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[DeeDee249]

Oh Casey Kasem would just love Holdon...maybe he'd even play him a top 40 hit! (not).Hold, look him up if you don't know why I said that.

Don't leave us in suspense! Tell us why!

 

[JMO8778]

He's of Lebanese descent,and is very against stereotyping ppl of Arabic origin as all of them being terrorist,or terrorist-minded..they aren't.I believe he was the one who got angry over the 1985 movie Back to the Future,when it portrayed Libyan terrorists as the ones 'Doc' stole the plutonium from,and the same ones who came back to kill him.As in,WHY did they have to be from Libya??? And he's absolutely right,IMO.
Holdon played into that same stereotyping when he ran with the contents of the RN and claimed JB's murder was done by foreign terrorists,who killed her simply because she had the wrong hair and eye color ..I just have to roll my eyes on that one !! And he based it on: the author stating he/she was foreign,a couple of misspelled words,and the 'beheading' threat.There is NOTHING in the note that would leave us to believe it was written by a foreigner.Nothing.None of the experts ever thought it was written by a foreigner.A foreigner wouldn't call himself a foreigner.A SFF would take credit for what they do.JB wasn't beheaded.And a couple of misspelled words certainly don't mean it was written by a foreigner who uses ESL.The syntax is all wrong for a foreigner...their spelling isn't all that poor..I would have expected it to start off 'We has your daughter',and go from there,messing up verbs and adverbs,using the wrong phrases and tenses,and adding s,es and ed where they don't belong (or leaving them out),if it was written by a foreigner.Patsy obviously didn't have enough knowledge of them to think to do that.
These stereotypes have been around for a long time,and so for anyone to say that Patsy wouldn't have thought to put that in the RN is just absurd.

 

[coloradokares]

Yeah, a crystal ball would probably be much more efficient. Probably would disclose even more information than the 8 ball would. Like, what color underwear Patsy was wearing, or if John really DID have an eyelift, and exactly what time the Ramsey's would be leaving the party, and arriving home after delivering gifts.

Maybe it would have been able to forsee the pinapple bowl with no strange prints on it and also foretold that wiping the prints off the batteries would look more suspicious not less suspicious, in fact I bet they would have settled for a plain old black and white 8 ball to tell them what to do next to get out of the mess they were in!!

 

[Ames]

Maybe it would have been able to forsee the pinapple bowl with no strange prints on it and also foretold that wiping the prints off the batteries would look more suspicious not less suspicious, in fact I bet they would have settled for a plain old black and white 8 ball to tell them what to do next to get out of the mess they were in!!

LOL I agree.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

He's of Lebanese descent,and is very against stereotyping ppl of Arabic origin as all of them being terrorist,or terrorist-minded..they aren't.I believe he was the one who got angry over the 1985 movie Back to the Future,when it portrayed Libyan terrorists as the ones 'Doc' stole the plutonium from,and the same ones who came back to kill him.As in,WHY did they have to be from Libya??? And he's absolutely right,IMO.
Holdon played into that same stereotyping when he ran with the contents of the RN and claimed JB's murder was done by foreign terrorists,who killed her simply because she had the wrong hair and eye color ..I just have to roll my eyes on that one !! And he based it on: the author stating he/she was foreign,a couple of misspelled words,and the 'beheading' threat.There is NOTHING in the note that would leave us to believe it was written by a foreigner.Nothing.None of the experts ever thought it was written by a foreigner.A foreigner wouldn't call himself a foreigner.A SFF would take credit for what they do.JB wasn't beheaded.And a couple of misspelled words certainly don't mean it was written by a foreigner who uses ESL.The syntax is all wrong for a foreigner...their spelling isn't all that poor..I would have expected it to start off 'We has your daughter',and go from there,messing up verbs and adverbs,using the wrong phrases and tenses,and adding s,es and ed where they don't belong (or leaving them out),if it was written by a foreigner.Patsy obviously didn't have enough knowledge of them to think to do that.
These stereotypes have been around for a long time,and so for anyone to say that Patsy wouldn't have thought to put that in the RN is just absurd.

I'm so glad you explained the Casey relation, I would've never guessed that!

But, I'll ask you to please find my post where I stated I thought JBR was murdered by foreign terrorists. Foreigners? yes. Terrorists? I dunno.

Despite a ton of evidence, RDI can't disprove SFF. RDI can't disprove the idea that foreigners came to this country on a mission to kidnap a blond haired blue eyed American girl with potential. A mission they planned to carry out armed only with ESL, cord, tape, gloves, and some advance knowledge of JR and his plans for the evening.

 

[DeeDee249]

I'm so glad you explained the Casey relation, I would've never guessed that!

But, I'll ask you to please find my post where I stated I thought JBR was murdered by foreign terrorists. Foreigners? yes. Terrorists? I dunno.

Despite a ton of evidence, RDI can't disprove SFF. RDI can't disprove the idea that foreigners came to this country on a mission to kidnap a blond haired blue eyed American girl with potential. A mission they planned to carry out armed only with ESL, cord, tape, gloves, and some advance knowledge of JR and his plans for the evening.

And they came ONLY for JBR. There were no other events of foreign ESL-types taking any other blue -eyed blonde little girls as far as I know. Besides, this was a FAUX blonde, blue-eyed little girl. And obviously, where they were planning to take her for the next several years while they waited for puberty, there was no blonde hair dye or blue contact lenses.

'Aight?

 

[Ames]

I'm so glad you explained the Casey relation, I would've never guessed that!

But, I'll ask you to please find my post where I stated I thought JBR was murdered by foreign terrorists. Foreigners? yes. Terrorists? I dunno.

Despite a ton of evidence, RDI can't disprove SFF. RDI can't disprove the idea that foreigners came to this country on a mission to kidnap a blond haired blue eyed American girl with potential. A mission they planned to carry out armed only with ESL, cord, tape, gloves, and some advance knowledge of JR and his plans for the evening.

Have you ever just sat down and thought about your scenario? Do you actually read what you post...as you are writing it? If so, you would realize just how ludicrous that sounds. Doesn't it make much more sense...if one of the parents did it? Afterall...they are the only KNOWN people ..along with Burke...to have been in the house when JB died. Patsy's handwriting looks WAY too much like the author of the RN, to just be dismissed. Look at her letter q....it looks just ike the number 8, and SO DOES the RN's author. The pineapple that JB ate before she died..has YET to be explained. The RN was written on a notepad, and with a pen from the Ramsey household. How did the intruder know that he would have enough time to write that long RN THERE...why not just write it before coming to the house, and stick it in his pocket?? Holdon..I am sorry...no offense to you...but, your scenario truly makes NO sense at all. You know the saying...anytime a child is murdered....FIRST...you have to look at the parents. And sometimes...justice is not ALWAYS served. Take OJ Simpson for example...he is as guilty as they come...but,, he got away with murder. Just because there was no indictment, does NOT mean that one of them did not do it. In order for an indictment...(for his job....my husband has had to testify at a Federal Grand Jury before, so he should know)..you have to prove WHO did WHAT. You can't just throw two people into the mix and say..."THEY did it". It doesn't work that way. Because nobody KNEW WHO did WHAT....the Ramsey's could not be indicted. Plainly put..they are guilty...and they got away with it. It is as simple as that.

 

[JMO8778]

Have you ever just sat down and thought about your scenario? Do you actually read what you post...as you are writing it? If so, you would realize just how ludicrous that sounds. Doesn't it make much more sense...if one of the parents did it? Afterall...they are the only KNOWN people ..along with Burke...to have been in the house when JB died. Patsy's handwriting looks WAY too much like the author of the RN, to just be dismissed. Look at her letter q....it looks just ike the number 8, and SO DOES the RN's author. The pineapple that JB ate before she died..has YET to be explained. The RN was written on a notepad, and with a pen from the Ramsey household. How did the intruder know that he would have enough time to write that long RN THERE...why not just write it before coming to the house, and stick it in his pocket?? Holdon..I am sorry...no offense to you...but, your scenario truly makes NO sense at all. You know the saying...anytime a child is murdered....FIRST...you have to look at the parents. And sometimes...justice is not ALWAYS served. Take OJ Simpson for example...he is as guilty as they come...but,, he got away with murder. Just because there was no indictment, does NOT mean that one of them did not do it. In order for an indictment...(for his job....my husband has had to testify at a Federal Grand Jury before, so he should know)..you have to prove WHO did WHAT. You can't just throw two people into the mix and say..."THEY did it". It doesn't work that way. Because nobody KNEW WHO did WHAT....the Ramsey's could not be indicted. Plainly put..they are guilty...and they got away with it. It is as simple as that.

amen and amen.

 

[JMO8778]

I'm so glad you explained the Casey relation, I would've never guessed that!

But, I'll ask you to please find my post where I stated I thought JBR was murdered by foreign terrorists. Foreigners? yes. Terrorists? I dunno.

Despite a ton of evidence, RDI can't disprove SFF.

there ya go...same thing you've been saying all along..

and some advance knowledge of JR and his plans for the evening.

..reading the tea leaves and tarot cards again...

 

[DeeDee249]

Save yourself from aggravation, Ames. Don't even bother to point all this out. He knows...he knows.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Have you ever just sat down and thought about your scenario? Do you actually read what you post...as you are writing it? If so, you would realize just how ludicrous that sounds. Doesn't it make much more sense...if one of the parents did it? Afterall...they are the only KNOWN people ..along with Burke...to have been in the house when JB died. Patsy's handwriting looks WAY too much like the author of the RN, to just be dismissed. Look at her letter q....it looks just ike the number 8, and SO DOES the RN's author. The pineapple that JB ate before she died..has YET to be explained. The RN was written on a notepad, and with a pen from the Ramsey household. How did the intruder know that he would have enough time to write that long RN THERE...why not just write it before coming to the house, and stick it in his pocket?? Holdon..I am sorry...no offense to you...but, your scenario truly makes NO sense at all. You know the saying...anytime a child is murdered....FIRST...you have to look at the parents. And sometimes...justice is not ALWAYS served. Take OJ Simpson for example...he is as guilty as they come...but,, he got away with murder. Just because there was no indictment, does NOT mean that one of them did not do it. In order for an indictment...(for his job....my husband has had to testify at a Federal Grand Jury before, so he should know)..you have to prove WHO did WHAT. You can't just throw two people into the mix and say..."THEY did it". It doesn't work that way. Because nobody KNEW WHO did WHAT....the Ramsey's could not be indicted. Plainly put..they are guilty...and they got away with it. It is as simple as that.

But it WAS dismissed. The ABFDE, as a group, dismissed the idea that PR wrote the note, by not forming a consensus that she wrote it.

And you're confused over this 'who did what' problem, and applying OJ's case onto the JBR case as if its relevant. The police CAN throw two people into the mix and say they did it, even when you don't know exactly who did what. If PR and JR screwed up under pressure while being interrogated separately by investigators and said the wrong thing, they would have been arrested. Who did what would've been worked out later. Remember, unlike OJ, they weren't even arrested! Not only that, years later they stroll into BPD!

Clearly you've got your opinion. Its just wrong, thats all.

The silliest thing RDI does is to have information handed to them (the RN), and reject the information out of hand (even on the same day!) instead of waiting for some logical reason to doubt the information.

Please don't forget the CODIS DNA that doesn't match anyone. DNA that was found not on her long johns, not on her blanket, not on the tape on her mouth, but 'mixed with blood in her underwear'.

There's your intruder smoking gun.

 

[DeeDee249]

Ames, go back on "ignore". You'll feel better.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

:boohoo:

 

[DeeDee249]

:banghead:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And they came ONLY for JBR. There were no other events of foreign ESL-types taking any other blue -eyed blonde little girls as far as I know. Besides, this was a FAUX blonde, blue-eyed little girl. And obviously, where they were planning to take her for the next several years while they waited for puberty, there was no blonde hair dye or blue contact lenses.

'Aight?

Yes, they came ONLY for JBR. And yes, there were no other events of foreigners taking any other, as far as you know.

 

[Ames]

But it WAS dismissed. The ABFDE, as a group, dismissed the idea that PR wrote the note, by not forming a consensus that she wrote it.

And you're confused over this 'who did what' problem, and applying OJ's case onto the JBR case as if its relevant. The police CAN throw two people into the mix and say they did it, even when you don't know exactly who did what. If PR and JR screwed up under pressure while being interrogated separately by investigators and said the wrong thing, they would have been arrested. Who did what would've been worked out later. Remember, unlike OJ, they weren't even arrested! Not only that, years later they stroll into BPD!

Clearly you've got your opinion. Its just wrong, thats all.

The silliest thing RDI does is to have information handed to them (the RN), and reject the information out of hand (even on the same day!) instead of waiting for some logical reason to doubt the information.

Please don't forget the CODIS DNA that doesn't match anyone. DNA that was found not on her long johns, not on her blanket, not on the tape on her mouth, but 'mixed with blood in her underwear'.

There's your intruder smoking gun.

Whatever...:boohoo: and

Looks to me that they just couldn't make up their minds whether Patsy wrote the RN or not...in other words...inconclusive.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0709jon.htm

Handwriting test fails to clear Patsy Ramsey

Lawyers say results mean JonBenet's mom wasn't author of note
[FONT=arial,helvetica]By Charlie Brennan [/FONT]

%%byline%%By Charlie Brennan
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer
BOULDER -- Handwriting analysts can't rule out Patsy Ramsey as the author of the ransom note in her daughter's murder case, the Rocky Mountain News has learned. They can't say for sure that she wrote it either, sources said.
Results from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation's analysis of Patsy Ramsey's handwriting have been in the hands of Boulder police since late June, but hadn't been disclosed publicly until now.
Law enforcement sources told the News Tuesday that the CBI report uses the term "does not exclude'' to describe whether Patsy Ramsey, 40, wrote the 21/2-page note.
Patrick Furman, one of Patsy Ramsey's lawyers, said the family's legal team considers the finding of "does not exclude'' to be one step away from clearing her of authorship.
"'Does not exclude,' falls below 'Did write it,' 'Probably wrote it,' and 'Inconclusive,'' he said.
"That report indicates to us that what we've been saying all along is true,'' said Furman. "She didn't write it. We certainly hope that this will help to focus the investigation on finding the killer.''
JonBenet Ramsey, 6, was found strangled the afternoon of Dec. 26, about eight hours after Patsy Ramsey told police she found the ransom note on the back stairs.
Patsy Ramsey, spending the summer with her son Burke, 10, at the family's resort home in Charlevoix, Mich, had voluntarily submitted five different handwriting samples to police.
In addition, investigators seized samples of her writing from a variety of sources, including the family's summer retreat.
Earlier handwriting analysis eliminated John Ramsey, 54, as a possible author of the note.
The News reported in March that some features of Patsy Ramsey's writing resembled certain characeristics in the ransom note, according to sources close to the case.
The only testing related to the ransom note still to be completed is chemical analysis to identify fingerprints or palmprints on the full note, or a four-word "practice'' note.
The "practice'' note was found on a legal pad John Ramsey turned over to police Dec. 26. Investigators had asked for samples of his wife's handwriting. He did so, sources said, showing no sign that he knew the pad held the partial note.
Police later determined that the full note had been torn from the same note pad.
DNA test results on several items of forensic evidence were analyzed for possible matches by a private laboratory in Maryland.
Those test results have never been revealed.
But Police Chief Tom Koby said even before they were received that he didn't think the results would lead to an arrest. Police have had the results since May 15.


July 9, 1997

 

[BBB167893]

Damn, Ames! Guess you don't need me after all!

Now:

He's of Lebanese descent,and is very against stereotyping ppl of Arabic origin as all of them being terrorist,or terrorist-minded..they aren't.I believe he was the one who got angry over the 1985 movie Back to the Future,when it portrayed Libyan terrorists as the ones 'Doc' stole the plutonium from,and the same ones who came back to kill him.As in,WHY did they have to be from Libya??? And he's absolutely right,IMO.

Flint Dille is a screenwriter, who, back in 1985-6, wrote for one of my favorite TV shows: (drumroll, please!) "Transformers." Well, during the third season, Dille wrote the five-part opener, "Five Faces of Darkness." In that show, a recurring character appeared named Abdul Fakkadi, "President For Life" and "King of Kings" of the Arab nation of Carbombiya (Car BOMB iya, get it?) Fakkadi was very clearly based on Khaddafi, the Islamic-socialist dictator of Libya. Casey Kasem provided the voice of several characters on the show. He didn't like the Fakkadi character. Dille responded, saying, "Tell you what, Casey; you get Mr. Khaddafi to stop bombing planes and discotheques, and I won't write about him anymore."

Attaboy, Flint! Listen, I don't know about "Back to the Future," but by 1986, I'd say Khaddafi was fair game. JMO!

Holdon played into that same stereotyping when he ran with the contents of the RN and claimed JB's murder was done by foreign terrorists,who killed her simply because she had the wrong hair and eye color ..I just have to roll my eyes on that one !! And he based it on: the author stating he/she was foreign,a couple of misspelled words,and the 'beheading' threat.There is NOTHING in the note that would leave us to believe it was written by a foreigner.Nothing.None of the experts ever thought it was written by a foreigner.A foreigner wouldn't call himself a foreigner.A SFF would take credit for what they do.JB wasn't beheaded.And a couple of misspelled words certainly don't mean it was written by a foreigner who uses ESL.The syntax is all wrong for a foreigner...their spelling isn't all that poor..I would have expected it to start off 'We has your daughter',and go from there,messing up verbs and adverbs,using the wrong phrases and tenses,and adding s,es and ed where they don't belong (or leaving them out),if it was written by a foreigner.Patsy obviously didn't have enough knowledge of them to think to do that.
These stereotypes have been around for a long time,and so for anyone to say that Patsy wouldn't have thought to put that in the RN is just absurd.

Well, I've been saying for a while now that there was a deliberate attempt to play to those ideas in the RN. Even before 9/11, it was common knowledge that they behead people in that part of the world. Don't forget: just that year, the name "Osama bin Laden" was just becoming well-known to the American public at large. Maybe Patsy just couldn't spell "Hezbollah" or "Islamic jihad" or any od those other names? Who knows?

 

[JMO8778]

Damn, Ames! Guess you don't need me after all!

Now:



Flint Dille is a screenwriter, who, back in 1985-6, wrote for one of my favorite TV shows: (drumroll, please!) "Transformers." Well, during the third season, Dille wrote the five-part opener, "Five Faces of Darkness." In that show, a recurring character appeared named Abdul Fakkadi, "President For Life" and "King of Kings" of the Arab nation of Carbombiya (Car BOMB iya, get it?) Fakkadi was very clearly based on Khaddafi, the Islamic-socialist dictator of Libya. Casey Kasem provided the voice of several characters on the show. He didn't like the Fakkadi character. Dille responded, saying, "Tell you what, Casey; you get Mr. Khaddafi to stop bombing planes and discotheques, and I won't write about him anymore."

Attaboy, Flint! Listen, I don't know about "Back to the Future," but by 1986, I'd say Khaddafi was fair game. JMO!

I would agree w/ you on that, SD.

Well, I've been saying for a while now that there was a deliberate attempt to play to those ideas in the RN. Even before 9/11, it was common knowledge that they behead people in that part of the world. Don't forget: just that year, the name "Osama bin Laden" was just becoming well-known to the American public at large. Maybe Patsy just couldn't spell "Hezbollah" or "Islamic jihad" or any od those other names? Who knows?

..or she was being vague on purpose...hoping that something or somebody(ies),might pan out in the end.I'm surprised she didn't make them 3 frenchmen,(wouldn't that be exciting?!),but it appears she needed to imply something other than that to account for the way JB was killed.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

PR alluding to middle eastern terrorists is just something you're reading into the RN that isn't really there.

I also never thought middle eastern terrorists were ever involved in a kidnapping or murder plot of JBR. I don't think the Rn comes from that part of the world, politically or educationally.

 

[JMO8778]

PR alluding to middle eastern terrorists is just something you're reading into the RN that isn't really there.

..not quite...

I also never thought middle eastern terrorists were ever involved in a kidnapping or murder plot of JBR. I don't think the Rn comes from that part of the world, politically or educationally.

me neither.it's obvious to me that *Patsy* wrote it. it's obvious to me that a foreigner *didn't write it.

I think Patsy wrote it.That is good enough for me.

You nor anyone else would ever be able to convince me otherwise,because...she wrote it !