Paperwork Details Elisa Baker’s Involvement In Investigation

[ynotdivein]

If one went one way and one went the other how would EB know exactly where everything was? JMO

Good q, westside...

Given the searching and re-searching the same areas, I'm not sure that EB really did know "exactly" where everything was...

If she did know then how?.... Pillow talk?

:sick:

Or both following a plan pre-written by someone with life-long knowledge of the area in question...

...hmmmmm.... wonder if any paper scraps were recovered from that backyard mulchfire at 21 21st NW Ave.... :waitasec:

(ETA: Actually, EB's directions to LE must not have been terribly precise, given the amount of searching and re-searching that was necessary for skilled SAR folk to locate the remains. AB did work for a yard service company. It may have been enough for her to suggest, hey you know that spot up on Dudley Shoals...?)

 

[Bipolar Express]

Have no idea if this is OT or not (Im a bit paranoid of going OT, lol) but....I am thinking that Adam may, and this is MOO, have been abusing Zahra in some way for a very long time...which would explain why he kept moving, even in Australia....so bio mom could not have contact and discover the abuse...and also why however she died he did not want her body seen by anyone. I shudder to think what this angel may have been dealing with her entire life...also, if he did dismember her himself, or had any part in it...he obviously dehumanized her loooong ago, which also would indicate that he was abusive. JMO....and if its OT, mods I apologize, just didnt know where else to say it....

 

[Bipolar Express]

If one went one way and one went the other how would EB know exactly where everything was? JMO

well...we dont know if "everything" was found, just enough to make an ID.

 

[epiphany]

IMO, it's still looking to me like there were no squirrels scurrying around in that attic, nor was it a drug stash for daddy and SM. Able to dismember=able to do the unspeakable.

 

[believe09]

Motion to Reduce Bond:

4. Since the bond hearing in District Court before Judge Mullinax Elisa Baker's circumstances have materially changed. The specific changes are as follows:


a. On October, 22, 2010 Ms. Baker disclosed knowledge about the circumstances surrounding the disappearance/death of Zahra Baker.

There are 8 more specfic changes in the article.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/111510+elisa+baker+bond+redux.pdf

Because of these disclosures she wants her bail reduced. There is nothing stating she committed murder.

I want to know why & who dismembered Zahra's body! Why?

There is no sense here except they had no money to pay for a burial. It's possible they were worried about criminal neglect charges if she were indeed sick.

BBM-I dont want to sound judgemental here, but first of all the community paid for hearing aids for this child...or at least a community did. Why would this not extend to a burial for her?

I cannot fault anyone for finding it easier to believe that this child died of natural causes, and they kept her around for a while and then cut her apart etc in order to escape the fact that she had died.

but I think the lynch pin of all of this is DSS pursuing them for a visit. Zahra was not available to be interviewed. So they ran, they took her with them, and they took her apart. JMVHO.

 

[gitana1]

If reports from family and neighbors are true, and based on what I have seen come from EB herself, I truly believe that EB systematically abused this child, to death, while AB stood by and did nothing. Perhaps he joined in but I think EB was the leader here. Zahra seemed like a a happy and relatively well-cared for child until EB came into the picture.
I believe the fact that she divulged this info was self-serving. She thinks if she tells this, she can pin the blame on AB and get off scott-free.
I am very worried that because she is spilling and AB does not seem to be doing so, that she will strike a deal and not face everything she deserves. I want both of them to rot in prison. I think they are equally to blame, perhaps AB a bit more - EB for beating Zahra to death and AB for allowing it.
AB needs to start talking now, tell the truth and beg for mercy. Otherwise, it will be hard to prove exactly what happened. Each can simply say that the other was the perp and that they either did not know until after the fact or were scared.

 

[Sherbie]

4(b) of the motion says that the defense team "located and collected a significant piece of evidence."

Why would they not call LE to collect it once it was located? What sort of evidence might they actually collect themselves?

ETA: Oh good, I see Gitana's here! What sort of evidence are defense teams allowed to collect without notifying LE first?

 

[gitana1]

If one went one way and one went the other how would EB know exactly where everything was? JMO

Maybe she didn't. I don't think they recovered all of Zahra.

 

[revampz]

It seems obvious to me (and I have been wrong before) that she did not kill Zahra. How in the name of all that is sacred could she apply to have her bail lowered if she had murdered the child?

I think the same Paulette.....if they thought she murdered her they would not even be looking at reducing the bail.........

I think like alot of us suspected and wrote in the theories thread, zahra died of some form of medical issue which they neglected.........

there is no doubt she abused her and treated her shockingly........I too think HE dismembered her (as per the horrifying in her letter) and they put the pieces in both cars and scattered them.......

I bet she has also told them that it was HE who dismembered her as well......but maybe they dont have enough evidence of that to arrest him yet..... I hope it is soon because I have no doubt he was in this with her.......disposing of his beautiful little girl in such an awful way...

 

[ynotdivein]

4(b) of the motion says that the defense team "located and collected a significant piece of evidence."

Why would they not call LE to collect it once it was located? What sort of evidence might they actually collect themselves?

(Ynot is wishing that we had a "thanks" button that made a BING BING BING noise when the original poster accessed the post again...)

 

[watcher9]

The article listed as the opening post has been updated with more info:

According to the court document, Elisa Baker told her attorneys on Oct. 22 that she knew the circumstances surrounding the disappearance and death of the 10-year-old. That night, her defense team located a significant piece of evidence in the case that was later turned over the law enforcement officials, the paperwork says.

Within 48 hours, police were told that Zahra was dead and that her body was dismembered and would be recovered at different locations, according to the document. Elisa Baker’s attorneys suggested that she could show police the exact locations.

Elisa Baker was taken out of jail at one point during the investigation and led police to three different sites, including the Dudley Shoals area and the Christie Road area, both of which are in Caldwell County. Remains that police believe are Zahra’s were found in the Dudley Shoals area and Zahra’s prosthetic leg was found off Christie Road.

Elisa Baker also confirmed to police that a mattress found at a landfill was consistent with one that had been placed in a dumpster, the document said. In addition, she told them additional evidence could be found in the family’s Hickory home, according to the document.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so don't know if it's been discussed that EB told LE that the body had been dismembered and could be recovered at different sites. She then led police to three sites, but only two were named. She also confirmed to police about the mattress at the landfill and the evidence at the home.

SO, WHERE WAS THE THIRD SITE? :furious:

 

[Sherbie]

EB told investigators this and her defense atty USES this in a brief to argue for bond REDUCTION? Are you kidding me? That alone should warrant even more serious charges against her. I wonder if she told who helped her dismember the body or how it was done?

I think the motion is as much about forcing LE's hand as it is about reducing the bond. Not exactly a "put up or shut up" kinda thing...but not too far from it.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Ya, I think this is a hail Mary move by the defense to see what sticks.

So, she gave info to help find where Zahra's remains were scattered. So that means she was involved. EB was there and was a participant. I hope her bond is 'upped' even more. I also hope AB is arrested for his part in precious Zahra's demise. This is sick! EB is a nutcase, IMPO!

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

You know, it IS possible to inflict horrible abuse on a child and still NOT be the person who killed them.

Not saying I think that's the way this will play out, just saying one doesn't neccesarily have to preclude the other.

 

[gitana1]

I think the same Paulette.....if they thought she murdered her they would not even be looking at reducing the bail.........

I think like alot of us suspected and wrote in the theories thread, zahra died of some form of medical issue which they neglected.........

there is no doubt she abused her and treated her shockingly........I too think HE dismembered her (as per the horrifying in her letter) and they put the pieces in both cars and scattered them.......

I bet she has also told them that it was HE who dismembered her as well......but maybe they dont have enough evidence of that to arrest him yet..... I hope it is soon because I have no doubt he was in this with her.......disposing of his beautiful little girl in such an awful way...

Except the woman who reported seeing Zahra at the furniture store in late September? did not report that Zahra looked ill or anything. If it was a recurrence of cancer, for example, it would take more than a couple of weeks for her to die from medical neglect. The woman reported that Zahra was standing there watching the t.v and turned and smiled brightly at her. Just doesn't sound like a sick kid to me.

 

[Bipolar Express]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so don't know if it's been discussed that EB told LE that the body had been dismembered and could be recovered at different sites. She then led police to three sites, but only two were named. She also confirmed to police about the mattress at the landfill and the evidence at the home.

SO, WHERE WAS THE THIRD SITE? :furious:

The house on Hickory???? Inside the plumbing? I dunno...just thinking.

 

[Sherbie]

For those who think EB's admissions *must* mean she didn't murder Zahra, please think about this: First, she could have lied to her attorney (it's her specialty), so don't rely on her attorney's allowing her to make these admissions as a sign of innocence. Secondly, she could well have done the deed and known that the specific evidence she was pointing them to could never prove that she did, but that doing so would help bolster her claims of not having killed Zahra.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

(Ynot is wishing that we had a "thanks" button that made a BING BING BING noise when the original poster accessed the post again...)

Hmmm...something not in the house, not in either car, not at a previous search site.

No clue, but my mind is going back to that mysterious Monte Carlo for some reason. Although, in all fairness, I AM kinda obsessed with that thing. :waitasec:

 

[Bipolar Express]

Except the woman who reported seeing Zahra at the furniture store in late September? did not report that Zahra looked ill or anything. If it was a recurrence of cancer, for example, it would take more than a couple of weeks for her to die from medical neglect. The woman reported that Zahra was standing there watching the t.v and turned and smiled brightly at her. Just doesn't sound like a sick kid to me.

This is why I dont think she died to medical neglect (though Im sure there was a lot of that)....DSS was on their tail, as was bio mom, it was time for the evidence of what had been happening to Zahra to be removed, even if it meant killing her.....MOO.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Hmmm...something not in the house, not in either car, not at a previous search site.

No clue, but my mind is going back to that mysterious Monte Carlo for some reason. Although, in all fairness, I AM kinda obsessed with that thing. :waitasec:

Was it ever mentioned if EB had a phone and texted much? I would think that would be something that LE would already have checked out...but maybe she made her lawyers privy of something that AB texted her? I dont know....Im sure LE would have already checked phone records.