Patsy Ramsey

[DeDee]

"What motivated Patsy to begin preparations at once was the consistently professional and polished calibre of the performances at the national pageant. She realized that being "good" was not "good enough" for an aspiring Miss America. The level of her presentation must be refined and redefined, revised and rehearsed until it was as nearly perfect as possible. After nearly a year of analyzing every inflection, expression and gesture of the characterizations, she continues to search for the smallest glint of an eye or toss of the head that might add dimension to her characterizations.


A certain amount of backstage nervousness is inevitable, says Patsy — even desirable, since it "gets the adrenalin going." But on stage, she says, "I feel very relaxed about my talent. When I say the first few lines and get everyone else in the palm of my hand, then I go into my own little world. It's as if I'm completely alone. I know how large Convention Hall is, how many people there are in the audience. Thinking about it could make you panic. And talent counts 50 per cent in the judging, you know."

 

[Chewy]

You are comparing Patsy's comments about being a "pageant participant" to her interview after finding her daughter brutally murdered.

It's this kind of juxtapositioning that I simply can't wrap my mind around.

This makes sense to you???

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Incorrect.

No it is true. From the medical examiner himself.

 

[Frigga]

The world certainly became her stage after JonBenet was killed- didn't it!

That Patsy... everyone in the palm of her hand after her first few lines.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"What motivated Patsy to begin preparations at once was the consistently professional and polished calibre of the performances at the national pageant. She realized that being "good" was not "good enough" for an aspiring Miss America. The level of her presentation must be refined and redefined, revised and rehearsed until it was as nearly perfect as possible. After nearly a year of analyzing every inflection, expression and gesture of the characterizations, she continues to search for the smallest glint of an eye or toss of the head that might add dimension to her characterizations.


A certain amount of backstage nervousness is inevitable, says Patsy — even desirable, since it "gets the adrenalin going." But on stage, she says, "I feel very relaxed about my talent. When I say the first few lines and get everyone else in the palm of my hand, then I go into my own little world. It's as if I'm completely alone. I know how large Convention Hall is, how many people there are in the audience. Thinking about it could make you panic. And talent counts 50 per cent in the judging, you know."

What does this have to do with her daughter being murdered?
Because maybe we should put all beauty queens on a watch list. They all are egomaniacs to want to be the best of the best. right?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She left it in the house because it was a ransom note she addressed to the family...I'm not understanding why she wouldn't have left it in the house? The point of a ransom note is ransom for whatever has been taken. &How else would she have read the note? No cop is going to buy that she found it and didn't touch it. That just isn't feasible.

"Even more mystifying, the ransom note itself showed no fingerprints or signs of handling, creasing, or damage." That's an excerpt from PMPT which only builds on my conclusion that neither parents fingerprints were found for a reason. If you listen to PR's call to 911 she is absolutely frantic, so in her frantic state of mind they both gently held the ransom note? That doesn't add up. The emotion of fear, which the kidnapping of your child would cause for many parents, causes epinephrine to be released which causes an increase in heart rate, sweating, etc... Again, the clean undamaged note doesn't match up with the emotional state PR called 911 in.

No, she knew her prints wouldn't be on it and probably would blame it on the same thing you did, that they just weren't usable prints. The pad of paper and cup of pens that were used was next to the phone she called 911 on, yet only JR identified it as belonging in the home.
"ST: The note was written from a pad inside the home.
PR: It was?
ST: UH-huh.
PR: Oh, I didn’t know that."

Also on their CNN interview, PR said she only read the note to where it said "we have your daughter" and then ran upstairs to JB's room and screamed for JR. This would contradict with the below interview with Kane...
JOHN RAMSEY: Yes, for a moment. I mean,
10 Patsy said, it says not to call the police. I
11 said, call them anyway. We called them. I mean,
12 there's no question in my mind that that was the
13 right answer.
If PR said she only got through the first couple of sentences, how would she have known that the note said not to call police? Considering the whole first page is rambling about the money. If PR had gone back downstairs to read it her emotions would have matched the panic in her 911 call which I explained earlier which contradicts with the condition the note was found in.

Either way you spin it nothing matches up.

The pad. Why would she leave the pad of paper it came from.

IT is just not possible to have it both ways. If they covered up this brutal crime, they would have gotten rid of everything that implicated them. That is just not the case.

 

[Chewy]

The world certainly became her stage after JonBenet was killed- didn't it!

That Patsy... everyone in the palm of her hand after her first few lines.

Wow.

But poor poor Linda Arndt. How in the world could she recover from seeing a strangers kid dead. Patsy oughta have snapped out of it instantly though...right?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I believe people tend to discount the possibility because both parents do in their 1998 statements. John says he didn't think JBR could open the walk-in fridge door. Patsy says no, JBR wouldn't have gotten the pineapple herself.

I know they say that but that does not mean she would not have done that. If you have kids we all know that we might say our kids would never.. but they do. They all do.

 

[DeDee]

The Charleston Gazette, June 22, 1977

Parkersburg Woman Miss West Virginia

PARKERSBURG - A 20-year-old journalism student at West Virginia University has been selected Miss West Virginia.

Patsy Paugh, a Parkersburg native, will receive a $1,700 scholarship, a $2,000 formal wardrobe and $1,000 casual wardrobe, and a blue fox fur coat for taking top honors in the eighth annual Miss West Virginia competition, held in Parkersburg.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The Charleston Gazette, June 22, 1977

Parkersburg Woman Miss West Virginia

PARKERSBURG - A 20-year-old journalism student at West Virginia University has been selected Miss West Virginia.

Patsy Paugh, a Parkersburg native, will receive a $1,700 scholarship, a $2,000 formal wardrobe and $1,000 casual wardrobe, and a blue fox fur coat for taking top honors in the eighth annual Miss West Virginia competition, held in Parkersburg.

In 1977.. So nearly 20 years before the death of her daughter. And how is this connected? Really?

 

[TaylurRose02]

The pad. Why would she leave the pad of paper it came from.

IT is just not possible to have it both ways. If they covered up this brutal crime, they would have gotten rid of everything that implicated them. That is just not the case.

Where would she put it? IMO she probably left it there for the same reason the body was left in the basement. They couldn't go outside for risk of being seen or heard by neighbors. Hiding it within the house is an even dumber idea because that would make them look guilty of hiding evidence if it was found.

They didn't get rid of everything that implicated them which would be why I believe they are involved. The whole crime was set up to look like something it wasn't. IMO, they counted on the fact that they lived there to cover any evidence found. I don't believe JR is directly involved in the death, just with the cover-up btw.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Where would she put it? IMO she probably left it there for the same reason the body was left in the basement. They couldn't go outside for risk of being seen or heard by neighbors. Hiding it within the house is an even dumber idea because that would make them look guilty of hiding evidence if it was found.

They didn't get rid of everything that implicated them which would be why I believe they are involved. The whole crime was set up to look like something it wasn't. IMO, they counted on the fact that they lived there to cover any evidence found. I don't believe JR is directly involved in the death, just with the cover-up btw.

Where is the murder weapon? Where is the rest of the rope?

You can not have it both ways. They had plenty of time to cover and get rid of things if they killed her. There is nothing else that implicates them. Nothing. Everything else there belongs in the house.

 

[DeDee]

The pad. Why would she leave the pad of paper it came from.

IT is just not possible to have it both ways. If they covered up this brutal crime, they would have gotten rid of everything that implicated them. That is just not the case.

There was no cover up. The CS was not altered by the Ramsey's. Everything found was just as it was meant to be.

Patsy left the pad because there was no where else to put it. She couldn't just hop in the car and drive to a dumpster. She replaced the RN Sharpie back in the orange container that held the Sharpie pens she preferred.

JR did not know. He handed the pad to officers to give them a sample of Patsy's handwriting not realizing his wife wrote the RN from that very pad. It was secreted deep on the inside of the pad before being torn out and placed on the stairs. Patsy's fingerprints were found on the pad in 5 places.

****

THE RANSOM NOTE PAD

Steve Thomas wrote on page 73: "But the next group of pages, 17 through 25, were also missing from the tablet. The following page, 26, was the practice ransom note (Mr. and Mrs. I), and that page showed evidence of ink bleedthrough from the missing page 25."

"Comparisons of the ragged tops of the ransom note pages with the remnants left in the tablet proved that it had come from pages 27, 28, and 29."

****

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Michael Kane in Colorado

NE Book Page 327:

Michael Kane: "...Do you think or have you thought in the last year and a half that someone was trying to frame you for this?"

John Ramsey: "No. The thought crossed my mind, but I think that's the - I didn't give him credit for being that clever."

Michael Kane: "Why not?"

John Ramsey: "Because I think they have left too many clues. They left a ransom note...."

Michael Kane: "No, but I mean in the context of somebody trying to frame you?"

John Ramsey: "I think it's too much of a stretch. If I were going to do that, I wouldn't have handwritten the note, I would have typed it out...I would have done it on a word processor or on a - maybe I wouldn't have left a note at all."

Michael Kane: "Do you feel like if there was no note, the finger would point more to you or less to you? When I say you, I mean your family"

John Ramsey: "Well...that was Patsy's reaction. She said 'Thank God they left a note,' I said, 'What do you mean by that?' She said, 'Well, they left some evidence'... So yeah, I mean I think if somebody was really trying to frame us, it could have been a lot more obvious... but the fact that, okay, maybe there is a few similarities in (Patsy's) writing, that's about it. I mean if somebody is trying to frame you, that's just too - that's too lucky."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There was no cover up. The CS was not altered by the Ramsey's. Everything found was just as it was meant to be.

Patsy left the pad because there was no where else to put it. She couldn't just hop in the car and drive to a dumpster. She replaced the RN Sharpie back in the orange container that held the Sharpie pens she preferred.

JR did not know. He handed the pad to officers to give them a sample of Patsy's handwriting not realizing his wife wrote the RN from that very pad. It was secreted deep on the inside of the pad before being torn out and placed on the stairs. Patsy's fingerprints were found on the pad in 5 places.

****

THE RANSOM NOTE PAD

Steve Thomas wrote on page 73: "But the next group of pages, 17 through 25, were also missing from the tablet. The following page, 26, was the practice ransom note (Mr. and Mrs. I), and that page showed evidence of ink bleedthrough from the missing page 25."

"Comparisons of the ragged tops of the ransom note pages with the remnants left in the tablet proved that it had come from pages 27, 28, and 29."

****

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Michael Kane in Colorado

NE Book Page 327:

Michael Kane: "...Do you think or have you thought in the last year and a half that someone was trying to frame you for this?"

John Ramsey: "No. The thought crossed my mind, but I think that's the - I didn't give him credit for being that clever."

Michael Kane: "Why not?"

John Ramsey: "Because I think they have left too many clues. They left a ransom note...."

Michael Kane: "No, but I mean in the context of somebody trying to frame you?"

John Ramsey: "I think it's too much of a stretch. If I were going to do that, I wouldn't have handwritten the note, I would have typed it out...I would have done it on a word processor or on a - maybe I wouldn't have left a note at all."

Michael Kane: "Do you feel like if there was no note, the finger would point more to you or less to you? When I say you, I mean your family"

John Ramsey: "Well...that was Patsy's reaction. She said 'Thank God they left a note,' I said, 'What do you mean by that?' She said, 'Well, they left some evidence'... So yeah, I mean I think if somebody was really trying to frame us, it could have been a lot more obvious... but the fact that, okay, maybe there is a few similarities in (Patsy's) writing, that's about it. I mean if somebody is trying to frame you, that's just too - that's too lucky."

Sorry, that does not work.

Had the crime scene been staged by the r's they never ever would have gone down for the body and moved her. john would have taken a cop with him to find her as is so that all that work staging was worth it.

IT just does not work..

And excerpts from a national inquirer book? Really?? Just set a match to it.

I would have thought the same thing. They left a note and it is evidence. IT just does not help anyone put forth the theory that she wrote it.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

From Kolar. It's lengthily, but very illuminating:


4057 - 95

Spin much?

What's also so very revealing about this passage is the ever evolving narrative regarding how and when the Rs obtained their lawyers.

Before their daughter's autopsy had even begun, their lawyers were already hard at work. The evolution of how the lawyers were hired is a fascinating read.

IT is not spin. Their friend told them they should get attys that day jbr was found. It is not a mystery. I think especially now that we know how the investigation went, they needed all the help they could get. Attys are not a sign of guilt. They are a sign of rights.

As for Kolar, same category as national enquirer for me.

 

[Chewy]

I think honestly, people who don't have a lot of money don't understand that rich people ALREADY have lawyers that they work with all the time. They didn't need to "go get a lawyer" the way a regular person would. They had to "call someone" which takes about five seconds.



This has always been misconstrued and spun out into drama. John Ramsey was a millionaire, not some average middle class worker who would need to go out and "find a lawyer" and "lawyer up."

He called a friend basically. And the friend who was a lawyer set it up for him and the lawyers stepped in immediately.

 

[Frigga]

"The 10:00 a.m. deadline set forth in the ransom note came and went. John Ramsey had obtained the money, but then John and Patsy Ramsey took no anxious notice when the telephone failed to ring. Didn't it perhaps cross their minds that they had, by violating the terms of the ransom note, sent the kidnappers packing? Did it bother them that if so, and if the kidnappers were true to their word, their daughter would now be beheaded? According to accounts of their behavior, this wasn't on their minds at all."

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"The 10:00 a.m. deadline set forth in the ransom note came and went. John Ramsey had obtained the money, but then John and Patsy Ramsey took no anxious notice when the telephone failed to ring. Didn't it perhaps cross their minds that they had, by violating the terms of the ransom note, sent the kidnappers packing? Did it bother them that if so, and if the kidnappers were true to their word, their daughter would now be beheaded? According to accounts of their behavior, this wasn't on their minds at all."

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

How they heck does anyone one know what they were thinking? The more stuff that people put forward that has to do with other people being psychic or just getting a feeling just underminds the whole theory.

EVeryone who has a child that has been kidnapped is going to call the police and the fbi. everyone. That is just a fact.

Behavior only matters when there is evidence to match it up. People don't get arrested on behavior after a crime.

Show me evidence. Real evidence.

 

[Frigga]

Patsy's failure to wait for help from law enforcement to arrive, which it did in a matter of minutes, before recklessly filling her house with friends brings into doubt her belief in the authenticity of the ransom note. Parents of any child they genuinely believed to have been kidnapped surely know that the presence of all these people would contaminate the crime scene. They had watched the spectacle of the O.J. Simpson trial where the Los Angeles Police Department's laboratory was called a "cesspool of contamination." Did the parents not know their crowded house would bring into doubt any evidence pointing to the criminal intruder, one who would soon be sought as a murderer? The precipitous violation of all the terms of the ransom note raises the question of the parents' knowledge that the child was not in the possession of a "small foreign faction." Common sense suggests no residential crime of breaking and entering, nor that her parents thought their daughter was merely endangered, but that they knew she was in fact dead. Or, were they shrewdly, rather than carelessly, creating a botched crime scene?


http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter-...c-Miller.shtml

 

[Frigga]

The Ramseys provided Officer Rick French, the first Boulder Police Officer on the scene, with the ransom note. "Note" hardly describes the 376 words of this two and one-half page document. Unlike a typical ransom note, it was a letter full of personality, and anything but foreign in its phraseology. The letter grows immensely personal in its final sentences with,
"Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think
that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John. Use that good southern
common sense of yours. It is up to you now John!"

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter-...c-Miller.shtml