Patsy Ramsey

[Frigga]

The Grand Jury voted to indict Ms. Patsy on the evidence presented. Remember?

 

[Frigga]

Something that really gets to me, in regard to Patsy is how she was known for her volunteer work and philanthropy when she immersed herself in Boulder, as a resident. Organizing, fund raising, making things happen in her children's schools, their community and at church. She never once used that same dogged determination to do any such legitimate enterprise for her beloved, murdered little girl. Not. one. single. thing. Don't even mention the hollow front of a 'charity', or the fact that she made a huge personal profit from the books sold. "Keep your children close" my arse.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Something that really gets to me, in regard to Patsy is how she was known for her volunteer work and philanthropy when she immersed herself in Boulder, as a resident. Organizing, fund raising, making things happen in her children's schools, their community and at church. She never once used that same dogged determination to do any such legitimate enterprise for her beloved, murdered little girl. Not. one. single. thing. Don't even mention the hollow front of a 'charity', or the fact that she made a huge personal profit from the books sold. "Keep your children close" my arse.

Yep, I bet if JonBenet was killed by an intruder, Patsy would have started a foundation, served on the board of an existing organization like NCMEC, spoke to Congress, maybe even became a TV commentator.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I do not believe that parents of murdered children have to do anything. Once your child is gone you have given all you can give. She was also battling cancer again and had a 9 yr old boy to raise.
This to me is the height of bad taste.

 

[gramcracker]

Most things PR did were the height of bad taste. No clothes hampers. Per the housekeepers JR was the only one who used the laundry chute. Clothing and other items strewn throughout the house, dropped wherever the mood struck. Feces-stained clothing dropped and walked away from. No toilet paper within easy reach of young children. A 6-year-old who called out for anyone nearby to wipe her butt. The same child with recurrent diaper rash caused by urine in the crotch of her panties. Desitin applied over the unclean skin (I will never believe that PR cleansed JB thoroughly before applying the Desitin.) Another child who whittled and left the debris wherever he chose, without giving it a second thought. A broken window unrepaired for months. (eyeroll) Was this a good neighborhood in Boulder, or Tobacco Road?

Slipshod and slovenly. Most assuredly the height of bad taste.

 

[BOESP]

Where does hyperbole fit in?

It fits with pedantic rhetoric. :facepalm:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Most things PR did were the height of bad taste. No clothes hampers. Per the housekeepers JR was the only one who used the laundry chute. Clothing and other items strewn throughout the house, dropped wherever the mood struck. Feces-stained clothing dropped and walked away from. No toilet paper within easy reach of young children. A 6-year-old who called out for anyone nearby to wipe her butt. The same child with recurrent diaper rash caused by urine in the crotch of her panties. Desitin applied over the unclean skin (I will never believe that PR cleansed JB thoroughly before applying the Desitin.) Another child who whittled and left the debris wherever he chose, without giving it a second thought. A broken window unrepaired for months. (eyeroll) Was this a good neighborhood in Boulder, or Tobacco Road?

Slipshod and slovenly. Most assuredly the height of bad taste.

Wow she was a bad housekeeper.. by all means lock her up.

This is someone who was never charged. Never found one shred of DNA linking her to this crime. No evidence that points to her. Just a bunch of hate and bias. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

All that stuff about the bathroom stuff is from where? A book? Someone's interview in the enquirer that they got paid for? A grumpy housekeeper?

All of it does not mean she hurt or killed this child. It is the height of ridiculousness. In any other case this would not be part of the conversation, But here people are allowed to smear someone who was never convicted. Never stood trial, Never was charged.

 

[THE BUNK]

Did Patsy Ramsey ever express in public any guilt over JonBenet's death? Any blame for putting her into beauty pageants? Any guilt into not securing the house more?

 

[THE BUNK]

Something that really gets to me, in regard to Patsy is how she was known for her volunteer work and philanthropy when she immersed herself in Boulder, as a resident. Organizing, fund raising, making things happen in her children's schools, their community and at church. She never once used that same dogged determination to do any such legitimate enterprise for her beloved, murdered little girl.

Great point!

Especially since the killer is someone who could always strike again at their family. After all, why would they have any reason to believe the killer was satisfied after killing Jonbenet? Maybe this guy wants to inflict damage and kill Burke and the rest of the family? The danger has not ended with JohnBenet's death. They need to work with the police and feds to find this guy to remove this threat.

Yet the Ramsey's never seemed to act like there was this massive threat against them. They acted like they knew that there would not be another act done against them.

It's almost like they knew there would not be another murder after Jonbenet's death.

 

[Chewy]

Boy, is that a twisted way of interpreting things. That is NOT at ALL what was meant in regard to Patsy's pageant days. It was Patsy's ability to be calm under tremendous pressure, deliver her lines, and have everyone eating out of her hands. Give me a break.

Uhuh. Hyperbole.

Most all pageant girls have been trained to PERFORM this way, it doesn't mean they do this in their daily life. I assume then that Honey Boo Boo has a dead child's body in her basement that she's just waiting to be discovered. :floorlaugh::facepalm:

 

[Chewy]

Most things PR did were the height of bad taste. No clothes hampers. Per the housekeepers JR was the only one who used the laundry chute. Clothing and other items strewn throughout the house, dropped wherever the mood struck. Feces-stained clothing dropped and walked away from. No toilet paper within easy reach of young children. A 6-year-old who called out for anyone nearby to wipe her butt. The same child with recurrent diaper rash caused by urine in the crotch of her panties. Desitin applied over the unclean skin (I will never believe that PR cleansed JB thoroughly before applying the Desitin.) Another child who whittled and left the debris wherever he chose, without giving it a second thought. A broken window unrepaired for months. (eyeroll) Was this a good neighborhood in Boulder, or Tobacco Road?

Slipshod and slovenly. Most assuredly the height of bad taste.

[modsnip] I guess I also have stacks of dead children in my basement since I too have committed the capital crime of having no clothes hampers.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[modsnip] a theory you use DETAILS FROM THE CRIME scene instead of cynical comments about her housekeeping skills.

 

[Chewy]

How about we scrutinize the FACTS, EVIDENCE and DETAILS FROM THE CRIME SCENE

instead of gossip and speculation. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why the evil connected and manipulative Ramseys, who KNEW, they just KNEW that they'd have the DA in their pocket when they created this elaborate crime scene.....somehow didn't have the DA in their pocket enough to just rule a "fall in the bathtub" an "accident" even if the injury was sketchy.

 

[CherCher]

The Grand Jury voted to indict Ms. Patsy on the evidence presented. Remember?

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the evidence presented didn't even include the testimony of any BPD officers who believed the Rs had guilty knowledge in the death of their daughter.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the evidence presented didn't even include the testimony of any BPD officers who believed the Rs had guilty knowledge in the death of their daughter.

However, That was before the DNA that was found in two places matching the same person.

With that information, I am betting that the GJ would have had a different verdict.

 

[CherCher]

Jesus Christ, I guess I also have stacks of dead children in my basement since I too have committed the capital crime of having no clothes hampers.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

How about if you present a theory you use DETAILS FROM THE CRIME scene instead of cynical comments about her housekeeping skills.

Do you also have feces stained clothing laying all over the place? As well as a box of chocolates with feces smeared in them?

 

[BOESP]

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the evidence presented didn't even include the testimony of any BPD officers who believed the Rs had guilty knowledge in the death of their daughter.

Here's an excerpt from http://www.acandyrose.com/s-ramsey-grand-jury.htm : (there is a lot of info at this link concerning the Grand Jury process in this case)


Some of the people known to have testified before the Ramsey grand jury:

Mike Archuleta -- Private pilot who was scheduled to fly the Ramseys to their Michigan vacation home the day after Christmas 1996.

Linda Arndt -- Now-retired Boulder Police detective, the first investigator on the scene.

Dr. Francesco Beuf -- JonBenet's pediatrician.

Debbie Chavez -- Colorado Bureau of Investigation forensics expert.

John Douglas -- Former FBI criminal profiler hired by the Ramseys.

Michael Everett -- Among the first Boulder Police detectives assigned to the case.

John and Barbara Fernie -- Friends of the Ramseys who were summoned to the home after JonBenet was discovered missing.

Richard French -- One of the first Boulder patrol officers on the scene. He searched the house shortly after arriving, without locating JonBenet's body.

Ron Gosage -- Boulder Police detective working the case from its first days.

Pam Griffin -- Ramsey family friend and seamstress who assisted with JonBenet's beauty pageant costumes.

Jane Harmer -- Boulder Police detective involved in the case from the beginning.

George Herrera -- CBI fingerprints expert.

Linda Hoffmann-Pugh -- Ramseys' housekeeper at the time of JonBenet's death.

The Rev. Rol Hoverstock -- Minister from the Ramseys' church, summoned to the home in the first hours of JonBenet's disappearance.

Larry Mason -- Boulder Police sergeant removed from the case in its second week when he was wrongly accused of leaking information to the press.

Dr. John Meyer -- Boulder County coroner; he performed the autopsy on JonBenet.

Fred Patterson -- Boulder Police detective, among the first on the scene.

Carol Piirto -- Burke Ramsey's third-grade teacher.

Merv Pugh -- The husband of Linda Hoffmann-Pugh; he had done some work at the home a month before the murder.

Burke Ramsey -- JonBenet's brother, now 12, the only person other than her parents known to be in the house at the time she disappeared.

Lou Smit -- Retired Colorado Springs homicide detective who worked on the case for the district attorney's office.

Tom Trujillo -- A Boulder Police detective on the case since its earliest days.

Chet Ubowski -- Colorado Bureau of Investigation handwriting analyst who concluded that Patsy Ramsey may have written the ransom note linked to JonBenet's murder.

Barry Weiss -- Among the first Boulder patrol officers at the Ramsey home.

Fleet and Priscilla White -- Ramsey friends called to the house the morning of JonBenet's disappearance. Fleet was in the basement with John Ramsey when the child's body was found.

Tom Wickman -- The Boulder police detective sergeant who has supervised the investigation since the early days.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Do you also have feces stained clothing laying all over the place? As well as a box of chocolates with feces smeared in them?

I would love to see proof of this. It smacks of exaggeration and gossip. I don't believe it. Not without proof.

 

[BOESP]

However, That was before the DNA that was found in two places matching the same person.

With that information, I am betting that the GJ would have had a different verdict.

I'm betting it wouldn't have made any difference.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm betting it wouldn't have made any difference.

Sure it would have. DNA trumps all. Especially when you have it in two places that match the same profile. It says.. SOMEONE was here. And SOMEONE touched her and it was not an R.

IT says it all really.

 

[BOESP]

I would love to see proof of this. It smacks of exaggeration and gossip. I don't believe it. Not without proof.

I don't think the BPD and DA's office will let you have access to the case files but good luck with that.