Pastor of mega church says wife has gone away for 1 year...

[SweetT]

Just in case Hope is reading here I just want to say, You are more than the sum of all your past mistakes.

 

[Wednesday80]

Wonder if they read here? A response to a prayer request on his FB. :thud:

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On the Ruth Tucker blogspot blog for Hope Hiley Carpenter (posted a couple of times several pages back), it seemed a person commenting was a member of Ron's church. Please note, I do not know this, I say it *seems* based on the way she (the respondent in the comments) addresses Ruth (the blog owner). I subsequently posted about my inquiry to local law enforcement on Hope's behalf (making it clear I was the one seeking a well-person check, not any other entity such as Websleuths) and I just may have left a link for Ruth (blog owner, concerned for Hope) to come check us out here on Websleuths. I wonder if word is getting around? I've sent similar comments to another blog posted a couple of pages back, that blog being an actual pastor's blog who questions Ron's approach (as well as questioning his own approach for questioning Ron- can you see Ron ever doing that- BEFORE reading here?)

I would LOVE to speak to Ron. I have the theoretical training to extract a non-coerced statement from him that would be very telling of Hope's true whereabouts and her willingness, or lack thereof, at being there, as well as deriving veracity of his claims against her. I'd love the chance to put that theoretical training into practice and he'd really help further my doctoral thesis I started first semester of my graduate (MA) program!

 

[Wednesday80]

Just in case Hope is reading here I just want to say, You are more than the sum of all your past mistakes.

I am a work from home Life Coach (and graduate student and mom) and I use this phrase often- Hope, you certainly are! Also, don't be too quick to own every mistake others try to thrust on you, sometimes it's hogwash!:loveyou:

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I feel like he violated his son and his wife by speaking about them in front of thousands right after they were swept away. He states he had permission from both of them, if true, to what extent? I don't believe he had permission to say what he said. How could anyone trust a person that would do this?

Each one of his supporters should think real hard how they would feel, if he mentioned them by name, in front of the entire church, all over the internet, radio and tv and told everyone confidential things that they said to him.

He has zero right to tell anyone elses story. That includes his childrens and his wifes. It's nobody elses business but theirs and theirs alone to share.

 

[killarney rose]

I posted on the church page and took a screen shot. I'm sure it will be gone quickly! I asked Ron if he could prove his wife is alive and in treatment of her own free will and added to beware of false prophets in end times. Couldn't help myself on that one!

 

[Wednesday80]

Just in case Hope is reading here I just want to say, You are more than the sum of all your past mistakes.

I posted on the church page and took a screen shot. I'm sure it will be gone quickly! I asked Ron if he could prove his wife is alive and in treatment of her own free will and added to beware of false prophets in end times. Couldn't help myself on that one!

w00tw00t! Only so many of those a man like him can stand before he bites the bait and responds!

 

[Tulessa]

Be careful guys. I'm gonna go brush up on the TOS. A t/o would kill me lol.

 

[Tulessa]

Everyone please read. We don't want this thread getting closed, as we are making progress. I think we're ok and be sure to thank the post here in the rules, so the mods will know you have read it. I don't want no ray gun chasing me in my dreams. :floorlaugh:

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[attraversiamo]

According to Ron's personal fb - someone has informed him his account has been hacked - someone is sending messages pretending to be him.

:scared:

How do they know it's not Ron?

[sorry if someone already posted this, i'm partially occupied atm so not entirely up to date on the thread]

eta: the post did actually get a response from ARC tho!

 

[Tulessa]

According to Ron's personal fb - someone has informed him his account has been hacked - someone is sending messages pretending to be him.

:scared:

How do they know it's not Ron?

[sorry if someone already posted this, i'm partially occupied atm so not entirely up to date on the thread]

ChaChing!! They don't. I read that too and thought, *hth do they know?*

 

[Tulessa]

I'm still trying to figure out what the + means after the members names. :floorlaugh:

 

[Gardenlady]

Maybe Johnny Paycheck's Satin Sheets ditty fits Hope's mindset these past few years.

Had to look up the lyrics but... :lol: I HOPE that's what she's been up to! :lol:

 

[attraversiamo]

I'm still trying to figure out what the + means after the members names. :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:

it took me a while too!

:loveyou:

 

[SweetT]

ChaChing!! They don't. I read that too and thought, *hth do they know?*

Maybe cause he answered someones prayer request.

 

[attraversiamo]

Maybe cause he answered someones prayer request.

:drumroll:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[killarney rose]

Everyone please read. We don't want this thread getting closed, as we are making progress. I think we're ok and be sure to thank the post here in the rules, so the mods will know you have read it. I don't want no ray gun chasing me in my dreams. :floorlaugh:

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I sure dont want a TO, plus, I really don't want to draw attention to my real self to those ....people.....KWIM? So that was my one and only foray into that crowd.

 

[Tulessa]

:floorlaugh:

it took me a while too!

:loveyou:

Well, what does it mean? :floorlaugh: :loveyou:

 

[Tulessa]

I'm also following the Macneill trial.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I did not read any posts.. Just the OP so maybe we can get to the meat of this..

I think that he is shameful for airing her dirty laundry and that is not any more Christian like than what he alleges are her crimes...

He should step down. He should back off and he should be asking for forgiveness for his part in this.

 

[SwampMama]

Interesting that Ron says the first affair was confessed to him right when they got their new 5 million dollar building (and really expanded the church to megasize with a building to proclaim their arrival into prosperity). That huge building was probably an obsession for him and no doubt his focus was pretty much on that for years. He was living and breathing the prosperity gospel 24/7.

And isn't that just when he said Hope was supposedly having an affair? Could there be a connection. With his obsession with working and traveling all over the country, she was left alone to create a world of her own.

For instance, In the badly written article in "Destiny Magazine" in 2008 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/10046833/Destiny-Summer-08-Online) Hope said "he Ron) will call Carol and say, “will you set an appointment with my wife today I need to take her to lunch.

Ok, seriously, he needs his secretary to set an appointment for lunch with his wife? He can't just call her or ask her in person when he sees her at home? Nope he probably can't because he is never there!

Even when he was poor, he wasn't there. There was another story (somewhere in these threads) about a time when they were young and poor and he came home to find her car packed and her ready to leave. She had had enough of his constantly being absent in the home.

So I call BS on his claim that he has done nothing wrong. Maybe he thinks he can't be faulted with anything that happened since he was never there. But THAT is a huge problem. He abandoned the marriage before she did (if she did).

So basically Hope has mostly been home or raising the Kids and now suddenly she is sent hundreds of miles away for a year? And who will care for the kids ( One is grown, the other two are in their late teens I think, so it's not like they need to be cooked for, bathed, helped with homework, driven places, etc).

I looked up more on this prosperity gospel stuff and one interesting tidbit was "Prosperity churches typically reject Presbyterian polity (or governance) and the idea that a pastor should be accountable to elders; it is common for pastors of prosperity churches to be the highest organizational authority figure" [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology"]Prosperity theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

BBM - so he probably doesn't have to answer to anyone in the church. He may have just had Hope classified as an employee or advisor or whatever and could just "fire" her and have her removed. With her out of the house, he can reclaim his position and declare she abandoned it and it is now his domicile and he could possibly even file a restraining order.

These prosperity types (and the cult type leaders, etc) are very , VERY good at manipulating people. Look how they fleece their flock, gain wealth and promise the same if their flock keeps giving. They don't mind twisting the bible's words to get their way. They are going to get what they want and use God as a reason why they got it or why it happened or why they are right.

Anyhoo, here is an interesting clip about TV Evangelists/prosperity gospel types and how the gov't is interested in their tactics. For instance, apparently God gave Kenneth Copeland a 20 MILIION dollar private plane. (Ain't God good?). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7484662.stm

5 Reasons Why Prosperity Theology is Bankrupt http://blogs.christianpost.com/dear-ephesus/5-reasons-why-prosperity-theology-is-bankrupt-17382/

Why the Prosperity Gospel is Wrong http://www.faithandfinance.org/2011/10/why-the-prosperity-gospel-is-wrong/

Ok, I know I have probably overloaded the thread with this prosperity stuff. But obviously this money is important to Ron. It is his proof that God favors him. I have seen murmurings about how money is going to quickly because a huge part of this whole issue of Ron and Hope. It's important to see the mindset and the factors that drive the Apostle" to do the things he does and how he accomplishes them.