Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[Kim Ii]

SEE HOW MERCURY PRODUCES BRAIN DEGENERATION WITH MINIMAL PARTICLES. MADE BY THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY. MERCURY IS IN AMALGAMS (TOOTH CAVITIES) VACCINES AND FISH.

See Below University of Calgary Video/link provided:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/538419/how_mercury_produces_brain_damage/

 

[CyberLaw]

So well let me see: A few "people" propose that mercury causes autism. Ever think that there is "no cover up" no conspiracy, because I still don't see credible research and peer reviewed papers.

But the rest of the scientific community, doctors, researchers contend that there is no cause and effect between vaccines.

Heck, years ago, people thought that they could catch "HIV" from a hand shake, using the same bathroom, etc. The public now knows that is not the case.

I have to see research, credible, peer reviewed research, because all I see is conjecture, speculation and myth. Not fact.

Like I said before: A credible, peer reviewed paper was published in the New England Journal of Medicine which supports the research of vaccines do not cause autism.

So if people choose to believe the "myth" and not get their children vaccinated based on "maybe" could be" might be". Well I can tell you this: There is no speculation children could die without a vaccine. Ask the "parents" of the children who died in England, I am sure if they "could" undo their decision not to vaccinate their child they would. You see they could go back and change their decision to save the life of their child. But of course, the decision was made by the parents "in the best interest" of the child. But the child would not have "died" from the vaccine, but did died without the vaccine.

A child will never be able to set foot outside of the States, Heck a child may not be "safe" from diseases which are preventable in the States. A child goes out into the world unprotected against deadly diseases, which could strike at any time, any where, any place. That is why I choose protection against disease, vs. speculation against vaccine.

So show me the research from credible, published, peer review research papers. Not opinion of a few "rouge" professors, doctors, but a consensus amongst professionals.

 

[Details]

A conspiracy theory can never be disproven. Every credible, peer reviewed study can show the opposite, but anyone who contradicts the conspiracy theory must just be in on the conspiracy.

 

[Kim Ii]

No conspiracy theory here. I have the FOIA documentation which PROVES the medical establishment, or some within its ranks, KNEW of the link vis-a-vis Thimerosal and autism, but kept it quiet. I have the transcript of a conversation which took place during a secret meeting within which a physician states that HIS grandson will NOT receive any vaccine which contains mercury, all the while, participating in a conversation/meeting which proceeds to hide this fact from the American public.

Dr. Russell Blaylock speaks of this particular meeting in an article he has written, which is now all over the Internet. You can find it by simply Googling in his name.

People have got to quit thinking that the CDC, NIH, the American Academy of Pediatrics are some sort of savior groups, truly out to save them. There are truly good people working for these entities, mark my words, but the complexity of this issue and the insidious way in which this cover-up has taken place, would take up too much space here.

Please read David Kirby's book for future reference. There is a group of parents mentioned in David's book who were instrumental in linking mercury to autism...one parent was/is a scientist. ALL these people had children who were suffering somewhere on the autism spectrum -- parents of these children who were/are medical researchers, scientists -- intelligent parents who wanted/needed some answers. They found them...and when they did, they started banging on the doors of the hallowed halls of the CDC for some answers.

If you want to call hiding the facts and covering up this issue a conspiracy, then I guess that's what you'd have to call it. I call it the way I see it...it's a darn cover-up and it's about time the curtain comes down and the 'wizard' is exposed for what it is.

 

[Kim Ii]

Study links vaccines containing mercury with autism:

LINK here: http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_n...y+with+autism&event=org_news_print_list_item;

SNIP:

..."Adverse vaccine reactions are by law required to be reported to VAERS with a VAERS group that specifically analyzes and has published numerous peer-reviewed epidemiologic studies based upon examination of the VAERS database. The CDC has made official vaccine policy recommendations based upon epidemiological assessments of the VAERS. For example, the withdrawal of the rotavirus vaccine back in 1999 following numerous reports of intussussception following rotavirus vaccine to the VAERS database."

“It appears that the US CDC can analyze and publish epidemiological assessments of the VAERS database, but when independent researchers such as us, publish conclusions based upon epidemiological assessments of the VAERS database, that the CDC does not agree with, than according to the US CDC the VAERS becomes an unacceptable database to draw epidemiological conclusions from.”

“In quickly examining those who claim to dispute our results and others that have reported an association between Thimerosal and autism, they claim to not understand why autism increased in the US during the 1990s (as Thimerosal was increased in US vaccines), they claim to not understand why autism decreased in the US during the early 2000s (as Thimerosal was decreased in US vaccines), they claim to not understand why when comparing children that received additional doses of mercury from Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine in comparison to Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine those children that received Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines were at increased risk of developing autism, and they claim to not understand numerous recent clinical, biochemical, genetic, molecular, etc. studies that support the ability of Thimerosal from vaccines administered in the US to occasion autism.”

“Based upon the fact that all the previous observations have one simple and transparent explanation, namely that Thimerosal was causing autism in the US, and those who purported dispute the link have no cohesive explanation for the phenomena observed, one must seriously considered that Thimerosal was a cause of autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders in the US.”

"The authors conclude their paper with, “From the data presented here and other emerging data, it appears clear that additional research should be undertaken concerning the effects of mercury exposure, particularly from TCVs.”

"According to wikipedia.org, “Mark R. Geier, MD, PhD, is a medical doctor based in Silver Spring, Maryland, who also holds a doctorate in genetics and is board-certified in medical genetics and forensic medicine. He was a researcher at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for ten years, and previously was a professor at Johns Hopkins University. He has studied vaccines for more than 30 years and has published over 50 peer-reviewed papers on vaccine safety, efficacy, contamination and policy. He has authored over 90 publications and has made several presentations to the Institute of Medicine (IOM) on the adverse effects of vaccinations. He and his son, David Geier, are the only independent researchers ever to have been permitted to study the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) database of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).”

"US health agencies have uniformly rejected the conclusions of the Geiers' studies, and one of the Geiers' articles was the subject of heavy criticism by the American Academy of Pediatrics. Geier says public health officials are “just trying to cover it up.” On the other hand, “Mercury in Medicine Taking Unnecessary Risks”, a report prepared by the staff of the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, House Committee on Government Reform, Chaired by Dan Burton, was published in the Congressional Record in May, 2003, stated:"

“However, the Committee upon a thorough review of the scientific literature and internal documents from government and industry did find evidence that thimerosal did pose a risk. Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding the lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the sharp rise of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. Our public health agencies’ failure to act is indicative of institutional malfeasance for self-protection and misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry.”

SOURCE: Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

 

[Kim Ii]

CDC KNEW OF LINK WITH MERCURY TO AUTISM

LINK to article: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/02/17/cdc_knew_mercury_in_vaccines_induces_autism.htm;

And a snip:

..."The preservative is called thimerosal, and it contains mercury, a known neuro-toxin. Until just a few years ago, children who received a full schedule of vaccinations were injected with mercury in amounts far exceeding EPA guidelines. Bradstreet says some children's bodies just can't handle the onslaught of the toxin."

"There are children who don't detox heavy metals well.. the more mercury we expose them to the more problems they're going to have," Bradstreet says."

"The growing controversy over thimerosal has contributed to its removal from many childhood vaccines, beginning in the late 1990's. But it is still present in some vaccinations, including virtually all flu shots."

"The Centers for Disease Control published a study last fall repudiating any possible link between thimerosal and developmental problems like autism in children. However, First Coast News has obtained non-published documents that show the CDC DID have data supporting such a link-- but kept it from the public."

"Documents released through the Freedom of Information Act, detail the transcript of a meeting held in June of 2000 between members of the CDC, the FDA, and representatives from the vaccine industry."

"The group discusses the results of a February 2000 study that finds a significant association between exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines, and developmental issues like autism in children."

"Some of the comments--"

"There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest we've got a serious problem."

"My gut feeling? It worries me. I don't want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what's going on."

"We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits."

"Finally--"

"We have asked you to keep this information confidential."

"And that's what happened. Three years later, the CDC published a study in the November 2003 issue of "Pediatrics" contradicting the earlier results, and clearing thimerosal of any link to neurological problems in children."

"I just feel pretty strongly they haven't been honest in analyzing the problem."

"So says Florida Congressman David Weldon, a physician. Weldon sent a letter to the head of the CDC in October of 2003, charging that data was selectively used in the "Pediatrics" study to make the earlier evidence of a mercury-autism connection disappear. He also asked for another review of the data. The CDC has not yet officially responded to Weldon's request."

"Where there's smoke there's fire.. and when you see people reluctant to investigate things properly, it makes you think they really don't want to investigate things properly," he says."

 

[Kim Ii]

Congressman Dave Weldon on the mercury/vaccine issue here:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/congressman_dave_weldon.htm

 

[Pandora]

What I find interesting is what happens when these kids grow up with no vaccinations and then decide to join the military! (I saw it happen with several of my former students.) They have to have ALL of the vaccines in a VERY SHORT period of time. There have been no complications for them (the ones I know personally) other than the fact that the rant at their parents for not having them get the shots earlier!

 

[Amraann]

What I find interesting is what happens when these kids grow up with no vaccinations and then decide to join the military! (I saw it happen with several of my former students.) They have to have ALL of the vaccines in a VERY SHORT period of time. There have been no complications for them (the ones I know personally) other than the fact that the rant at their parents for not having them get the shots earlier!

The military gives out extra vaccines to all its members.
Whats really scary is that the people receiving them don't even know what all they are getting vaccines for.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

What I find interesting is what happens when these kids grow up with no vaccinations and then decide to join the military! (I saw it happen with several of my former students.) They have to have ALL of the vaccines in a VERY SHORT period of time. There have been no complications for them (the ones I know personally) other than the fact that the rant at their parents for not having them get the shots earlier!

Have you ever heard of "Gulf War Syndrome"? As soon as the Anthrax Vaccine became a possible cause, it suddenly became an "all in your head" myth disease. (sorta like what many people who never lived with an autistic child think about autism.)

 

[Kim Ii]

Pandora/All,

Not ALL children/babies/adults will have the same propensity to reactivity as do the children who are now suffering on the autism spectrum because of reactions due to vaccination. Immune systems are complicated; there is much diversity from one immune system to another as to how one's immune system can HANDLE the various toxicities accumulated via blood brain barrier, etc.

The children who have the most trouble with vaccination suffer from an acute inability to EXCRETE HEAVY METALS FROM THEIR SYSTEMS. Not all children, obviously, have this issue.

Just because you may know of several children/adults who 'seemingly' handle the vaccines well, does NOT mean, however, that their immune systems are completely free from damage. Acute illness, such as respiratory disease/asthma, and other chronic disease/illness are being linked to vaccines.

This is a really complicated issue and deserves more than what I can give the time to, here. But suffice to say that those children, as our own son, who have suffered so much due to vaccination, are those children who apparently are not able to excrete the heavy metals from their systems appropriately. This is why you will see mercury accumulated in various organs/brains of these children...hence, the severe impairment in the speech/language areas, etc. This buildup also affects these children's behavior, which is why you see the behavioral issues with these children as well.

Dr. Stephanie Cave has written an excellent book re: this issue.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

From what I have read there is a link between the age of the child's father and the risk of being autistic. The older the father the higher the risk. Just as the age of the mother can be a risk factor for Downs.

In that case, 25 is too old for a man to father a child then!

 

[Kim Ii]

I hope folks reading this thread take the time to read through the below post.

This was a three month investigation re: MERCURY IN CHILDHOOD VACCINES, conducted by journalist Valeri Williams of WFAA-TV Dallas.

Here's the link to her investigation results:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache...in+vaccines&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=;

Here is a Snip:

Vaccine Preservative’s Effects May Have Been Known

By Valeri Williams / WFAA-TV Dallas

<http://www.mercola.com/2002/jun/5/thimersol.htm>

"For decades, half of all childhood vaccines contained a chemical preservative called thimerosal. It is made from mercury, one of the most poisonous substances on Earth".

"News 8 has spent the past three months investigating claims that government regulators and some pharmaceutical companies knew of the dangers, but never told the public."

"From the outset, it must be stressed that this report is not anti-vaccination. Every person interviewed for this story believes in the importance of having children immunized. Rather, the focus is on the possible link between thimerosal and neurological disorders."

"But, can we unilaterally assume that vaccinations are good, when the government is this criminally negligent?"

"Before the 1990s, 1 in 10,000 children were diagnosed with autism. But in the past decade, as the government has increased the number of Mandatory Vaccines, some recent studies suggest the rate of autism has risen to 1 in about 250 children." (Kim - Note: This number has now risen to 1 in 150.)

"So how much mercury are we talking about? Approximately 12 out of the 18 vaccine doses the average American child receives before the age of two contain thimerosal. Cumulatively, that’s more than 200 micrograms of mercury, which would fit on the head of a pin. According to the EPA, dropping that pin-head of mercury into 23 gallons of water would make it unsafe for human consumption. “Think about the idea of injecting your own child with levels of mercury that are thirty to forty times what’s considered safe for an adult,” Dallas attorney Andy Waters said. “And, I think if any human being thinks about that very long, they recognize that this is something that never should have happened.”

"Dr. Boyd Haley is the Chairman of the Chemistry Department at the University of Kentucky. He’s one of the nation's leading experts on mercury poisoning and has studied thimerosal in vaccines."

"Thimerosal “is one of the most toxic compounds I know of,” Haley said. “I can’t think of anything that I know of is more lethal.”

"Two years ago, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conducted a study, which showed that three-month-old babies exposed to just 63 micrograms of mercury -- less than half of the aforementioned pin top -- were two-and-a-half times more likely to develop autism. The study is stamped “Confidential” and “Do Not Copy or Release”. Siegel says it was never made public because it was just a draft."

“Until they’re final, and are ready for publication, they’re always considered a draft, not to be widely distributed,” Siegel said. “This preliminary information could be distributed, and that could do harm”. So why was it marked “Confidential, Do Not Release”, rather than a simple “Draft”?

"Subsequently, the CDC did release a report to the public, but the findings were much different. The new study was amended with different data which lowered the autism rate."

"Dr. Sidney Baker has reviewed both reports. Baker has authored six medical books, and written scores of articles on childhood behavior and autism."

Baker is critical of the CDC study.

“I can’t imagine that smart people could possibly have re-arranged the data the way they were done, and represented the data the way they were done, without doing it on purpose and with the express purpose, as you say, of a coverup,” Baker said."

"Baker treats hundreds of autistic patients each year from around the country. He suspects about half of the children he sees have been affected by thimerosal from their vaccines."

"Baker said the CDC’s refusal to release raw data from the study for outside experts to evaluate - a standard protocol in medical research - is helping to fuel the controversy."

"Under pressure from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC, pharmaceutical companies agreed to stop manufacturing vaccines containing thimerosal in March 2001. But while production may have ceased, vaccine vials already containing Thimerosal were not recalled."

 

[Maybe So]

In that case, 25 is too old for a man to father a child then!

Um, no, that's not what it means at all. It just means they found a correlation between the age of the fathers and the number of cases found in their children in one study.

If immunizations cause autism then why don't older children ever suddenly develope Autism? I never heard of say a 10 year old becoming Autistic after
recieving an immunization. Why would that be?

Lots of children used to be left blind, crippled and mentally retarded before immunizations came along. Do you think that would be better? The only reason some can get away with not immunizing is because so many of the rest of us do immunize. If everyone stopped it would only be a matter of time before Polio, smallpox and diptheria outbreaks would come back.

 

[Taximom]

Maybe So, I can't find the documentation now but I've read that the problem lies in giving young babies and children these immunizations while their brains and immune systems are still developing. Once developed (for the most part) the chances of a problem are much less.

Does that make sense? I'll look later tonight for that info, if you'd like.

 

[Maybe So]

Maybe So, I can't find the documentation now but I've read that the problem lies in giving young babies and children these immunizations while their brains and immune systems are still developing. Once developed (for the most part) the chances of a problem are much less.

Does that make sense? I'll look later tonight for that info, if you'd like.

Ah, I see where you are coming from. But wouldn't there be at least one case of an immune difficient older child becoming suddenly autistic after getting a flu shot or something?

My stand however is that even if immunizations do cause Autism I would still get my child immunized because most of the illnesses vacinated against can also cause severe brain damage, physically cripple and even kill.

I have much sympathy for any parent of a child with Autism....but an Autistic child isn't going to spread Autism throughout his school or community. The same cannot be said for a child who contracts small pox, meningitis, german measles, diptheria, whooping cough, mumps or polio. That child will most likely spread it to many others during his illness.

Immunizations may harm a few, I cannot say that I know for sure, but they help many many thousands more than they harm. So you have to ask yourself. Do you want to take the slight risk that your child may be harmed by the vacines or the almost certain risk that your child will get one or several life threatening diseases in his lifetime and most likely pass them on to his family, friends and schoolmates?

 

[csds703]

Ah, I see where you are coming from. But wouldn't there be at least one case of an immune difficient older child becoming suddenly autistic after getting a flu shot or something?

My stand however is that even if immunizations do cause Autism I would still get my child immunized because most of the illnesses vacinated against can also cause severe brain damage, physically cripple and even kill.

I have much sympathy for any parent of a child with Autism....but an Autistic child isn't going to spread Autism throughout his school or community. The same cannot be said for a child who contracts small pox, meningitis, german measles, diptheria, whooping cough, mumps or polio. That child will most likely spread it to many others during his illness.

Immunizations may harm a few, I cannot say that I know for sure, but they help many many thousands more than they harm. So you have to ask yourself. Do you want to take the slight risk that your child may be harmed by the vacines or the almost certain risk that your child will get one or several life threatening diseases in his lifetime and most likely pass them on to his family, friends and schoolmates?

I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me. If you lived with an autistic child, and could have saved this child from a lifetime of issues, you would never make that statement. It is devastating for the child to live with, and heartbreaking for the family.

Personally, I do not have a real feel for or against vaccines causing autism.
I have read too many conflicting studies and haven't made up my mind.
I do know that if I knew my child were at risk, I would never allow the vaccine.

 

[Kim Ii]

I used to wholeheartedly believe in the vaccine program...I really did.

I had a very good friend, years ago, way before I met my husband, who started informing me about the hazards of vaccination. I listened carefully, but since I was still single and didn't know anything, really, about this whole issue, I chalked it away for future reference. Never in my wildest imagination did I ever think the words/information she had shared with me, would come back to haunt me. In fact, I even criticized this friend of mine, to another mutual friend of ours, about the fact that this friend would not vaccinate her second son (her first son had been fully vaccinated by age 5, but he was also experiencing learning disorder issues). Her second son, not vaccinated at all, is considered a genius, with an IQ of 165...

ANYWAY...then I met Jeff, my husband, and the rest, as they say, is history. We had our beautiful little boy, dutifully vaccinated him on schedule, with few questions asked. OMG...what a mistake this has turned out to be.

I will ALWAYS live with the guilt that I should have researched the issue PRIOR to vaccinating our beautiful young son. If I had done my research, I would have known that our families on both sides, had severe allergy issues and several children had learning disorder issues. I mean, truthfully, we researched where we should take our car for tune-ups with more diligence, than we did THIS. That's because we have all been conditioned to fully accept and believe that the so-called medical authorities KNOW BEST...that they know better than we do what's best for us and our children.

Well, turns out...they don't. Never in my wildest imagination did I think I would ever be one of those that 'don't trust our government,' or 'don't trust our medical authorities.' But when I say I do my research, I MEAN IT. I research thoroughly. I interview people, I email them...I read and read and read everything I can get my hands on. I am a voracious reader and can speed-read with the best of them. To my dismay, what I have uncovered through my research made me weep. I honestly thought that I would uncover the fact that our government was telling us the truth about this issue and that the other horror stories I would hear from parents was simply parents who had become paranoid with no reasonable justification.

I WAS SO WRONG. Story upon story upon story from parents whose children were suffering horribly after having been vaccinated. And guess what -- many of these children suffered the same side effects as our son did to the whole cell DPT vaccine.

Moms and Dads who have children in our school district will come up to me after I have spoken to our School Board re: this issue and will tell me how LUCKY we are that Ryan is not as damaged as their children.

Well, let me tell you. It isn't luck, my friends. We QUIT vaccinating our son at the age of six months because we KNEW that something was horribly wrong with him after each round of shots. We KNEW in our hearts that the vaccines were damaging our beautiful little boy...an infant who scored 9/10 on the Apgar scale after birth.

So, after countless interviews with physicians, researchers, scientists, teachers, school board members, friends, parents, etc., we find ourselves doing the complete 180 on this issue.

But that's our story. Don't take our word for it. Do your own research and arrive at your own conclusions. But you just cannot trust what the CDC and other government entities will try to tell you. I can't stress this enough. DIG DEEP...keep an open, objective mind as you perform your own research.

I did. And I'm glad I did. Ryan still has his LD issues and will be attending a private high school next Fall for LD students. It's his only shot at receiving a high school diploma. We have just found out our school district has been fake grading our son all these years. They had him making the Honor Roll, even though he has reading comprehension issues. They have NEVER done for him through the IDEA 2004/NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT what they should have done for him. He has never been given a laptop for his dysgraphia...oh gosh, the list just goes on and on as to what they've NOT done for him.

We are now working with other LD parents in this district to file a huge Non-Compliance Complaint with the California Department of Education re: this issue. It's been a living nightmare.

EDUCATE BEFORE YOU VACCINATE. You might find a few surprises there...enough said.

 

[Pandora]

Have you ever heard of "Gulf War Syndrome"? As soon as the Anthrax Vaccine became a possible cause, it suddenly became an "all in your head" myth disease. (sorta like what many people who never lived with an autistic child think about autism.)

Actually, I have heard of "Gulf War Syndrome." There are several thoughts about what may have caused it. The Anthrax vaccine is one possibility, but so is the aspartame in diet soft drinks left to boil in the middle eastern sun prior to the soldiers drinking it. There are other possibilities as well. So far, I don't believe they've pinpointed it. That's another thread.
Part of the problem is that anyone and everyone can manipulate data to prove their points of view--and they have. To clarify: "they" meaning all of those published--I am NOT throwing stones at anyone on the board.

 

[Taximom]

Ugh, Pandora, I've read about aspartame in the heat as well. I'm so sorry our troops are drinking that (and your average person that leaves theirs in the car in warm weather).

I'm allergic to it, so I've known about aspartame since the little gumballs came in the mail. I think aspartame should be looked at as far as GWS is concerned. I can't believe the FDA approved it. In the beginning you weren't able to cook with aspartame. I'm not sure if that's ever been approved, but you can still drink liquids with it after it's been heated. It's a real shame.

Anyway, that's another thread which I believe is around here somewhere!