Patsys Clothes?

[UKGuy]

Yes, Children's Services did "investigate".

Nehemiah,

Thanks for the information, I guess he denied any innapropriate behaviour tok place?



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[lannie]

Yes, Children's Services did "investigate".

& when asked he took a game board & put it over his head, he told them he had secerts he could not tell .

 

[IrishMist]

& when asked he took a game board & put it over his head, he told them he had secerts he could not tell .

I think this sounds like urban legend. Only because a Child's Services counsellor would not let this comment slide without further exploration.

Is there somewhere I can read about this for myself?

 

[Jayelles]

I think this sounds like urban legend. Only because a Child's Services counsellor would not let this comment slide without further exploration.

Is there somewhere I can read about this for myself?

PMPT paperback p 137

As they played games, Bernhard asked Burke how they all got along in the family. Delicately she touched on the tpics of sexual abuse and child abuse. He didn't respond as a molested chld might. When they talked about secrets, Burke said pointedly that if you told someone a secret, it was no longer a secret. He didn't seem to be holding anything back and appeared to be dealing with theabsence of his sister in the expected way. There were several breaks during the two-hour interview and the detectives took the opportunity to suggest additional topics to the psychologist.

The results were inconclusive. Burke gave the police little informtion about the night of JonBenet's death that they did not already have. And when they screened the videotape, it was hard to tell if Burke might be hiding anything.

 

[IrishMist]

PMPT paperback p 137

Thanks, Jayelles, that sounds a little closer to what I remembered.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

about this case..so may accusations...people who were on the periphery of the case...saying this happened or this was said or done..and people ..well some people..just want to accept those claims as true without doing any fact checking...It's rather sad.

 

[IrishMist]

about this case..so may accusations...people who were on the periphery of the case...saying this happened or this was said or done..and people ..well some people..just want to accept those claims as true without doing any fact checking...It's rather sad.

Does happen alot in this case. Seems there are so many details, and it happened so long ago, sometimes it's hard to keep it all straight. I do agree that often something is repeated so many times that it becomes "fact." This happened a lot right after the JMK thing. Frustrated the heck out of me!

 

[BBB167893]

How about if Patsy was dressed, ready to leave the house, and deposit JonBenet's body outdoors? JonBenet's death would still need some staging to deflect attention.

You beat me to it!

I wonder if her makeup was 'fresh' b/c she'd been crying over JB's death,and she had to reapply it?

I wouldn't doubt it, especially since it was pristine after supposedly panicking upon finding the note...

He knows what he was told and heard,that's it.

Yeah someday maybe they might match the degraded dna with someone. I can't understand how a killer can only leave degraded dna....you'd think with dna being small he'd shed at least a whole dna somewhere.

Karr didn't even know the details of how JonBenet was murdered Tracey had to keep prompting Karr in the emails.

Karr claimed he picked JonBenet up from school on Christmas eve.

A fraud is a fraud.

Is anyone else insulted by the Ramseys acting like victims? Upsets me greatly.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

Patsy may never have had the opportunity to fling herself upon JonBenet. JonBenet's corpse was downstairs in the basement and Patsy was upstairs.

It doesn't matter if Patsy was upstairs, downstairs or on the roof , she knew that JonBenet's body was going to have to be removed from the basement sooner or later....it couldn't stay there in the basement forever, and when it was, she had planned to fling herself on the body. IMO

 

[Ames]

It sure sounds rehearsed.
I believe if PR hadn't already known JB was dead,she would have been clinging to her body,to the point of someone having to pry her off.I also think she and JR both would have accompanied her body to the morgue,and if it was true that she 'couldn't walk' I beleive she would have had someone put her in a wheelchair and push her over there! Perhaps she would have had her sisters and other family or friends come along with her.Her behavior points twds guilt,not innocence.No script needed.Red flags were definately raised.And that was just the beginning.

Oh my gosh, I totally agree with you. I couldn't believe that they actually left the house with JB's body still inside! If that was my child, they would for certain, have had to pry me away from her. I had never even thought about that before...but, that just adds another item to my list of why I think that the Ramsey's did it (I believe that Patsy did it, with John helping to stage the scene).

 

[graybar hotel]

So, if Patsy never had the same outfit on two days in a row and was very careful how she dressed, we can assume she has been in misery wearing the same clothing for the last ten years.

I know from personal experience with my mother wearing clothes twice in a row or in front of the same group twice would be eternal hell. It could be considered a kind of karma for Patsy to have to live with and think about when she was wearing anything for the second day.

:laugh: I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.

 

[Show Me]

Oh my gosh, I totally agree with you. I couldn't believe that they actually left the house with JB's body still inside! If that was my child, they would for certain, have had to pry me away from her. I had never even thought about that before...but, that just adds another item to my list of why I think that the Ramsey's did it (I believe that Patsy did it, with John helping to stage the scene).

And with a monitoring kidnapping team in town...John had no problems with Burke leaving the house, where the cops were, and going off to the Whites.
No way I'd leave my other child out of my sight.

 

[Ames]

And with a monitoring kidnapping team in town...John had no problems with Burke leaving the house, where the cops were, and going off to the Whites.
No way I'd leave my other child out of my sight.

Me either!! There are so many red flags that crop up with the Ramseys....I don't know why they killed their daughter...but, in my heart....I know that they did.

 

[BBB167893]

Not just that. Remember: they were "burglarized" in 2000. John said he left the door unlocked when he left. Would YOU leave the house unsecured if your kid had been killed under your nose?!

 

[Ames]

Not just that. Remember: they were "burglarized" in 2000. John said he left the door unlocked when he left. Would YOU leave the house unsecured if your kid had been killed under your nose?!

Nopey, nope, nope....I sure wouldn't. That's just CRAZY!! He knew there had been NO intruder that killed his baby...thats why he thought nothing about leaving a door unlocked in 2000 (and that was ONLY FOUR years after JB had supposedly been killed by the ghost intruder!!!). It may have been unintentional...but whatever the case may be...the door was STILL unlocked.

 

[Solace]

Not just that. Remember: they were "burglarized" in 2000. John said he left the door unlocked when he left. Would YOU leave the house unsecured if your kid had been killed under your nose?!

Never. I live in the Village in NYC and noticed that someone had been coming into the apartments by the roof. I was always pretty careful of locking my door, but sometimes when I would go to the laundry room, I would leave it open. I never do anymore, Never.

If someone had been killed in my house, my daughter, I would never ever leave it unlocked, just no, never.

But don't you just love the part where John is being asked by the sleezoid Tracey if he killed his daughter and he shakes his head yes while answering. Then catches himself and says I regret, I regret...

Would you ever shake your head yes if someone asked you if you killed your daughter. I know John, we are supposed to believe you are shaking your head yes, because you know the question that is coming, but really you are shaking your head yes, because you either did or helped. My opinion.

 

[Ames]

But don't you just love the part where John is being asked by the sleezoid Tracey if he killed his daughter and he shakes his head yes while answering. Then catches himself and says I regret, I regret...

Whoa...really? I missed that interview!!! I remember in one televised interview, I can't remember who the interviewer was though, John and Patsy were asked that question (Did you kill your daughter?), and they both just sat there for a LONG time without answering, and then FINALLY, Patsy, was looking down, and shaking her head and then she said..."NO". And then John said something else, that I cannot remember. It seems like it had nothing to do with the question though, something like he was tired of answering that question...or something like that. They showed that interview again a few weeks ago, on the "48 Hours" special.

 

[icedtea4me]

That was from The Ramseys vs. The Media doc from August 1998.


-Tea

 

[Ames]

That was from The Ramseys vs. The Media doc from August 1998.


-Tea

Thank you!

 

[Nuisanceposter]

And with a monitoring kidnapping team in town...John had no problems with Burke leaving the house, where the cops were, and going off to the Whites.
No way I'd leave my other child out of my sight.

This is the one thing that really gets me.

If I woke up to find my youngest child gone and a ransom note telling me the kidnapper is watching my house and will kill her (behead her, no less) if I so much as speak to a stray dog, there is absolutely no way possible that any of my other children would be leaving my presence.

They not only called 911 and failed to mention the threat to their daughter's life...they called over four other people, despite the death threats...and then felt so comfortable with the situation that they sent their other child out of the house - not knowing who the kidnapper is, or where he is, or if he'll be able to kidnap Burke as well as JonBenet and kill one or both of them.

There is no way to mistake or misinterpret the threat in the RN. They knew their daughter's life was being threatened. They knew the kidnapper was watching their house. They didn't even request a police escort.

Either they knew there was no threat to JonBenet's and/or Burke's lives, or they don't care if either or both of their children are killed.

And is absolutely no way I would EVER leave my door unlocked after some intruder entered my house while I slept and murdered one of my children. I would have the best security system I could get, probably also a big dog on watch at all times.