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[Blondieskatz]

How do you know this? Or is this just another assumption? RDI is riddled with assumptions just like this, including the assumption PR owned the tape AND the cord, when there's no evidence they owned either the tape OR the cord. Very important missing evidence for RDI, that would naturally be missing evidence if an intruder brought the tape and cord. See what I mean?

I don't know that he sat down at the table and wrote the note....who knows where he/she actually wrote the note. But, you can bet it was written inside of that house.

And, you ask which theory. Why would you have more than one? Just give us the most believeable one you have that makes sense according to what evidence is available.

 

[UKGuy]

I don't know that he sat down at the table and wrote the note....who knows where he/she actually wrote the note. But, you can bet it was written inside of that house.

And, you ask which theory. Why would you have more than one? Just give us the most believeable one you have that makes sense according to what evidence is available.

Blondieskatz,
Holdontoyourhat doesnt have a theory he simply criticizes the RDI theories, and promotes Lou Smits ridiculous IDI theory as an alternative!


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[JMO8778]

Amen to that,UK.He won't even consider the RN as a ruse from one or both of the parents.Any evidence that points to them,he tries to turn it around,esp. the hard evidence-fibers,pineapple,etc.And he won't address the too large underwear at all.

 

[JMO8778]

DeeDee249,

The lack of a lip imprint on the tape, and fibers found on the underside make it highly probable it was placed on her mouth post-mortem.

Also a tan fluid, probably a mixture of blood and mucous, seeped from JonBenet's nose and/or mouth, some of this fluid is recorded as staining her white-gap top, but none is seen on the tape!

It may have been this aspect that Fleet White went back to take a look at, finding her body in such an obscure part of the house along with the tape must have been a big red flag for him?

indeed,the tape was a confusion for him,poor Fleet,and in the days that followed,the R's behavior only strengthened his suspicion of them.

 

[Blondieskatz]

Blondieskatz,
Holdontoyourhat doesnt have a theory he simply criticizes the RDI theories, and promotes Lou Smits ridiculous IDI theory as an alternative!


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Well, he is quick to discount so much of the RDI theories. I figure he must have some reasonable explantion of what he thinks went on. Pineapple, ransom note, tape, blankets? Something?

 

[Blondieskatz]

indeed,the tape was a confusion for him,poor Fleet,and in the days that followed,the R's behavior only strengthened his suspicion of them.

Defintely something about that tape that FW felt was strange. Sure wish we knew what it was! If you think about the split seconds in the moment it was something very obvious.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,

The lack of a lip imprint on the tape, and fibers found on the underside make it highly probable it was placed on her mouth post-mortem.

Also a tan fluid, probably a mixture of blood and mucous, seeped from JonBenet's nose and/or mouth, some of this fluid is recorded as staining her white-gap top, but none is seen on the tape!

It may have been this aspect that Fleet White went back to take a look at, finding her body in such an obscure part of the house along with the tape must have been a big red flag for him?

There WAS a set of lip prints on the tape. Described as "a perfect set of child's lip prints".

 

[UKGuy]

There WAS a set of lip prints on the tape. Described as "a perfect set of child's lip prints".

DeeDee249,
Thanks for pointing this out. Yikes a boo boo, posting from memory, bad bad. Yes it was the fact they were perfect implying JonBenet was dead when it was applied, since an alive JonBenet would have struggled, and left a mangled lip impression?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well, he is quick to discount so much of the RDI theories. I figure he must have some reasonable explantion of what he thinks went on. Pineapple, ransom note, tape, blankets? Something?

There is no such thing as a reasonable IDI explanation, according to the BORG.

What I think went on, is JBR was target for a kidnap, but the kidnap was botched or aborted, and she was instead murdered. The intruders came mentally and physically prepared to both kidnap and murder JBR. The former didn't work out because of some unknown factor, so the latter was chosen to prevent JBR from ever identifying her attackers.

I don't think the kidnap was for money.

 

[icedtea4me]

There is no such thing as a reasonable IDI explanation, according to the BORG.

What I think went on, is JBR was target for a kidnap, but the kidnap was botched or aborted, and she was instead murdered. The intruders came mentally and physically prepared to both kidnap and murder JBR. The former didn't work out because of some unknown factor, so the latter was chosen to prevent JBR from ever identifying her attackers.

I don't think the kidnap was for money.

And this could have been done by covering her eyes in the first place.


-Tea

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
Thanks for pointing this out. Yikes a boo boo, posting from memory, bad bad. Yes it was the fact they were perfect implying JonBenet was dead when it was applied, since an alive JonBenet would have struggled, and left a mangled lip impression?

She may not have been dead; she could have been unconscious. But, yes, any one, child or adult, would struggle under a duct-taped mouth if conscious. And that would be evident when the tape was examined.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And this could have been done by covering her eyes in the first place.


-Tea

Thats just ridiculous. Did intruders ask JBR nicely to hold still while they cover her eyes?

 

[icedtea4me]

She may not have been dead; she could have been unconscious. But, yes, any one, child or adult, would struggle under a duct-taped mouth if conscious. And that would be evident when the tape was examined.

Precisely, DeeDee249. There would have been proof of lip and tongue movement on that piece of tape.


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

Thats just ridiculous. Did intruders ask JBR nicely to hold still while they cover her eyes?

No, Pythagorus. They would just simply do it by throwing a cover or a dark pillowcase over her head as her arms were restrained.


-Tea

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, Pythagorus. They would just simply do it by throwing a cover or a dark pillowcase over her head as her arms were restrained.


-Tea

You can't be serious. Wouldn't JBR be free to scream?

 

[JMO8778]

You can't be serious. Wouldn't JBR be free to scream?

good point,yes,she would most certainly have been free to scream w/ that lousy piece of tape over her mouth...I recall reading it was said to only be 3/4 inch wide...no wonder FW was bewildered !
I also believe,like many others,that it was used previously..and that's why there was no other tape found.
BUT...that leads to a point..a KN would most certainly bind and GAG his victim,right off the bat,using a cloth or something more reliable than a single piece of tape..if tape then he would have used 1/2 a roll or so (if not even the whole roll,to be sure she was gagged enough so as not to be heard,since kids can scream loudly!),going through her mouth and AROUND her head,not just over her mouth.One small piece of tape is laughable,just laughable.It is so obviously nothing more than STAGING.

 

[JMO8778]

And as far as her hands go,they would have been bound in front or in back of her,not over her head.(which was done after rigor set in).Now pls don't tell me they were and she got loose...a KN would have had her wrists completely bound with rope,many times over,not just once over each wrist with nothing more than that shoestring-like cord. <insert rolling eyes symbol here>.
And after being gagged and bound,a KN would have gotten her out of that house,ASAP! (via the door right there !) He would have executed a plan that had already been made.It is just that simple.A KN wants it to be that way.Get in,get out.Your scenario involves nothing short of the 3 stooges who can't get even get their act together enough to get a 45 pd child out of a door that was right there,not to mention,can't even properly bind or gag their victim.Oh please,get real !

And the 'foreigners' fail to write a note convincing enough to appear written by a foreigner.
Where are all the experts who say it was written by a foreigner??? No one would be that dumb.They know just how stupid it would make them appear.

 

[icedtea4me]

Your scenario involves nothing short of the 3 stooges who can't get even get their act together enough to get a 45 pd child out of a door that was right there,not to mention,can't even properly bind or gag their victim.Oh please,get real !

LOL! I can just see Homer Simpson chuckling to himself as he drives off in his getaway car. Then it suddenly dawns on him that he's left her in the basement.

"D'oh!" :doh:


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

LOL! I can just see Homer Simpson chuckling to himself as he drives off in his getaway car. Then it suddenly dawns on him that he's left her in the basement.

"D'oh!" :doh:


-Tea

ROFL !

 

[DeeDee249]

And as far as her hands go,they would have been bound in front or in back of her,not over her head.(which was done after rigor set in).Now pls don't tell me they were and she got loose...a KN would have had her wrists completely bound with rope,many times over,not just once over each wrist with nothing more than that shoestring-like cord. <insert rolling eyes symbol here>.
And after being gagged and bound,a KN would have gotten her out of that house,ASAP! (via the door right there !) He would have executed a plan that had already been made.It is just that simple.A KN wants it to be that way.Get in,get out.Your scenario involves nothing short of the 3 stooges who can't get even get their act together enough to get a 45 pd child out of a door that was right there,not to mention,can't even properly bind or gag their victim.Oh please,get real !

And the 'foreigners' fail to write a note convincing enough to appear written by a foreigner.
Where are all the experts who say it was written by a foreigner??? No one would be that dumb.They know just how stupid it would make them appear.

Good points! Not ONE person involved in this case said that note seemed like it was written by a foreigner.

Let's not forget also, that JR lied about the cord on JBR's wrists. He said he was the one who untied her wrist. He claimed the cord was very tightly tied. Any coroner, as well as any novice in the study of forensics, could tell by looking at her wrists that the cord was NEVER tied tightly. Not in life, not in death. There would be a furrow on her wrist(s) just as there was on her neck. There would be evidence of swelling above or below the furrow. NONE of the above were found.
Remember the autopsy photo where JBR's back is shown- there are white lines on her back in the livor mortis that represent where the waistband of her panties and long johns were against her skin, and also white lines across her back that indicate where the wrinkles and folds of her shirt pressed against her bare skin. When livor forms, as the blood settles, it is pressed away from areas that indent into the skin, even slightly, like clothing (or the cord). This is called "blanching". After livor becomes fixed (called non-blanching), these white areas remain, as the blood has thickened and no longer moves. The ligature furrow is RED because it was made while she was alive. The lines on her back are WHITE because they were made when she was placed on her back after she was dead. She was garotted while alive and on her stomach. After that, she was placed on her back. Livor began within the hour.
I know FW followed JR into the wineceller that day. Has he ever mentioned seeing JR do any of the following: Cut her down; untie her wrist; remove the tape; unwrap the blanket? Because I don't see where he was even ASKED about it, unless we are not privy to that interview.