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[JMO8778]

What went on in the basement probably wasn't a teaparty, but I would go so far as to say that the gracious, polite things you describe CAN BE MATCHED to the odd, more formal than usual ransom note: Dear. Mr. Ramsey, get plenty of rest, take an adequate size attache, etc.

..just Patsy's feminine style coming through in the note,that's all.

 

[DeeDee249]

..just Patsy's feminine style coming through in the note,that's all.

Yep- PR's "good old-fashioned Southern sensibilities".

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I thought JR wasn't from the south. Why did the RN author ask JR to 'use that good southern common sense' when he aint got none?

 

[DeeDee249]

I thought JR wasn't from the south. Why did the RN author ask JR to 'use that good southern common sense' when he aint got none?

He wasn't. But the AUTHOR of the note was from the South- PR!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

He wasn't. But the AUTHOR of the note was from the South- PR!

But the author wasn't the reader, IOW PR didn't address the RN to Mrs. Ramsey. So why would she ask JR to use his southern common sense, when she already knew he doesn't have any?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hold,
People are quite different behind closed doors. Patsy could've been very angry and could've flew into rages all the time. The rest of the family wouldn't have said anything because this would have been private family business. So you cannot assume that it was a quiet, invisible rage that nobody saw or heard.

I think if you're gonna use the rage argument, you're gonna need some priors on PR's part, otherwise it appears too much like baseless, idle speculation on your part. And you can't base a rage argument on the murder itself, because that is circular reasoning, a flawed logic.

Was there any marriage counseling or domestic disputes the neighbors knew about? Was anything showing up at school or at the doctors? Nothing?

 

[DeeDee249]

But the author wasn't the reader, IOW PR didn't address the RN to Mrs. Ramsey. So why would she ask JR to use his southern common sense, when she already knew he doesn't have any?

You're joking, right?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You mean PR faked a foreign faction and then deliberately gave the foreign faction the appearance of being wrong about JR having southern common sense? While being right about his bonus? Now theres a feat. I would've never dreamed that in a million years.

 

[Ames]

What went on in the basement probably wasn't a teaparty, but I would go so far as to say that the gracious, polite things you describe CAN BE MATCHED to the odd, more formal than usual ransom note: Dear. Mr. Ramsey, get plenty of rest, take an adequate size attache, etc.

My point is...what we have here...according to you...is a member of a self described...small foreign faction. He (or she) traveled all the way from some foreign, unknown country to break into the home of a six year old girl to kidnap and/or kill her. They sit down and write a helluva RN...almost three pages long. Sure they start out with Dear Mr. Ramsey..and go on to say get plenty of rest, and to take an adequate sized attache...but, then they go on to say that if the Rams talk to so much as a dog, that their daughter would be beheaded. Yeah, they sound real "polite" alright. And you think that this person, made up..or found..a bowl of pineapple (how did they know that JB liked pineapple, huh?) and took it down to the basement for her to snack on and then they brought the bowl back up and placed it on the dining room table. Why in the world would they feed JB pineapple? Do you honestly believe that she is just going to sit or stand there in the basement with a total stranger and snack on pineapple? For you to believe that is....well...unbelievable, just ridiculous. She is going to be screaming her little head off...not chowing down on pineapple chunks. This person is a total stranger to her...not only a stranger...but a FOREIGN stranger. JB eating pineapple with a total stranger in the basement, is just as ridiculous as her sitting at the kitchen table with them. There is no way that would have happened. You obviously do not have kids...or have never had a six year old daughter...because if you had, you would know that there would be no way that JB would have sat and had a snack with a total stranger that broke into her home, and took her to the basement.

 

[Ames]

Why do we bother?

I don't know...good question. I am tired of wasting my typing skills...we are just spinning our wheels, going over the same stuff, over and over and over again.

 

[Ames]

..just Patsy's feminine style coming through in the note,that's all.

Exactly! Even John said that it appeared to him that a woman could have written it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

My point is...what we have here...according to you...is a member of a self described...small foreign faction. He (or she) traveled all the way from some foreign, unknown country to break into the home of a six year old girl to kidnap and/or kill her. They sit down and write a helluva RN...almost three pages long. Sure they start out with Dear Mr. Ramsey..and go on to say get plenty of rest, and to take an adequate sized attache...but, then they go on to say that if the Rams talk to so much as a dog, that their daughter would be beheaded. Yeah, they sound real "polite" alright. And you think that this person, made up..or found..a bowl of pineapple (how did they know that JB liked pineapple, huh?) and took it down to the basement for her to snack on and then they brought the bowl back up and placed it on the dining room table. Why in the world would they feed JB pineapple? Do you honestly believe that she is just going to sit or stand there in the basement with a total stranger and snack on pineapple? For you to believe that is....well...unbelievable, just ridiculous. She is going to be screaming her little head off...not chowing down on pineapple chunks. This person is a total stranger to her...not only a stranger...but a FOREIGN stranger. JB eating pineapple with a total stranger in the basement, is just as ridiculous as her sitting at the kitchen table with them. There is no way that would have happened. You obviously do not have kids...or have never had a six year old daughter...because if you had, you would know that there would be no way that JB would have sat and had a snack with a total stranger that broke into her home, and took her to the basement.

Again, these are your ideas, not mine. Its better when you don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Ames]

I thought JR wasn't from the south. Why did the RN author ask JR to 'use that good southern common sense' when he aint got none?

He was born in Lincoln, Nebraska...that is not exactly Northern. What was it supposed to say...."Use that good middle america sense"?

 

[Ames]

Again, these are your ideas, not mine. Its better when you don't put words in my mouth.

No dear, you are the one that orginally said that JB was fed pineapple in the basement, and that the bowl was brought back up to the dining room table. Do I need to find that quote from you and post it??

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

He was born in Lincoln, Nebraska...that is not exactly Northern. What was it supposed to say...."Use that good middle america sense"?

Why would PR even raise the issue of 'southern' when she knows JR isn't a 'southerner'? Did she want the RN author to appear wrong about JR's roots but right about his bonus?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No dear, you are the one that orginally said that JB was fed pineapple in the basement, and that the bowl was brought back up to the dining room table. Do I need to find that quote from you and post it??

If you want to characterize the pineapple in JBR's stomach as the result of 'snacking' and 'chowing down' with strangers during a 'teaparty' in the basement, go ahead.

 

[Ames]

But the author wasn't the reader, IOW PR didn't address the RN to Mrs. Ramsey. So why would she ask JR to use his southern common sense, when she already knew he doesn't have any?

"Use that good Northern sense of yours"..."use that good Western sense of yours"...use that good Eastern sense of yours"...sounds kinda funny. I thought it was weird that a member of a SFF would even have a clue where John was from, anyway. Why would a member of a SFF not have said..."use that good common sense of yours"...why did it have to be good SOUTHERN common sense? Because...Patsy is from the south, that's why...and obviously proud of it.

 

[Ames]

If you want to characterize the pineapple in JBR's stomach as the result of 'snacking' and 'chowing down' with strangers during a teaparty in the basement, go ahead.

No, I know that you didn't say "snacking" or "chowing down"....those were my words. You DID say, however...that you believe that she was fed pineapple, by a member of the SFF, in the basement...and that the bowl was brought back up and placed on the dining room table...BY THEM.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"Use that good Northern sense of yours"..."use that good Western sense of yours"...use that good Eastern sense of yours"...sounds kinda funny. I thought it was weird that a member of a SFF would even have a clue where John was from, anyway. Why would a member of a SFF not have said..."use that good common sense of yours"...why did it have to be good SOUTHERN common sense? Because...Patsy is from the south, that's why...and obviously proud of it.

Why wouldn't PR have omitted 'southern'. She knew JR's not 'southern' why would she bring it up? That just makes her ficticious foreign faction look wrong.

 

[Ames]

Why would PR even raise the issue of 'southern' when she knows JR isn't a 'southerner'? Did she want the RN author to appear wrong about JR's roots but right about his bonus?

Possibly. Like I said before...how would a member of a SFF know where John was from anyway...and why would they care??

I am sure that while "they" were sitting around plotting this whole thing...that they didn't say.."well, gee...here we are tallking about kidnapping John Ramsey's daughter, and we don't even know where he is from. That's a shame...we really need to check that out". No, members of a SFF would NOT know where he was from, nor would they care. Now, on the other hand...if someone OTHER than a member of a SFF wrote the RN, and wanted it to appear that they did, then they would throw stuff in like "use that good southern common sense of yours"...to make it look like the member of the SFF knew some things about John and THOUGHT that John was from the south.