Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[southcitymom]

....You should also know you need to always use what's referred to as people first language because people are not defined by their classification. You should say children with Autism not Autistic children and child with mental retardation not mentally retarded child. They are people first.

This may be nitpicky and I surely believe that people and children are people and children first and not their classification, BUT I find the "people first language" to be a little oversensitive.

If I am telling a story, I might write or talk about a white man and a black woman and a Jewish friend and an autistic child...this doesn't mean I am putting an adjective in a place of more importance than a human. I'm just adding a description. "White woman" is not a less respectful way of saying "woman with white skin" IMHO.

On the topic, if they allow people not to vaccinate their children for religious reasons, anyone should be allowed to make that choice based on any reason.

Both my kids are vaccinated, but I don't have super strong feelings one way or another. I think the diseases that scarred, maimed and killed people years ago are more distressing to think about than the risk factors of vaccinations. Had my child reacted badly to a vaccination, I might have a different opinion.

 

[southcitymom]

The flu shot is generated from the previous years strain of the flu. The flu strain changes every single year, so the chances of the flu shot actually being effective are slim.

It is made with thimerosol, or MERCURY, which is extremely toxic. The effects are irreversible. The so called benefits do not outweigh the risks involved.

I am a health care worker, based in the Emergency Department of a large hospital. My employer offers free flu shots to all employees. I NEVER get one, and the vast majority (95&#37 of my coworkers don't either. It's because we know the risks involved. The majority of medical personnel steer clear of these "flu" shots.

Interesting. I've never had a flu shot and never gotten a flu shot for my kids. I've always thought flu shots were silly and unneccesary and not particularly effective. Are they gonna come up with "cold" shots next....? I kind of feel the same way about vaccinations from chicken pox.

 

[reb]

linasK.. soo.. you don't mind being injected with mercury, then....?

 

[Marthatex]

Eleven.. wow,, very interesting.. and from a medical professional! Thank you for sharing that. I have always felt queasy about flu shote.. or anything the authorities pressure you (usually with FEAR) to get. That whole "Well.... you don't want to get SICK,, do you??" NO.. of foucrse not. That's whay I have an IMMUNE SYSTEM!! AND I keep it healthy. I would much sooner trust my immune system than the stupid govt to tell me what's best. Who knows what's in those shots... I don't trust them as fas as I can spit. And once again,, MERCURY????? WHY?? WHY ? WHY????

WHo in their right mind would KNOWINGLY allow someone to inject MERCURY into themselves or their child?

My brother became severely mentally retarded around age 2 or 3. (They think he was born normal, but it's impossible now to determine). Who knows if it was caused by a shot,, probably not.. but sometimes I wonder.

Not that I am totally convinced by conspiracy theories.. and yes, of course I know that it would not be nice to die of the measles, mumps, polio, etc.... but still. I do NOT understand why we need to be injecting people with mercury (if it was outlawed in children's vaccines, then why is it still in flu shots??)... and I do NOT understand the reasons why all of a sudden everyone is supposed to have a flu shot. I have no reason NOT to think that big powerful pharmaceutical companies are behind the whole 'flu shot' craze.
And, can someone give me another explanation for the sharp rise in autism?? since.. supposedly, it's been 'proven' that there is no link?? Funny... why are so many thousands of parents 100% convinced there is?

We get alot more Mercury just from breathing the air, than from shots. Coal plants are one of the worst offenders. We have all kinds of chemicals in our food especially, and even water. We have chemicals in our carpets when we lay new carpet, and other things like paint. We need to try to minimize these as much as we can; any of these could affect a susceptible child or adult IMO.

My son when young got very, very sick from the flu. It was scary. I also have had it years ago, you can hardly get out of bed for a week.

We fortunately have had light flu years the last few years, but that's partly because more people are being vaccinated so there are fewer people to spread the flu if it breaks out.

I just went to a flu clinic at the grocery store; it was well run, and I asked about the mercury and he gave me a choice of a low mercury shot or regular.

 

[LinasK]

linasK.. soo.. you don't mind being injected with mercury, then....?

I make sure the ones we get do not have mercury in them. My daughter is not autistic, and I don't want her getting the flu. We've been through the stomach flu twice in two years with her, most recently two weeks ago- spent about 4 hours in the ER department, not fun!
Especially when the stupid ER doc who was just trying to cover her bases insisted on an unnecessary urine sample from her- extra money we have to spend, and try to get a cup under a little girl with an empty bladder!
The doc wanted to rule out a UTI, when DD had no symptoms of a UTI whatsoever, and I told her the stomach flu was making its way around my daughter's elementary school class!:doh:
I was first in line I/2 hour early for the grocery store clinic to make sure they wouldn't run out of flu shots!

 

[Marthatex]

No one knows what causes autism, so why aren't beets being blamed? Maybe it's schoolyard asphalt? Maybe it's sidewalks?

Unvaccinated kids get autism too, just as much. But unvaccinated kids also catch these deadly diseases, then carry them around to all the vaccinated kids, getting some of them sick (vaccines reduce the risk, they don't eliminate it). I don't want to have to have my daughter sitting next to an unvaccinated child, exposed to the diseases that killed so many children in my grandmother's day.

Unless you homeschool, and isolate yourself entirely, choosing not to vaccinate is not only your choice, your child's risk. It's my child's health you risk as well.]]

That's correct. No doctor can guarantee anything's "perfectly safe" for anyone; reactions do occur; individuals vary. But it may be safe for "most".
Of course taking drugs suddenly off the market, taking all these cough/cold remedies off does make you wonder - the drug companies don't tell the truth about what's been going on sometimes, and finally they chunk the drug when there's a huge lawsuit.

I don't always trust the drug companies, but to be honest I don't think they make much off the flu vaccines, I don't know about others. Doesn't the Federal Government pay a company or two to make the vaccines?

There have been recent studies that still couldn't link autism to the shots; studies have definitely have been going on because parents have been so alarmed about this possiblity.

In a few years, they may find something, but right now Autism remains a mystery as to its cause. One reason proposed for there being more cases, is that is simply noticed and diagnosed more by parents and doctors now.

 

[CyberLaw]

How about facts" Lets just take one disease and compare how many people died before and after immunization.

Tens of thousands of people died from diseases that can be immunized for, tens of thousands of people got very sick. Now a parent has a choice to protect their child. Before immunizations a parent in no way shape or form could protect their child from diseases that could and did easily kill a child. The choice is clear. Go back to the beginning of the century before immunization was available to protect your child, or 2007 when you have a choice to protect your child.

Again I feel autismn is genetic. Hopefully in the years to come, there will be research to support that basis. I do not think unless there is conclusive evidence that immunizations cause autism, then it is not worth the risk to the child, and everyone else that walks the planet. People who do not have have a choice in the developing world, they cannot choose to protect themselves from disease. But parents in the USA "choose", not to immunize.

What about travel, do people decline immunizatons that can prevent Hep A and B, after all tropical countries have this and a person needs an immunization to prevent any HEP infection. You can get HEP from an icecube.

What is a parent going to do then, for the healh of their kids and themselves. I know what I am going to do, protect my family.

 

[CaliKid]

How about facts" Lets just take one disease and compare how many people died before and after immunization.

Tens of thousands of people died from diseases that can be immunized for, tens of thousands of people got very sick. Now a parent has a choice to protect their child. Before immunizations a parent in no way shape or form could protect their child from diseases that could and did easily kill a child. The choice is clear. Go back to the beginning of the century before immunization was available to protect your child, or 2007 when you have a choice to protect your child.

Again I feel autismn is genetic. Hopefully in the years to come, there will be research to support that basis. I do not think unless there is conclusive evidence that immunizations cause autism, then it is not worth the risk to the child, and everyone else that walks the planet. People who do not have have a choice in the developing world, they cannot choose to protect themselves from disease. But parents in the USA "choose", not to immunize.

What about travel, do people decline immunizatons that can prevent Hep A and B, after all tropical countries have this and a person needs an immunization to prevent any HEP infection. You can get HEP from an icecube.

What is a parent going to do then, for the healh of their kids and themselves. I know what I am going to do, protect my family.

And it isn't even a child making a decision for him or herself, it's parents making decisions that will affect the quality of life for the child. There is a slight chance your child might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, but there is nothing funny about getting mumps, chicken pox or measles, especially as an adolescent.

 

[CaliKid]

How about facts" Lets just take one disease and compare how many people died before and after immunization.

Tens of thousands of people died from diseases that can be immunized for, tens of thousands of people got very sick. Now a parent has a choice to protect their child. Before immunizations a parent in no way shape or form could protect their child from diseases that could and did easily kill a child. The choice is clear. Go back to the beginning of the century before immunization was available to protect your child, or 2007 when you have a choice to protect your child.

Again I feel autismn is genetic. Hopefully in the years to come, there will be research to support that basis. I do not think unless there is conclusive evidence that immunizations cause autism, then it is not worth the risk to the child, and everyone else that walks the planet. People who do not have have a choice in the developing world, they cannot choose to protect themselves from disease. But parents in the USA "choose", not to immunize.

What about travel, do people decline immunizatons that can prevent Hep A and B, after all tropical countries have this and a person needs an immunization to prevent any HEP infection. You can get HEP from an icecube.

What is a parent going to do then, for the healh of their kids and themselves. I know what I am going to do, protect my family.

And it isn't even a child making a decision for him or herself, it's parents making decisions that will affect the quality of life for the child. There is a slight chance your child might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, but there is nothing funny about getting mumps, chicken pox or measles, especially as an adolescent.

 

[Texana]

The only vaccine containing thimerosal is the flu vaccine, and you can request it without that.

I grew up hearing my grandmother tell over and over again about her young siblings dying just before she was born, and how her mother refused to even name her at first, fearful she would die also and it would hurt all the more to have "bonded" with the newborn.

All died of a disease we now immunize against.

 

[Details]

And it isn't even a child making a decision for him or herself, it's parents making decisions that will affect the quality of life for the child. There is a slight chance your child might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, but there is nothing funny about getting mumps, chicken pox or measles, especially as an adolescent.

And it's the parent making a choice for my child as well. When measles finds a cluster of unvaccinated children to infect, they can pass it on to my vaccinated child. And, like many of these other diseases - that can kill my child.


Looking at the before and after is good. Let's be nuts, and attribute every single case of autism to vaccines, even if the child never was vaccinated (obviously I don't believe this to be remotely true). Compare that to the before of so insanely many children dying, and even more being permanently crippled or weakened by polio, measles, mumps, and so on and so forth.

 

[Love_Mama]

Mercury, Thimerosal, was removed from most vaccines in 1999 at the request of the American Academy of Pediatrics. However, it is still in a few vaccines including the one for the Flu.

Hi Spazkat, I know you from the Autism thread. Wasn't it true that even though Thimerosal and Mercury (Don't know if they're the same) was removed from vaccines in 1999 that the Drug companies continued to distribute their huge supply of the tainted vaccine?

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[Marthatex]

Got my flu shot this morning; not feeling bad yet.

 

[Details]

Going for mine soon. Don't want to bring the flu home to kiddo. They're not the most reliable things, but even a decrease in the odds is worth it.

 

[AmandaBrown23]

So many good points!

 

[Spazkat9696]

Hi Spazkat, I know you from the Autism thread. Wasn't it true that even though Thimerosal and Mercury (Don't know if they're the same) was removed from vaccines in 1999 that the Drug companies continued to distribute their huge supply of the tainted vaccine?

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I am pretty sure the vaccines containing thimerosal ( a type of mercury) were not completely removed from the stockpiles being administered until 2001, and it is still in use in the Flu vaccine as well as a few others.

 

[eleven]

I make sure the ones we get do not have mercury in them. My daughter is not autistic, and I don't want her getting the flu. We've been through the stomach flu twice in two years with her, most recently two weeks ago- spent about 4 hours in the ER department, not fun!
Especially when the stupid ER doc who was just trying to cover her bases insisted on an unnecessary urine sample from her- extra money we have to spend, and try to get a cup under a little girl with an empty bladder!
The doc wanted to rule out a UTI, when DD had no symptoms of a UTI whatsoever, and I told her the stomach flu was making its way around my daughter's elementary school class!:doh:
I was first in line I/2 hour early for the grocery store clinic to make sure they wouldn't run out of flu shots!

The flu shot does not protect against the "stomach flu". The stomach flu is a totally different animal from the actual flu.

Also, some of the symptoms of a UTI and/or kidney infection can include abdominal pain, especially in little girls. An ER doc trying to "cover her bases" as you say, isn't "stupid"--it is a very good ER doc. The bad ones are the ones who DON'T try to cover all their bases. The price of a urinalysis isn't much when you consider the alternatives to allowing a possible infection to run rampant undiagnosed and untreated.

 

[Love_Mama]

I am pretty sure the vaccines containing thimerosal ( a type of mercury) were not completely removed from the stockpiles being administered until 2001, and it is still in use in the Flu vaccine as well as a few others.

Hey Spazkat, thanks a million. We never know what is true of not, do we?

I'm old,well not too much. Seventy two now, almost seventy three.
My mother was a Registered Nurse. I was born in 1935. I grew up eating kelp, Sea weed salads........my mom, a Register Nurse was very ahead of her time.

When my school of thought, my sister too.....had children when someone gave them a vacinne....my mom told us to rub it with lemon! How old is that. OMG How old thinking is that! But honestly my mom was RIGHT. In those years' it was a LIVE vacine and very dangerous!


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[pedinurse]

The flu shot does not protect against the "stomach flu". The stomach flu is a totally different animal from the actual flu.

Also, some of the symptoms of a UTI and/or kidney infection can include abdominal pain, especially in little girls. An ER doc trying to "cover her bases" as you say, isn't "stupid"--it is a very good ER doc. The bad ones are the ones who DON'T try to cover all their bases. The price of a urinalysis isn't much when you consider the alternatives to allowing a possible infection to run rampant undiagnosed and untreated.

actually, vomiting and fever in little kids is sometimes reflective of things OTHER than GI bugs... sometimes UTI, could even mean pneumonia... depending on what else is going on. it would depend on what the doctor saw. i'd saw he was a very good ER doctor if he was ruling those things out. don't take that as medical advice... those are just two long and loose tips... but in little kids, vomiting and fever don't always mean GI bugs. he was very smart to get a cup of urine from her, which is really quite inexpensive. :twocents:

 

[reb]

Seems like no one has a definite answer to my questions. Do flu shots contain mercury,, or not? Do children's vaccines contain mercury? I bet most people/parents don't even care or bother to ask... they just do whatever the good doctor tells them to do.