possible, the unlocked/open window and chained door, seems quite odd. Add to that, each victim being found in a different room... Imho, if murdered, this suggests there was more than one killer involved. Then again, they could have been chaining the door simply due to the dangerousness of the neighborhood.

In which case, I am inclined to think it was some sort of accidental poisoning. Not that murder-suicide is out of the question. Just that, from reports, as well as the lack of trauma, it doesn't really seem to fit.

Hi SR- we convered same theories earlier, but I think the prison connection/retribution angle is interesting.

 

[ttrachel04]

nothing that happens in Chester surprises me anymore !!!!

 

[Clearly Confused]

nothing that happens in Chester surprises me anymore !!!!

Normaly it wouldn't surprise me either except for the baby. Why kill a baby? Could the couple have been babysitting and one of them either wasn't watching him and he had an accident or one of them hurt him? After Mom comes home she is killed and then they do themselves in? Oh I need an asprin.

Nothing new on the news about this either. I am thinking we are not going to hear anything until the tox reports come back.