Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[Maybe So]

I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me. If you lived with an autistic child, and could have saved this child from a lifetime of issues, you would never make that statement. It is devastating for the child to live with, and heartbreaking for the family.

Personally, I do not have a real feel for or against vaccines causing autism.
I have read too many conflicting studies and haven't made up my mind.
I do know that if I knew my child were at risk, I would never allow the vaccine.

Yes it does make sense.... overall not getting immunized is more Dangerous than getting immunized. You are basing what you think on hindsight. You can't go back and redo it. At the time you didn't know your child would be the one. You made the right choice. Of course if you could do it over knowing what you know now you wouldn't have your child immunized but most people aren't making this decision knowing if their child will get autism. They are facing the decision without knowing what will happen. They are weighing the unknown risks against the known risks and for the majority immunizations are the right way to go.

Without vaccines hundreds of kids who are healthy would be in their graves right now, blind right now, crippled right now......

And I didn't mean I would get my child vacinated if I knew he would get autism. I meant that I would still immunize knowing their was the slight risk compared to the greater risk of the other diseases.

 

[Kim Ii]

The last post makes me shudder. Vaccines are NOT what we have been led to believe they are.

Studies show, if you have taken the time to read/research the above posts, that NON-VACCINATED CHILDREN are healthier than their VACCINATED COUNTERPARTS. Our son is healther now than ever and he has NOT been vaccinated since he was six months of age.

You cannot possibly believe that injecting your body with bolus doses of toxities, i.e., mercury, aluminum, etc., is HEALTHY for you, can you? Read up on what is actually IN the very vaccines they are injecting into our newborns' bodies. It is absolutely unconscionable. Flu vaccines, of which now the medical authorities are urging all BABIES/CHILDREN TO NOW RECEIVE, contain thimerosal/mercury. Do you really want this injected into your own bodies, let alone your children? Are you really saying you think this is actually GOOD for you? Really?

Oh...I think I'm done with this thread. People will believe what they want to believe. All I can hope for, at best, is that I have reached ONE PARENT on this thread and hopefully, save just one child from the harm that was done to our own. Then -- it will have all been worth it.

 

[Kim Ii]

Here is one last post -- I couldn't resist this one. Dr. Philip Incao is one of my very favorites. Here is an article, written by him in 1999, which explains the pros and cons re: vaccination.

Here is the link, with a snip to follow:

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/vaccine_information.htm;

And a Snip:

..."There is no system of the human being, from mind to muscles to immune system, which gets stronger through avoiding challenges, but only through overcoming challenges. The WISE USE of VACCINATIONS would be to USE THEM SELECTIVELY, and NOT ON a MASS SCALE. In order for vaccinations to be helpful and not harmful, we must know beforehand in each individual to be vaccinated whether the Th1 function or the Th2 function of the immune system predominates."

"In individuals, in whom the Th1 function predominates, causing many acute inflammations because the cellular immune system is over reactive, a vaccination could have a balancing effect on the immune system and be helpful for that individual. In individuals, in whom the Th2 function predominates, causing few acute inflammations but rather the tendency to chronic allergic or autoimmune inflammations, a vaccination would cause the Th2 function to predominate even more, aggravating the imbalance of the immune system and harming the health of that individual. This is what happened in Gulf War Illness."

"The current use of vaccinations in medicine today is essentially a shotgun approach that ignores differences among individuals. In such an approach some individuals may be helped and others may be harmed. If medicine is to evolve in a healthy direction, we must learn to understand the particular characteristics of each individual and we must learn how to individualize our treatments to be able to heal each unique human being in our care."

"VACCINATIONS are usually effective in preventing an individual from manifesting a particular illness, but they DO NOT IMPROVE the overall STRENGTH or HEALTH of the individual nor of the immune system. Instead, VACCINATIONS MODIFY the REACTIVITY of the IMMUNE SYSTEM, decreasing acute discharging inflammatory reactions and INCREASING the TENDENCY to CHRONIC ALLERGIC and AUTO-IMMUNE REACTIONS."

"Epidemiologic studies 7 8 9 have shown that as families improve their living conditions, hygiene, nutrition, literacy and education, the risk of life-threatening acute infectious , inflammatory diseases very much decreases. Families with poor living conditions, hygiene, nutrition and literacy would generally be most likely to benefit from vaccinations. Families with good living conditions, hygiene, nutrition and education probably would benefit from vaccinations very little or not at all. Individuals with a tendency to allergic or autoimmune diseases are LIKELY to BE HARMED BY VACCINATIONS."

"SIDE EFFECTS of VACCINATION are usually ALLERGIC or AUTOIMMUNE inflammatory reactions caused by the shift of the immune systemís reactivity from the Th1 side to the Th2 side. Modern medicine is just beginning to recognize this. 10 Modern MEDICINE HAS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY MEASURED the RISK/BENEFIT RATIO of ANY VACCINE. 11 Research into the risks of vaccines is very inadequate, according to two comprehensive reports on vaccines by the U.S. Institute of Medicine in 1991 and 1994..."

 

[T-Rex]

Every place I've ever seen this discussed, someone had a first-hand story about a normal-functioning kid who changed overnight after being vaccinated. I'm not a parent, so I'll never have to make that call, but I have great empathy for anyone who does.

 

[CyberLaw]

How about parents who have three "normal" kids who are fully vaccinated to the hilt and none of them have any problems what so ever, nor any friends kids, nor any other "vaccinated" kids that I have ever known or my kids have ever known. That would be "our" story.

You see one person from a community who does not believe in vaccination, spread Rubella though a whole religious community. This includes elderly people, babies, pregnant women. The entire community was not protected. It was a "major" health crisis in our province, and the Ministry of Health was very concerned that this was just the tip of the iceberg. I took the oldest to the Ped and had him updated for Rubella(that means he had two rubella shots in his life and he is still normal). I feel it is better to be safe then sorry. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure(if there is a cure)

What about SARS, TB, MRSA, these diseases will kill you, and there is nothing to protect anyone against it. SARS was scary, big time, when I say BIG time I mean it. It was a major health crisis, too bad there is not a vaccination that would protect kids who go to school against this. There are going to be more deaths from MRSA, and again there is nothing that can be done to protect the public.

What about the Spanish Flu, killed thousand upon thousand of people. Again no vaccine.

So really people should be very thankful that we live in a day and age where you can "CHOOSE" to protect your kids or not, because before the advent of vaccination, you did not have a choice to protect your kids and if your family member, relative, or child got sick, they died.

That is why preventative measures were developed to prevent death and disease. Those are called "vaccinations".

 

[Details]

Every place I've ever seen this discussed, someone had a first-hand story about a normal-functioning kid who changed overnight after being vaccinated. I'm not a parent, so I'll never have to make that call, but I have great empathy for anyone who does.

One thing about that - and it is controversial - but that is how autism often starts, with a regression. It's natural to look for what happened, when your child goes from babbling to not babbling, normal to not, but that appears to be how autism often starts - according to the doctors.

It's the problem with anecdotal evidence though - sometimes coincidences happen. Whether vaccinated or not, autism starts at the same age. So autism at the same time as a vaccine is no suprise. That's how silicone breast implants were banned - people got connective tissue disease when they had breast implants, and looking for a cause, decided it might be that. After a trial where anecdotal evidence convinced a jury to try to bankrupt the company - the silicone breast implants were exonerated. It was just coincidence.

I also see the anecdotal, first hand story of a family who vaccinated, the child got autism, had another child, did not have him vaccinated at all - he got worse autism. Anecdotals don't prove anything - statistics - properly analyzed - do.

 

[beakiebean]

Every place I've ever seen this discussed, someone had a first-hand story about a normal-functioning kid who changed overnight after being vaccinated. I'm not a parent, so I'll never have to make that call, but I have great empathy for anyone who does.

I think the hardest part of being a parent is that you're always trying to make good decisions for your child and always second guessing yourself and wondering if you're right. When you look at all the parenting advice that's changed over the years it's scary-all those parents who put their baby to sleep on their tummy and lost a child to crib death were just following the conventional wisdom of the time. Now the advice is the opposite.

Most parents out there are just trying to do right by their kids. I always try to keep that in mind when I don't necessarily agree with someone's parenting decisions. We're all trying to make the best decisions we can with the information we have.

Becca

 

[CyberLaw]

Just a thought:
Measles Mumps Rubella And Mercury-based Immunizations Cleared As Causes Of Autism

ScienceDaily (Jul. 5, 2006)
More Evidence To Clear Measles Mumps Rubella Vaccine As A Risk Factor For Autism

ScienceDaily (Oct. 22, 2006)

Vaccines Are Not Associated With Autism, Report Says

ScienceDaily (May 19, 2004) — WASHINGTON

Autism May Be Caused By An Immune System Response To A Virus

ScienceDaily (Nov. 3, 1998) — ANN ARBOR---Antibodies found in the blood of autistic children suggest that at least some cases of autism are caused by a misguided immune response, triggered by exposure to a virus, researchers in the University of Michigan's College of Pharmacy report.

Study Finds No Link Between Autism And Thimerosal In Vaccines

ScienceDaily (May 16, 2007) — The increase in the number of diagnosed cases of autism in recent years has sparked concern that environmental toxins may cause this complex disorder. However, a new University of Missouri-Columbia study concludes that exposure to Rh immune globulin preserved with mercury-containing thimerosal before birth was no higher for children with autism.
Researchers Discover Brain Abnormality In Kids With Autism

ScienceDaily (Aug. 27, 2006) — Children with autism have altered brain anatomy thought to be due to abnormal brain development, according to a study published in the August 22, 2006, issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology.
Researchers Shed Light On Early Brain Growth And Autism

ScienceDaily (Jul. 24, 2002) — ST. PAUL, MN -- Children with autism exhibit abnormal brain development during the very early years of life, according to two separate studies published in the current issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology.



So despite what people "think" there has been many, many "documented" well researched studies that again "prove" that there is no link between vaccination and autism. These are "credible" studies by reputable researchers and medical associations.

 

[JBean]

Pediatricians Say Fictional TV Show's Autism-Vaccine Link Could Be Literally Lethal

The American Academy of Pediatrics wants television network ABC to cancel the opener of "Eli Stone," a legal drama slated to debut on Thursday with an episode featuring a mother awarded $5.2 million after a jury finds her son's autism to be caused by a vaccine additive.
Though the additive in "Eli Stone" is named "mercuritol," it's clearly a proxy for thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative.
snip
“A television show that perpetuates the myth that vaccines cause autism is the height of reckless irresponsibility on the part of ABC and its parent company, The Walt Disney Co.,” said Renee R. Jenkins, MD, FAAP, president of the AAP. “If parents watch this program and choose to deny their children immunizations, ABC will share in the responsibility for the suffering and deaths that occur as a result.
ABC doesn't plan to cancel the show, but will preface it with a CDC website link and a disclaimer: “The following story is fictional and does not portray any actual persons, companies, products or events.”
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/pediatricians-s.html

 

[JinxieJada]

Im nobody in the great big scheme of things but our oldest daughter is fully vaccinated, she is sick ALL of the time.

Our two youngest are selectively vax/delayed schedules meaning, they got hep b, and the initial round of DPT (aerocellurlar (Killed vaccine not live) and that's IT.

My cousins (fraternal twins) Were totally "normal" until the age of 18 months when they went in for their vax literally overnight there was a change in them. From responsiveness to facial expressions. Yes, they are diagnosed as Children w/ Autism.

Is there a direct link? Not 100% sure. BUT having seen what happened to them, and the struggle my mom's Sister and Brother in law go through raising those two, there was no way I was taking that chance.

I did a tremendous amount of reading, talking to other parents, I worked at a local hospital in the OR department and spent many nights talking to Dr's and nurses. We did NOT make our decision lightly...Our pediatrician (homeopathic) fully supports our decision, and states that the amount of vaccinations required is overkill. Yes, she's just one Dr in the Dr world, but she's seen the kiddos basically since birth so I have a tendency to trust her.

My oldest is prone to strep, has multiple environmental allergies, gets bronchitis, etc. Her (our ped was NOT our eldest's daughters ped, my parents had her on their insurance and watched her while I worked so she took it upon herself to fully vaccinate her lol) take on my eldest daughter is that her Immune system was basically assaulted by the overload of up to 7 shots at a time, and it affects the immune systems ability to fully develop/mature.

Antibiotics have no real effect on her now (oldest daughter) and she usually has to do a minimum of two rounds if she warrants them. Our other two children (With basically NO vax) have NEVER been on antibiotics (Oldest is 11, then 5, then 2 are their ages), and (knocking on wood, crossing fingers) have not been seriously "ill" like our oldest has.

Coincidence? Possibly..Luck..again..another possibility. But I know what I see and what I witness and that's good enough for me. Most of our 5 y.o's class (K) is also NOT vaccinated...Yet, they seem to miss school less than their vaccinated counterparts.

I understand both sides of the coin, but for us, and seeing what we've seen first hand, well, we've made our decisions. Luckily, Michigan is a no reason needed to explain, they gave me a waiver, I signed it, checked the personal preference box and we were on our way.

I admire the strength, and dedication that those of you who have children w/ autism display. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for those of you that advocate not only for your children, but others that have been affected by it too!

 

[Marthatex]

Pediatricians Say Fictional TV Show's Autism-Vaccine Link Could Be Literally Lethal

The American Academy of Pediatrics wants television network ABC to cancel the opener of "Eli Stone," a legal drama slated to debut on Thursday with an episode featuring a mother awarded $5.2 million after a jury finds her son's autism to be caused by a vaccine additive.
Though the additive in "Eli Stone" is named "mercuritol," it's clearly a proxy for thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative.
snip
“A television show that perpetuates the myth that vaccines cause autism is the height of reckless irresponsibility on the part of ABC and its parent company, The Walt Disney Co.,” said Renee R. Jenkins, MD, FAAP, president of the AAP. “If parents watch this program and choose to deny their children immunizations, ABC will share in the responsibility for the suffering and deaths that occur as a result.
ABC doesn't plan to cancel the show, but will preface it with a CDC website link and a disclaimer: “The following story is fictional and does not portray any actual persons, companies, products or events.”
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/pediatricians-s.html

I'm really against that for obvious reasons. In countries around the world where they listened to the scares that went around, people stopped getting the vaccines.

Sure enough - incidence of serious illnesses like diphtheria, measles, mumps, and also death rates increased for a while in those countries. Now they have gone back to higher compliance; but some families lost their children.

A movie that helps perpetuate a belief that has yet to be proven by valid studies, which have been completed here and all over the world, yet have YET to link vaccines with autism -is going to do more harm than good IMO. It may be fiction, but since it is scientific it is TEACHING fiction to those easily impressed.

By the way, the flu is really going around here.

 

[CyberLaw]

Just to weigh in on this:

Often people will "grasp" at straws, believe anything said to support their belief and often ignore contrary evidence that does not support their position.

Even with a disclaimer at the start of this show will have no effect on the "belief" system of people who feel that vaccines "do more harm" then good and depend on the rest of the population to "protect" their child.

As far as I am concerned, this show is irresponsible and this could lead to tragic consequences.