Patsy Ramsey

[Frigga]

Wow- just wow.

 

[TaylurRose02]

It could have been that they were indeed gripping the note and so did not transfer good prints. IT could be that the way they handled it did not leave USABLE prints.
I don't know why people think that there is no possibility she got it herself. My kids go in the fridge and get things all the time without me knowing.

Could? Yes. Likely? No.

In the middle of the night? After the child was fast asleep?

 

[TaylurRose02]

That's how I took it as well. She totally screwed up and then tried to play it that she had been duped by the "evil powerful Ramseys" as a way of justifying her mistake.

She was fired from the force for being a bad cop and then tried to sue them for slander or something. And the courts threw out her case.

She also reached out to Patsy before she died and then tried to spin the whole thing into a book deal.

She's crazy.

Don't go into hurting her character. She made a lot of mistakes. Other officers made a lot of mistakes, the DA made a lot of mistakes, etc... She was left alone in a house full of people running on high emotions. I'm not her biggest fan either, but try to understand how overwhelming it must have felt to be on duty at that time. She didn't "reach out" to Patsy, they became "friends" and she changed her entire memory of December 26th (memory relating to the case).

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Could? Yes. Likely? No.

In the middle of the night? After the child was fast asleep?

The fingerprints could just not be there. Grab something that you are trying to read through panic. What happens? It crinkles up. It could be that there was just not enough there to get a print off of it.

Her prints not being on it only goes more to her not writing it for me. I would think writing it it would have more chance of having prints than not.


Sure to both. I have come out to the kitchen in the morning and seen evidence the kids were in the fridge at night. It is possible. I don't know how the pineapple got there but I know that it makes no difference and that there is no reason for PR to lie about it.

 

[Frigga]

She was put into an impossible situation and a situation that was initially a kidnapping- the Ramsey's were... wait for it... VICTIMS.

She was left without back up and when the situation changed from a kidnapping to a homicide she called for back up that never seemed to come. Is that her fault too?

My eyes would be bugging too if I had been put through what that woman was put through. She was trying to do her job in an impossible situation.

When she asked John to search the house from top to bottom- it was for him to tell if anything was out of place- or missing. She wasn't sending him to find a dead body- the child had been kidnapped for pete sake.

She made mistakes under duress in a situation that changed from one thing to an entirely different thing- a circumstance that completely changed the game- as the perps intended. Isn't that special.

I really think that calling her crazy is uncalled for- personally.

 

[Chewy]

Could? Yes. Likely? No.

In the middle of the night? After the child was fast asleep?

Uh yeah, I have three kids who did this all the time at that age. They'd eat their lunches for school the next day and I'd have to make them all over again. :floorlaugh:

 

[Chewy]

She was put into an impossible situation and a situation initially a kidnapping- the Ramsey's were... wait for it... VICTIMS. She was left without back up and when the situation changed from a kidnapping to a homicide she called for back up that never seemed to come. Is that her fault? My eyes would be bugging too if I had been put through what that woman was put through. She was trying to do her job in an impossible circumstance. When she asked John to search the house from top to bottom- it was for him to tell if anything was out of place- or missing. She wasn't sending him to find a dead body- the child had been kidnapped for pete sake. She made mistakes under duress in a situation that changed from one thing to an entirely different thing- a circumstance that completely changed the game- as the perps intended. Isn't that special.

I really think that calling her crazy is uncalled for- personally.

Uh NOPE. Any professional cop would declare it a crime scene and search the premisis. Period the end. That's COP 101. You're acting like she was a friend who showed up or a therapist or something.

COP 101 The parents are ALWAYS suspects from the get go. The premisis is contained because valuable evidence is there.

Even if she DID think that Jonbenet was kidnapped, you contain the scene. There could be valuable evidence needed down the line that would be tossed out because she let groups of people roam the house.

What professional cop lets two people wander through a crime scene thereby rendering ANY evidence picked up later as inadmissable in court.

Her eyes aren't bugging at the moment, she's got bugged out eyes through the entire interview and is barely coherent. She wasn't a rookie cop with no experience when she arrived.

She screwed up big time. If "containing the crime scene" was "in over her head" then she was a very unprofessional cop.

Former Detective Linda Arndt

Age: 41

The first detective at the Ramsey home the day JonBenét's body was found, Linda Arndt has been blamed by many in the media for crucial mistakes at the crime scene.

Arndt, an 11-year veteran, filed a lawsuit against the police department in 1998 and resigned a year later, saying she "felt a lack of support." She said former Police Chief Tom Koby and current Chief Mark Beckner violated her First Amendment rights, citing a gag order preventing police from talking about the JonBenét Ramsey homicide investigation. She said the police department painted her in a false light, forcing her to shoulder the blame for police mistakes in the case with no ability to defend herself.

U.S. District Judge William F. Downes dismissed the suit in June after an eight-person jury was in the ninth day of hearing testimony. Her attorneys formally appealed the dismissal the following month.

Arndt briefly worked for the University of Colorado. After losing that job, she worked as a tree-trimmer making $8 an hour.

 

[TaylurRose02]

The fingerprints could just not be there. Grab something that you are trying to read through panic. What happens? It crinkles up. It could be that there was just not enough there to get a print off of it.

Her prints not being on it only goes more to her not writing it for me. I would think writing it it would have more chance of having prints than not.


Sure to both. I have come out to the kitchen in the morning and seen evidence the kids were in the fridge at night. It is possible. I don't know how the pineapple got there but I know that it makes no difference and that there is no reason for PR to lie about it.

Her prints not being on it only adds to my belief that she wrote it. I won't even get into the RN. I'm afraid this is just going to be a difference of opinions and the way we perceive things. Your kids are lucky they can eat at night! That would tear my stomach to shreds.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

It's amazing anyone still plays the intruder game.

 

[TaylurRose02]

Uh NOPE. Any professional cop would declare it a crime scene and search the premisis. Period the end. That's COP 101. You're acting like she was a friend who showed up or a therapist or something.

COP 101 The parents are ALWAYS suspects from the get go. The premisis is contained because valuable evidence is there.

Even if she DID think that Jonbenet was kidnapped, you contain the scene. There could be valuable evidence needed down the line that would be tossed out because she let groups of people roam the house.

What professional cop lets two people wander through a crime scene thereby rendering ANY evidence picked up later as inadmissable in court.

Her eyes aren't bugging at the moment, she's got bugged out eyes through the entire interview and is barely coherent. She wasn't a rookie cop with no experience when she arrived.

She screwed up big time. If "containing the crime scene" was "in over her head" then she was a very unprofessional cop.

Any cop wouldn't let family members of the suspects take boxes and boxes of evidence out of the home either. I don't think any of us need to debate how badly the case was handled. I just don't think we should pin it on someone and name call. Not cool!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She was put into an impossible situation and a situation that was initially a kidnapping- the Ramsey's were... wait for it... VICTIMS.

She was left without back up and when the situation changed from a kidnapping to a homicide she called for back up that never seemed to come. Is that her fault too?

My eyes would be bugging too if I had been put through what that woman was put through. She was trying to do her job in an impossible situation.

When she asked John to search the house from top to bottom- it was for him to tell if anything was out of place- or missing. She wasn't sending him to find a dead body- the child had been kidnapped for pete sake.

She made mistakes under duress in a situation that changed from one thing to an entirely different thing- a circumstance that completely changed the game- as the perps intended. Isn't that special.

I really think that calling her crazy is uncalled for- personally.

No. She was put in a position to be a police officer and do her job and she didn't. She couldn't handle it.

She never ever should have sent JR to search. Not alone for sure. It should have been JR and an officer. Not alone.
She messed up big time. DO I feel bad for her? Not really. It was her job to know what to do and to do it right.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Her prints not being on it only adds to my belief that she wrote it. I won't even get into the RN. I'm afraid this is just going to be a difference of opinions and the way we perceive things. Your kids are lucky they can eat at night! That would tear my stomach to shreds.

The problem is, here comes the both ways again.

She wrote it because her fingerprints were not on it, But she left the pad so that it could be found in the house.
That does not work. If she is worried about fingerprints she is going to remove the pad it came from. She is going to get rid of the pen.

It just can not be both ways.

 

[TaylurRose02]

The problem is, here comes the both ways again.

She wrote it because her fingerprints were not on it, But she left the pad so that it could be found in the house.
That does not work. If she is worried about fingerprints she is going to remove the pad it came from. She is going to get rid of the pen.

It just can not be both ways.

She wrote it and her fingerprints weren't on it because she kept them from being on it. Simple as that. She denied knowing where the pad came from, John identified it as theirs. That's in another interview on acandyrose.

 

[gramcracker]

LA wasn't allowed by her superior and commanding officers to perform Cop 101 Basics. the fault lies with those at the top of the food chain who trembled at the idea of offending a wealthy family. in a lower economic class neighborhood all of the extra bodies already there would have been ushered into one room and ordered to stay there and would have been guarded when the first LEOs arrived. anyone else would not have been allowed entry after the LEOs arrived. that's how the cops on scene would have handled it, if permitted to do so

the blame lies with Chief Koby and Cmdr Eller, who didn't assert proper authority from Minute One

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She wrote it and her fingerprints weren't on it because she kept them from being on it. Simple as that. She denied knowing where the pad came from, John identified it as theirs. That's in another interview on acandyrose.

Then why would she tell them she handled it. It makes not sense. She knew her prints would be on it. They are supposed to be on it. She has nothing to hide in having her prints on it. She denied it but left it in the house?

It just is not feasible.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

LA wasn't allowed by her superior and commanding officers to perform Cop 101 Basics. the fault lies with those at the top of the food chain who trembled at the idea of offending a wealthy family. in a lower economic class neighborhood all of the extra bodies already there would have been ushered into one room and ordered to stay there and would have been guarded when the first LEOs arrived. anyone else would not have been allowed entry after the LEOs arrived. that's how the cops on scene would have handled it, if permitted to do so

the blame lies with Chief Koby and Cmdr Eller, who didn't assert proper authority from Minute One

that is a cop out. She is a cop. She knows how to run a scene and it was a kidnapping. There are rules and you follow them. She just could not do the job. IT is a shame but that is what the evidence and timeline from that day tell us.

 

[bettybaby00]

Uh NOPE. Any professional cop would declare it a crime scene and search the premisis. Period the end. That's COP 101. You're acting like she was a friend who showed up or a therapist or something.

COP 101 The parents are ALWAYS suspects from the get go. The premisis is contained because valuable evidence is there.

So if parents are ALWAYS the suspects from the get go, why SMH @ BPD investigators. And from the "the get go" officers were told to treat the family as victims...even after the body was found. And that's exactly the treatment they were given initially. Not cooperating surely wasn't going to make them look innocent to LE, and your personal assertions aside, it's not too hard to see why Investigators would soon raise a collective eyebrow at the Rs behavior.

Even if she DID think that Jonbenet was kidnapped, you contain the scene. There could be valuable evidence needed down the line that would be tossed out because she let groups of people roam the house.

What professional cop lets two people wander through a crime scene thereby rendering ANY evidence picked up later as inadmissable in court.

Mistakes were certainly made, but they weren't all her fault. The fact that her repeated calls for backup were ignored most definitely wasn't her fault.

Her eyes aren't bugging at the moment, she's got bugged out eyes through the entire interview and is barely coherent.

It's been discussed that LA could very well suffer from hyperthyroidism, or Graves disease.

Hyperthyroidism (particularly Graves disease) is the most common cause of bulging eyes. With this condition, the eyes do not blink often and seem to have a staring quality.​

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003033.htm

That's how I took it as well. She totally screwed up and then tried to play it that she had been duped by the "evil powerful Ramseys" as a way of justifying her mistake.

She was fired from the force for being a bad cop and then tried to sue them for slander or something. And the courts threw out her case.

She also reached out to Patsy before she died and then tried to spin the whole thing into a book deal.

She's crazy.

Former Detective Linda Arndt

Age: 41

The first detective at the Ramsey home the day JonBenét's body was found, Linda Arndt has been blamed by many in the media for crucial mistakes at the crime scene.

Arndt, an 11-year veteran, filed a lawsuit against the police department in 1998 and resigned a year later, saying she "felt a lack of support." She said former Police Chief Tom Koby and current Chief Mark Beckner violated her First Amendment rights, citing a gag order preventing police from talking about the JonBenét Ramsey homicide investigation. She said the police department painted her in a false light, forcing her to shoulder the blame for police mistakes in the case with no ability to defend herself.

U.S. District Judge William F. Downes dismissed the suit in June after an eight-person jury was in the ninth day of hearing testimony. Her attorneys formally appealed the dismissal the following month.

Arndt briefly worked for the University of Colorado. After losing that job, she worked as a tree-trimmer making $8 an hour.
​

You keep making accusations about people here working off of rumor, or perpetuating gossip.

She was fired from the force for being a bad cop and then tried to sue them for slander or something. And the courts threw out her case.

Yet you post that she was fired, when she wasn't. I don't blame her for trying to salvage her reputation. She did make mistakes, but she doesn't/didn't deserve having it laid all at her feet.

And accusing people related to the case of profiting from it by writing books is amazing to me when you consider how the Rs announced to the world that they would donate the proceeds of their book(s), lawsuit settlements, and the sale of their house to the foundation set up in their daughters name.

You can't see the info at the Foundation's site as it's been defunct for quite awhile. You can however, check out the tax filings (A Candy Rose), and you'll see what a lie that turned out to be. Nor is there evidence that the Rs ever attempted to live up to their vow of an annual donation of $15,000 into the Foundation, but that's another matter.

 

[Chewy]

She was a bad cop. who didn't want to be held accountable for screwing up. An 11 year veteran telling people to walk through a crime scene is inexcusably incompetent.

 

[DeDee]

Where did the fecal matter reports come from??I would love to see a real report about the fecal matter because so far I have only seen references from a book and people assuming.

Do we have access to actual lab reports? I've seen a partial DNA report and a copy of the AR. I will hunt for reliable sources.

In the meanwhile, this is JRs reaction to Linda Ardnt's interview. March, 2000


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1weSxDOI77s

 

[Frigga]

You know, to me, a bad cop is a rogue cop or a cop on the take- not a cop who made some bad decisions. An 11 year veteran, hmmm. Where is her record of being a "bad cop" for all of those many years? or did she just go bad during the JonBenet Ramsey kidnapping turned murder?