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[Holdontoyourhat]

still too young to get married.lol.now really,if this intruder couldn't even wait till he was out the door to be w. her,why on earth would he want a child if he was really looking for someone older? In that case I think he would have went for a 17 yo instead.
And if his plans for her were long-range,I doubt he would have lingered in the house.He'd have got her out of there,asap.

I read that some Asian sex slaves start before they're 10.

Lingering in the house had to do with pineapple, tape and blanket, I think.

 

[UKGuy]

I don't know,but my bet would be on Smit.JR had to have some material for DOI.He either thought it up or got it from somewhere.Just like the stun gun nonsense,which was Smit's idea.(which JR also used in the book).But the first I heard of it was when he wrote it in DOI.

But neither Smit nor JR ever address the issue of the too large underwear.Nor do they address that lone piece of tape on her mouth,which apparently was pretty flimsy at best.
But I don't think an intruder would bring tape w. him at all...not inside an occupied residence when the residents were asleep...tape makes a noise when it's torn..(unless he counted on finding scissors within the home..pls tell me he did that...lol).Plus hair and fibers can stick to it,and it can get twisted and sticky in the process of trying to put it on someone..esp. if she were to wake up and fight it.I think an intruder would have brought a cloth gag along.Something large enough to go through her mouth and around her head.It's the only thing that makes any sense.

JMO8778,
Some intruders do carry tape, and cord etc, they could be burglars or pedophiles, cases of both types exist where children have been abducted and sexually assaulted.

Also:

J. RAMSEY: And this garrote will be a clue. This was not an
amateur device. This was a professional strangling tool. Somebody
knows who did that.....The garrote is such a key clue. This was a
complex... (LKL, March 27, 2000)

Thats nearly four years too old.

 

[DeeDee249]

THere's no doubt they had some inside info. After all, they knew JR's name and claimed to know his business enough to respect it. You can't refute the AAGW theory simply by saying JBR didn't have international exposure. BTW I don't know who goes to kiddie pageants.

Of course they had this "inside information" on JR. "They" were married to him.

 

[BBB167893]

Good, you check it out. Because tape placed on a living JBR changes the motive and might change the perception of what was staging and what was not.

Granted. You'll be glad to know I did find something:

"There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenet had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth.

I figured RDI had good reason to believe the tape was just placed over JBR's mouth after she died, but apparently there isn't one.

So far, that's good enough for me.

JR removing the tape and leaving it in the basement subtracts from its value as a staging prop. I mean, if it were staged, I rather doubt JR would disturb the staging himself. Fewer people would appreciate the tape if it were removed and left on the floor. Besides, removing the tape is consistent with a desire to revive JBR, so JR's actions once again are consistent with IDI, not RDI.

Well, that's assuming that JR was in on it. But let's say he was. Don't forget one thing: he wasn't alone when he did all that. Fleet White was with him. What better than a witness to say exactly what you just said?

No evidence of any domestic dispute that night. No broken glass, no witness testimony, no neighbor testomony, etc.

If memory serves, did not one of the neighbors notice odd lights on that night?

If I wanted admirers, I'd post on crimelibrary.com. You know, the website that maintains the JBR case in an unbiased and informative way.

You must be talking about a different site, Holdon. The Taliban were more hospitable to differing opinions.

 

[Ames]

If I recall correctly, John referred to the garotte as a "professional" garotte. To me, it appeared to be quite an amatuer devise. But, I don't know a thing about garottes. John must if he can apply the word "professional" to describe it.
jmo

And he also referred to it as a "twister"...IMO he knows a whole lot about garottes.

 

[Ames]

I read that some Asian sex slaves start before they're 10.

Lingering in the house had to do with pineapple, tape and blanket, I think.

So you think that JB is going to sit at a table with a member of the small foreign faction...and eat pineapple? Come on now...give me a break...she would have been screaming her head off.

Muhammed: "Now little girl, I am a member of a small foreign faction that has broken into your home. But, don't be scare, okay? Because I am going to take you downstairs to the kitchen and I will give you some pineapple. I found some in the fridge earlier, while I was waiting for you and your family to come home from the party."

JonBenét: "OKAY! I love pineapple"

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

So you think that JB is going to sit at a table with a member of the small foreign faction...and eat pineapple? Come on now...give me a break...she would have been screaming her head off.

Muhammed: "Now little girl, I am a member of a small foreign faction that has broken into your home. But, don't be scare, okay? Because I am going to take you downstairs to the kitchen and I will give you some pineapple. I found some in the fridge earlier, while I was waiting for you and your family to come home from the party."

JonBenét: "OKAY! I love pineapple"

You're hallucination doesn't really express any idea I ever had. I thought that intruders may have brought pineapple from the kitchen to the basement. Do you really think that intruders would hang out in the kitchen with the parents sleeping upstairs, and eat pineapple with JBR?? Thats a joke.

So you're just amusing yourself with your own ideas.

 

[Ames]

You're hallucination doesn't really express any idea I ever had. I thought that intruders may have brought pineapple from the kitchen to the basement. Do you really think that intruders would hang out in the kitchen with the parents sleeping upstairs, and eat pineapple with JBR?? Thats a joke.

So you're just amusing yourself with your own ideas.

NOPE...I think that Patsy got out that bowl of pineapple from the fridge, for JB to eat.

The pineapple bowl and tea glass were found ON THE KITCHEN TABLE...not in the basement. How sweet of the intruders to take the time to bring the bowl back to the kitchen and place it on the table. I am shocked that they didn't put it in the dishwasher.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenet had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth.

So far, that's good enough for me.

I would doubt your source, as tape cannot on its own show 'resistance'. Resistance is not a property of duct tape. Elongation or deformation is. If your source meant elongation or deformation, then lack thereof only suggests that when the tape was placed over JBR's mouth, she did not resist, not that she was necessarily dead. So its a grand assumption to go from vinyl duct tape with a perfect set of lip prints, to a victim who was not alive.

It also defies reason, as RDI tends to do, because tape over the mouth is much more commonly used by criminals to quiet a potentially screaming victim.

If you want to claim staging again, then what were the R's attempting to stage?

 

[DeeDee249]

But the pineapple was found in the dining room, right off the kitchen. That would mean it was returned there. No evidence was ever found of additional pineapple bowls. There were two places where pineapple was found- in JBR's stomach and matching pineapple in the R's bowl on the Rs table with ONLY an R's fingerprints on it.
I just can't see JBR eating pineapple in the basement with an intruder any more than she'd eat it in the kitchen. Less so, in fact. And what would be the purpose of that anyway? There were NO drugs found in her system. She was NOT drugged, with pineapple or any other way.
These "intruders" were far too comfortable moving around the house with parents and a sibling sleeping. And how would an intruder be sure they were sleeping? What if they still awake? Handling dishes and bowls and spoons is noisy. Feeding a child who does not know you and is likely to be afraid could result in her screaming/crying.
The pineapple points to the parents. The LYING about her having been given pineapple points to the parents.

 

[Ames]

But the pineapple was found in the dining room, right off the kitchen. That would mean it was returned there. No evidence was ever found of additional pineapple bowls. There were two places where pineapple was found- in JBR's stomach and matching pineapple in the R's bowl on the Rs table with ONLY an R's fingerprints on it.
I just can't see JBR eating pineapple in the basement with an intruder any more than she'd eat it in the kitchen. Less so, in fact. And what would be the purpose of that anyway? There were NO drugs found in her system. She was NOT drugged, with pineapple or any other way.
These "intruders" were far too comfortable moving around the house with parents and a sibling sleeping. And how would an intruder be sure they were sleeping? What if they still awake? Handling dishes and bowls and spoons is noisy. Feeding a child who does not know you and is likely to be afraid could result in her screaming/crying.
The pineapple points to the parents. The LYING about her having been given pineapple points to the parents.

Exactly, read my post 368. Like an intruder is going to snoop around the kitchen, find a bowl of pineapple and take it to the BASEMENT and feed it to JB. Now how did they know that she even LIKED pineapple..most kids don't. And then they are going to take the time to bring the bowl BACK to the dining room table...where it was later found? Yeah, like THAT happened. An intruder that breaks into someone's home with the intent of kidnapping or killing a child, is going to leave the bowl in the basement...not take the time to bring it back and place it on the table. WOW..those intruders were so polite...they placed the pen back in the holder, after writing the RN..and then brought the pineapple bowl back upstairs to the dining room and placed it on the table.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Exactly, read my post 368. Like an intruder is going to snoop around the kitchen, find a bowl of pineapple and take it to the BASEMENT and feed it to JB. Now how did they know that she even LIKED pineapple..most kids don't. And then they are going to take the time to bring the bowl BACK to the dining room table...where it was later found? Yeah, like THAT happened. An intruder that breaks into someone's home with the intent of kidnapping or killing a child, is going to leave the bowl in the basement...not take the time to bring it back and place it on the table. WOW..those intruders were so polite...they placed the pen back in the holder, after writing the RN..and then brought the pineapple bowl back upstairs to the dining room and placed it on the table.

Good point.

 

[JMO8778]

Exactly, read my post 368. Like an intruder is going to snoop around the kitchen, find a bowl of pineapple and take it to the BASEMENT and feed it to JB. Now how did they know that she even LIKED pineapple..most kids don't. And then they are going to take the time to bring the bowl BACK to the dining room table...where it was later found? Yeah, like THAT happened. An intruder that breaks into someone's home with the intent of kidnapping or killing a child, is going to leave the bowl in the basement...not take the time to bring it back and place it on the table. WOW..those intruders were so polite...they placed the pen back in the holder, after writing the RN..and then brought the pineapple bowl back upstairs to the dining room and placed it on the table.

and blocked off the room they 'exited' through by putting a chair in front of the door.wow.quite some feat.

 

[JMO8778]

So you think that JB is going to sit at a table with a member of the small foreign faction...and eat pineapple? Come on now...give me a break...she would have been screaming her head off.

Muhammed: "Now little girl, I am a member of a small foreign faction that has broken into your home. But, don't be scare, okay? Because I am going to take you downstairs to the kitchen and I will give you some pineapple. I found some in the fridge earlier, while I was waiting for you and your family to come home from the party."

JonBenét: "OKAY! I love pineapple"

and JR himself said she was 'zonked'.having been up since early in the day,she would have been difficult to awaken,likely irritable,and uncooperative.which are probably all the things that set a tired Patsy off into a rage.
and it's extremely doubtful she'd be awake enough to eat.that's just ridiculous.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

and JR himself said she was 'zonked'.having been up since early in the day,she would have been difficult to awaken,likely irritable,and uncooperative.which are probably all the things that set a tired Patsy off into a rage.
and it's extremely doubtful she'd be awake enough to eat.that's just ridiculous.

Oh yeah, the quiet, invisible rage that nobody saw or heard.

 

[Blondieskatz]

Hold,
People are quite different behind closed doors. Patsy could've been very angry and could've flew into rages all the time. The rest of the family wouldn't have said anything because this would have been private family business. So you cannot assume that it was a quiet, invisible rage that nobody saw or heard.

 

[JMO8778]

Hold,
People are quite different behind closed doors. Patsy could've been very angry and could've flew into rages all the time. The rest of the family wouldn't have said anything because this would have been private family business. So you cannot assume that it was a quiet, invisible rage that nobody saw or heard.

that's the truth;I know,I've seen it.It goes way beyond what would be considered just being two-faced.
But I was mainly talking about JB and being tired...if she was so deeply asleep,it's doubtful she would have been cooperative enough to wake up and go eat pineapple..with anybody,for that matter.When kids are out like a light like that,they just don't wake up till the next morning.

 

[Ames]

Good point.

Your quote above is a reply to this, from me.


" WOW..those intruders were so polite...they placed the pen back in the holder, after writing the RN..and then brought the pineapple bowl back upstairs to the dining room and placed it on the table."

You can not seriously believe that an intruder that was a member of a small foreign faction, that was hellbent on kidnapping JB, or killing her...whichever they were in the mood for at the time....placed the pen back into the holder, after using it to write the RN, and found a bowl full of pineapple in the fridge (or did they find it in the cabinet, in a can...and used a can opener to open it with, dug out a bowl and spoon...all because they wanted to feed JB pineapple for some unknown reason?)....took it took the basement, and then...so graciously...brought the bowl back upstairs and sat it on the table? Why the cr@p would they do THAT? They would have left it in the basement, not taken EVEN MORE precious time to bring the bowl back upstairs to the dining room table. I suppose that they fixed themself a glass of tea, and took it down to the basement to drink it, too...huh? I guess that the kdinappers and JB just had themselves quite the teaparty...right there in the basement. And JB just went along with them..."Gee, thanks for the pineapple. Its my favorite...how did YOU know?"

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Your quote above is a reply to this, from me.


" WOW..those intruders were so polite...they placed the pen back in the holder, after writing the RN..and then brought the pineapple bowl back upstairs to the dining room and placed it on the table."

You can not seriously believe that an intruder that was a member of a small foreign faction, that was hellbent on kidnapping JB, or killing her...whichever they were in the mood for at the time....placed the pen back into the holder, after using it to write the RN, and found a bowl full of pineapple in the fridge (or did they find it in the cabinet, in a can...and used a can opener to open it with, dug out a bowl and spoon...all because they wanted to feed JB pineapple for some unknown reason?)....took it took the basement, and then...so graciously...brought the bowl back upstairs and sat it on the table? Why the cr@p would they do THAT? They would have left it in the basement, not taken EVEN MORE precious time to bring the bowl back upstairs to the dining room table. I suppose that they fixed themself a glass of tea, and took it down to the basement to drink it, too...huh? I guess that the kdinappers and JB just had themselves quite the teaparty...right there in the basement. And JB just went along with them..."Gee, thanks for the pineapple. Its my favorite...how did YOU know?"

What went on in the basement probably wasn't a teaparty, but I would go so far as to say that the gracious, polite things you describe CAN BE MATCHED to the odd, more formal than usual ransom note: Dear. Mr. Ramsey, get plenty of rest, take an adequate size attache, etc.

 

[DeeDee249]

Why do we bother?